British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Good post IheartMBT
Best of luck whatever u decide.
Good to see you're at least questioning BASSA ..... Most don't.
I have looked at their forum and to me it now represents the blind leading the blind.
I would not be surprised if their members eventually end up suing BASSA for the lies and mis-representation.
Best of luck whatever u decide.
Good to see you're at least questioning BASSA ..... Most don't.
I have looked at their forum and to me it now represents the blind leading the blind.
I would not be surprised if their members eventually end up suing BASSA for the lies and mis-representation.
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You will probably be ok on your staff travel as it is not withdrawn for the strikers until the 14th April, although I think it will be ok after that. Using staff travel in the future shall not bother me in the slightest. I think after all the stuff that has happenned in the last week or so, I am past caring.
As for being 'found out' for breaking the strike, yes I shall agree with you on that. No one really knows how we are all going to work together in the future and how is going to say what to who. All I can say is that I look forward to the day when this is all over. This striking, then coming into work again then striking again is not doing the cabin crew community any favours. I am finding it exhausting.
As for giving back staff travel to the strikers, I really hope WW does not. He actually said to us on Saturday the 20th in crc that strikers would definitely lose their staff travel. It is just that no-one seems to believe it yet.
You will probably be ok on your staff travel as it is not withdrawn for the strikers until the 14th April, although I think it will be ok after that. Using staff travel in the future shall not bother me in the slightest. I think after all the stuff that has happenned in the last week or so, I am past caring.
As for being 'found out' for breaking the strike, yes I shall agree with you on that. No one really knows how we are all going to work together in the future and how is going to say what to who. All I can say is that I look forward to the day when this is all over. This striking, then coming into work again then striking again is not doing the cabin crew community any favours. I am finding it exhausting.
As for giving back staff travel to the strikers, I really hope WW does not. He actually said to us on Saturday the 20th in crc that strikers would definitely lose their staff travel. It is just that no-one seems to believe it yet.
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Originally Posted by peterlike
I am using staff travel in a day or two and I must say, I'm not really looking forward to it this time and I don't know if I will ever again. Maybe I will misinterpret a look from a crew member..... who knows.... its unchartered territory.
I wouldn't worry. Remember, the number of people with staff travel in this company outnumbers those who've had it removed by 40,000 or more....
And many of the crew on your flight will probably not have gone on strike, either. They may not have worked, but they may not have gone on strike.
Peter, you seem to suggest that you worked during the strikes. Would I be right in deducing that?
If so, don't worry about telling people you were on leave etc. Most people won't care and those who do will know you worked. Lists have done the rounds; I'm certain of it.
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Care to elaborate on that? What list? Its just that there is an awful lot of us (that broke the strike).
If so, don't worry about telling people you were on leave etc. Most people won't care and those who do will know you worked. Lists have done the rounds; I'm certain of it
Care to elaborate on that? What list? Its just that there is an awful lot of us (that broke the strike).
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Hiya Atlas,
No specific list. I'm just certain that someone who knows someone who knows someone will have mentioned to someone else the names of the people who went on strike.
I don't think anyone who went to work should really consider that they aren't known to have worked by someone who didn't.
No specific list. I'm just certain that someone who knows someone who knows someone will have mentioned to someone else the names of the people who went on strike.
I don't think anyone who went to work should really consider that they aren't known to have worked by someone who didn't.
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See what you mean. Although looking at the people who I saw in CRC this weekend, I recognised a lot of people. Some of whom I was very surprised to see in. The 'list' (if it did exist) would have to be very long!
See what you mean. Although looking at the people who I saw in CRC this weekend, I recognised a lot of people. Some of whom I was very surprised to see in. The 'list' (if it did exist) would have to be very long!
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If anyone has a problem on a flight, whether as staff passenger or crew, don't hesitate to contact the captain who will provide you with as much support as possible on the spot and with immediate effect.
If cabin crew, just call the flight deck and say you're coming up for a chat.
