British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Any cabin crew member who suffers should report this to an IFCE manager.
Controversial, moi?
Losing close friends over any issue is a sad fact of life. Families were split, and remain spilt, following the miners dispute. Sad as it is doing what you consider to be the right thing for you is the only way of approaching the issue. If close friends see that as an issue over which they are prepared to bin a long friendship then that is, unfortunately, life.
I would, however, question my definition of a close friend if they made threats to 'never speak to me again' if I didn't behave the way they wanted me to.
I would, however, question my definition of a close friend if they made threats to 'never speak to me again' if I didn't behave the way they wanted me to.
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I like to say thanks to Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson for sending my late (ex engineer, deceased two years ago, retired from BA three years ago) father a letter apologising for their comments regarding 'BA's ill maintained aircraft'.
No wonder they can't organise a legitimate ballot.
No wonder they can't organise a legitimate ballot.
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I have to say that I'm appalled at the attitude of some strikers. How dare they try to intimidate anyone who'd like to go to work? Bullies are born from insecurity and jealousy. Simple as that.
I'm not a striker and I know people would love to have a pop at me if they knew who I was. These people will not intimidate me. They can of course try, but they will find themselves in an office pdq.
I am of the opinion that whichever way you voted and whether or not you participated in a strike does not matter when it comes to working on "normal" days. We have to respect each other and each other's opinions. There are plenty of people in the world that I don't necessarily agree with, but it doesn't mean that I should behave in a threatening manner towards them. I wouldn't even contemplate it.
320 driver, please let your friend know that any form of B&H will be taken seriously. I know it's difficult for your friend when long-term friends make these threats, but one have to ask if such friends are really that good to have around? My friends support me, and don't judge me, same as I do for my friends. I think that's the way it's supposed to be in this world, although I can understand that it may seem like wishful thinking. If your friend wants some extra support or anything at all, please get in touch with me via PM. I'm happy to help if I can.
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I'm not a striker and I know people would love to have a pop at me if they knew who I was. These people will not intimidate me. They can of course try, but they will find themselves in an office pdq.
I am of the opinion that whichever way you voted and whether or not you participated in a strike does not matter when it comes to working on "normal" days. We have to respect each other and each other's opinions. There are plenty of people in the world that I don't necessarily agree with, but it doesn't mean that I should behave in a threatening manner towards them. I wouldn't even contemplate it.
320 driver, please let your friend know that any form of B&H will be taken seriously. I know it's difficult for your friend when long-term friends make these threats, but one have to ask if such friends are really that good to have around? My friends support me, and don't judge me, same as I do for my friends. I think that's the way it's supposed to be in this world, although I can understand that it may seem like wishful thinking. If your friend wants some extra support or anything at all, please get in touch with me via PM. I'm happy to help if I can.
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I would like to thank all the crew who have made what must have been a very hard decision and back BA. I can assure you that customers and the rest of the airline appreciate it.
In my role I get to speak to a lot of passangers and also a lot of the trade, most just do not see where this has come from. Most are actually confused as to why so many have voted yes. Even the senior people that I speak to within the trade just do not get it, most have looked at the initail offer and just said Why !!!
With regards of the Forum question BASSA vs BA
BASSA have shown themselves to be a spent force, this is the reason why they use the personal attacks, bullying, harrasment and childish aruments. Even from BASSA Im yet to hear a valid reasoned proposal (argument) why they feel the need to strike. Nearly all communication is aimed at a very personal, very childish level and never clear on actual facts that can be backed up. The last email posted on this email sums up the difference in the two sides, why would a union wait until after the strike to check with their lawyers on something that has been stated time and time again will happen.
BA on the other hand where possible have stated the facts and not lowered themselves to the he said she said school ground tactics of BASSA. All the way through WW has stated what will happen, when it will happen and what the consequences of any action will be. So far its only BA that have been 100% accurate at predicting the future as thay have stuck to their word.
Im sort of new in BA 11 years, so Im sort of led to believe that usually what would happen is that BA would suggest something.. BASSA would then usually say no and threaten strike action... this would go on for a while and then BA would give in... Im sorry but WW is not that sort of CEO, anyone would easily be able to see that he is here for the long term, has a plan backed 100% by the board and will see this through. Sorry to go back but just thought another thing that would usually happen is that BA would usually not have a clue on how to plan something like they have now and the terminals would usually be in chaos.. Well this time there is a plan, which is working, as WW is aware of what needs doing and gets on and does it.
As he stated in his forum today ST is not for neotiation at all.. I think there were a few people clapping after this. For the radio 5 argument I think waht summed it up is the bit where the CSD was quite for a while as the penny dropped...
Reading through this thread and I may be wide of the mark as Im not involved with the delights of working onboard.. But it seems to me that in a strange way the strike has actually brought the company together... Is this true onboard?
I was flying the other week and as usual went and chatted to the crew and to say Thank You. I was a touch apprehensive of this due to it being the day after the strike announcement but I always say Thanks when the service has been so good. Chatting to a member of crew we exchanged the usual polite conversation and then he asked me where I worked(deep breath and waited to be asked what my preference of coffee was) waterside... He just opened up and explained how he used to be so pro bassa, part of the Galley FM brigade and hated his job. After the court case he decided to do a bit more looking and then resigned from BASSA as he could not belive how he was being represented and misled by texts and emails. Now he loves his job again as he feels he does not have the burden of all the negativity of WW will do this and BF said that. His last sentance to me was 20 odd years ive been here loved the first 10 hated the next how ever many and since Ive stopped listening to the muppet show its like my first day back at work...
Keep up the good work everyone
In my role I get to speak to a lot of passangers and also a lot of the trade, most just do not see where this has come from. Most are actually confused as to why so many have voted yes. Even the senior people that I speak to within the trade just do not get it, most have looked at the initail offer and just said Why !!!
With regards of the Forum question BASSA vs BA
BASSA have shown themselves to be a spent force, this is the reason why they use the personal attacks, bullying, harrasment and childish aruments. Even from BASSA Im yet to hear a valid reasoned proposal (argument) why they feel the need to strike. Nearly all communication is aimed at a very personal, very childish level and never clear on actual facts that can be backed up. The last email posted on this email sums up the difference in the two sides, why would a union wait until after the strike to check with their lawyers on something that has been stated time and time again will happen.
BA on the other hand where possible have stated the facts and not lowered themselves to the he said she said school ground tactics of BASSA. All the way through WW has stated what will happen, when it will happen and what the consequences of any action will be. So far its only BA that have been 100% accurate at predicting the future as thay have stuck to their word.
Im sort of new in BA 11 years, so Im sort of led to believe that usually what would happen is that BA would suggest something.. BASSA would then usually say no and threaten strike action... this would go on for a while and then BA would give in... Im sorry but WW is not that sort of CEO, anyone would easily be able to see that he is here for the long term, has a plan backed 100% by the board and will see this through. Sorry to go back but just thought another thing that would usually happen is that BA would usually not have a clue on how to plan something like they have now and the terminals would usually be in chaos.. Well this time there is a plan, which is working, as WW is aware of what needs doing and gets on and does it.
As he stated in his forum today ST is not for neotiation at all.. I think there were a few people clapping after this. For the radio 5 argument I think waht summed it up is the bit where the CSD was quite for a while as the penny dropped...
Reading through this thread and I may be wide of the mark as Im not involved with the delights of working onboard.. But it seems to me that in a strange way the strike has actually brought the company together... Is this true onboard?
I was flying the other week and as usual went and chatted to the crew and to say Thank You. I was a touch apprehensive of this due to it being the day after the strike announcement but I always say Thanks when the service has been so good. Chatting to a member of crew we exchanged the usual polite conversation and then he asked me where I worked(deep breath and waited to be asked what my preference of coffee was) waterside... He just opened up and explained how he used to be so pro bassa, part of the Galley FM brigade and hated his job. After the court case he decided to do a bit more looking and then resigned from BASSA as he could not belive how he was being represented and misled by texts and emails. Now he loves his job again as he feels he does not have the burden of all the negativity of WW will do this and BF said that. His last sentance to me was 20 odd years ive been here loved the first 10 hated the next how ever many and since Ive stopped listening to the muppet show its like my first day back at work...
Keep up the good work everyone
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Losing close friends over any issue is a sad fact of life. Families were split, and remain spilt, following the miners dispute. Sad as it is doing what you consider to be the right thing for you is the only way of approaching the issue. If close friends see that as an issue over which they are prepared to bin a long friendship then that is, unfortunately, life.
I would, however, question my definition of a close friend if they made threats to 'never speak to me again' if I didn't behave the way they wanted me to.