If staff passenger, leave the aircraft last, and see the captain as he opens the flight deck door.
Any sense of abuse or harrassment will be dealt with very seriously, as it has already.
ST will not be returned, nor should it. And WW will be boss of BA/Iberia, so I don't think he'll be allowing the new BA CEO (who will report to him) to return what he has vehemently emphasised will be withdrawn permanently.
If cabin crew, just call the flight deck and say you're coming up for a chat.
If staff passenger, leave the aircraft last, and see the captain as he opens the flight deck door.
Any sense of abuse or harrassment will be dealt with very seriously, as it has already.
ST will not be returned, nor should it. And WW will be boss of BA/Iberia, so I don't think he'll be allowing the new BA CEO (who will report to him) to return what he has vehemently emphasised will be withdrawn permanently.
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Staff Travel
I received my staff travel priviedges after 30+ years of loyal service..it was a thank you.
The strikers have damaged BA more than even Ayling..I'd be disappointed if WW or the next CEO reinstates travel for strikers, I'm hoping they think it's not worth staying and leave the airline to the fantastic team who have kept flying during the strike.
The strikers have damaged BA more than even Ayling..I'd be disappointed if WW or the next CEO reinstates travel for strikers, I'm hoping they think it's not worth staying and leave the airline to the fantastic team who have kept flying during the strike.
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I know this sounds just a little corny, but the last few days (and last weeks strike aswell) I have been very proud to work for BA (well I am anyway but you know what I mean!)
The atmosphere in the CRC has been great (not so much a party but a good spirited camaraderie) It is great to see so many of my crew colleagues who don't support the militancy of our outdated union.
Also, so many crew have expressed their tiredness of BASSA and their militancy. I was actually surprised. Of course there were some who were there just to keep their staff travel but still probably support BASSA very much. But many of us have expressed how we think they have failed us.
IFCE management including BF were there and in all fairness seemed genuine and took time to answer our questions. Also it has made things clearer to me and more angry that UNITE didn't put BAs proposal to us members!
The atmosphere in the CRC has been great (not so much a party but a good spirited camaraderie) It is great to see so many of my crew colleagues who don't support the militancy of our outdated union.
Also, so many crew have expressed their tiredness of BASSA and their militancy. I was actually surprised. Of course there were some who were there just to keep their staff travel but still probably support BASSA very much. But many of us have expressed how we think they have failed us.
IFCE management including BF were there and in all fairness seemed genuine and took time to answer our questions. Also it has made things clearer to me and more angry that UNITE didn't put BAs proposal to us members!
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Have to agree with slidebustle
Was in CRC yesterday, and I have to say I saw many familiar faces. Every single one of whom were the very best CC I can recall working with. Well done to all those that braved the anxiety of bullying and intimidation. After the strike, you are very unlikely to be isolated on any trips! BA over the strike days is a great place to work!
Was in CRC yesterday, and I have to say I saw many familiar faces. Every single one of whom were the very best CC I can recall working with. Well done to all those that braved the anxiety of bullying and intimidation. After the strike, you are very unlikely to be isolated on any trips! BA over the strike days is a great place to work!
Next strike dates
If BASSA ends the dispute now, not only will they have to agree to terms they have previously rejected but will also have to accept the loss of ST for strikers and no leniency for CC facing strike related disciplinary matters. I think this would be unacceptable to BASSA leadership and that their only option will be to call further strikes.
Can someone who has looked at the legal issues say on which dates they can call further strikes and what legal restrictions they face?
Can someone who has looked at the legal issues say on which dates they can call further strikes and what legal restrictions they face?
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If strikers are wearing company-provided and branded items of clothing, could that in fact increase the risk of being dismissed or sanctioned for bringing the company's reputation into disrepute?
With the reports of increased positivity and "operational efficiency" within the context of the industrial action, it could be an interesting study in industrial relations in the future (i.e. if the majority of an "awkward element" of an organisation are more disposed to strike along with other members, is the actual effect lesser than if it was a general uniform strike. The reports from operational crew during strike days are very interesting and it may have wider implications.
With the reports of increased positivity and "operational efficiency" within the context of the industrial action, it could be an interesting study in industrial relations in the future (i.e. if the majority of an "awkward element" of an organisation are more disposed to strike along with other members, is the actual effect lesser than if it was a general uniform strike. The reports from operational crew during strike days are very interesting and it may have wider implications.
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If I were Mr Walsh I would look at putting a slightly modified offer on the table and get this thing wrapped up. Even if the contingency plan is work there are still 24% of people not flying and another not getting the service they paid for. Customers are sucking it up for the moment (Dunkirk spirit) but that won't last long if there are another round of strikes. Would you book a ticket for mid April?
It looks like BASSA needs to save face now and find a way out of this, its that or go down fighting (which means more casualties on both sides)
Walsh can play the bigger man on the pretext that this is unfair to the passengers. Maybe Gordon Brown will demand it (Publicly!). Damn if I was leader I would be knocking their heads together and showing whos boss, Privatised or not, BA flies the flag - nuff said! It would be good for BA and even better for the customers (remember them - the ones that REALLY pay our wages). Whatever the outcome I think BASSA will be finished after this. Willie, do you really need to kick a man while he's down?
It looks like BASSA needs to save face now and find a way out of this, its that or go down fighting (which means more casualties on both sides)
Walsh can play the bigger man on the pretext that this is unfair to the passengers. Maybe Gordon Brown will demand it (Publicly!). Damn if I was leader I would be knocking their heads together and showing whos boss, Privatised or not, BA flies the flag - nuff said! It would be good for BA and even better for the customers (remember them - the ones that REALLY pay our wages). Whatever the outcome I think BASSA will be finished after this. Willie, do you really need to kick a man while he's down?
peterlike ....I understand that WW is planning to "reissue" a previous offer. If Unite wont let the members ballot on it, I believe that they are looking at ways to ballot the members directly.
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New offer?
There are full-page advertisements in today's newspapers with a letter from Willie Walsh thanking BA's "many thousands of our customers".
The penultimate paragraph reads:
Since the offer which was made before the strikes was withdrawn as soon as strike dates were announced, what are the details of the offer to which WW refers in the ad?
The penultimate paragraph reads:
Unite has failed to ground British Airways. We have put a fair and sensible offer to the union, and I hope it will now allow its members to vote on it.
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"Willie, do you really need to kick a man while he's down? "
I think the problem is peterlike that whilst the man is down he's still effing and blinding for all he's worth, so to speak. The person on the ground needs to know when he's beaten and give it a rest. I assume you mean the union.
I think the problem is peterlike that whilst the man is down he's still effing and blinding for all he's worth, so to speak. The person on the ground needs to know when he's beaten and give it a rest. I assume you mean the union.
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Good on you all keeping things going, I (almost) wish I was still there
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Good on you all keeping things going, I (almost) wish I was still there
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The strike cost BA much less than they had planned for due to the large number of volunteers and reporting crew, so there is (apparently) no need to claw back extra savings from crew.
I know that not all cabin crew were directly involved in the strike, but a majority did vote, twice, for strikes. Careless use of a vote like that is going to have consequences, for all cabin crew, unfortunately.
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I was on crew support duties on Sunday as 'bus monitor'. One of the crew busses was followed by a Unite motorbike (before anyone asks, the flag kind of gave it away). After following the bus for some time he then pulled in front and attempted to get the bus to stop by slowing down. The bus monitor onboard called the police who were very interested in this event and set off to try and find the bike. Unfortunately t was not found, but it didn't come back either. From then on a police officer was on duty at the crew bus stop.
The majority will be able to conduct themselves with dignity.... One or two seem incapable. And oddly enough, those are the ones often too scared to show their face. Go figure.