I would, however, question my definition of a close friend if they made threats to 'never speak to me again' if I didn't behave the way they wanted me to.
You have to look after yourself and also believe that true friends will appreciate your stance. And again resigning from the union gives credence to your stance.
NewYorker - what a great post. Lets hope theres more like this guy - enjoying their job again without that huge monkey on their backs.
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If a friend does not respect you for being yourself and having the guts to stand up for your beliefs, then they are not really a friend. Friends are there to support you. They may not agree with your decision (choice of boyfriends/ girlfriends/ place you holiday/ change of religion, etc) but they respect your decision and support you.
This industrial action is putting uneccesary pressure amongst crew friends to lie about if they worked. I know of seven crew who lied to their friends after going to work as they felt intimidated. These were the same friends who when turned to by someone scared and undecided tried to pressure them to join the picketers.
I think emotion clouds judgment, and many are unfortunately stuck in one huge thunderstorm.
This industrial action is putting uneccesary pressure amongst crew friends to lie about if they worked. I know of seven crew who lied to their friends after going to work as they felt intimidated. These were the same friends who when turned to by someone scared and undecided tried to pressure them to join the picketers.
I think emotion clouds judgment, and many are unfortunately stuck in one huge thunderstorm.
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Can someone from the CC community or those in the know comment on the following rumour doing the rounds on the ramp today.
1. That there are a very high number of BASSA reps who have gone sick before the strike.
2. That 2 BASSA reps doing a CSD course have resigned from BASSA so they can continue their course.
3. That 4 CC from LGW have gone sick and one gone on strike. All 5 are BASSA reps wives.
We find this quite amazing TBH. It can't be true ... can it ?
PS There is no support on the ramp at LHR for striking CC but a lot of admiration for all the guys and girls coming into work.
1. That there are a very high number of BASSA reps who have gone sick before the strike.
2. That 2 BASSA reps doing a CSD course have resigned from BASSA so they can continue their course.
3. That 4 CC from LGW have gone sick and one gone on strike. All 5 are BASSA reps wives.
We find this quite amazing TBH. It can't be true ... can it ?
PS There is no support on the ramp at LHR for striking CC but a lot of admiration for all the guys and girls coming into work.
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..and you would agree with BASSA then that all members including LGW ones should take a pay-cut to re-instate the extra crew member ONLY at LHR?
In fact, why are terms unequal for cc away from LHR? Did BASSA agree this?
In fact, why are terms unequal for cc away from LHR? Did BASSA agree this?
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I agree with BASSA that a pay cut, which to me would be 23 pounds a month would be acceptable. In order to return the second purser to LGW flights which our premium customers demanded 2 years ago. In turn ensuring our pursers earned more than main crew.
And a £23 per month, to protect my transfer agreement.
And a £23 per month to protect my agreements.
23 pound a month, which would be repayable. That’s a round of drinks at the bar. A takeaway on a Saturday night.
It protects my future. The future of my colleagues and I'd give it in a heartbeat.
Carry on. You're on a roll.
And a £23 per month, to protect my transfer agreement.
And a £23 per month to protect my agreements.
23 pound a month, which would be repayable. That’s a round of drinks at the bar. A takeaway on a Saturday night.
It protects my future. The future of my colleagues and I'd give it in a heartbeat.
Carry on. You're on a roll.
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I admire you. You are 1 in an airport.
How many at LGW actually struck do you think, and if it is a tiny percentage of those there, what do you think all your work mates down there are missing that you so clearly see?
How many at LGW actually struck do you think, and if it is a tiny percentage of those there, what do you think all your work mates down there are missing that you so clearly see?
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In truth, Gatwick has more reason in this dispute than any other fleet. We've been columbused. We've given our pound of flesh back in 2006. Now the company wants more. Completely unacceptable. No?
I've lost my staff travel now, and have nothing to lose anymore. Big deal. I've used it twice in 6 years. And I might add that both times were pretty traumatic experiences that I wouldn't hope to repeat again.
I won't give in to a bully. Never will.
See you on the picket line. Saturday. 7 am. Sharp.
I've lost my staff travel now, and have nothing to lose anymore. Big deal. I've used it twice in 6 years. And I might add that both times were pretty traumatic experiences that I wouldn't hope to repeat again.
I won't give in to a bully. Never will.
See you on the picket line. Saturday. 7 am. Sharp.
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Sorry HaHaHa, but DOES the 'company' want more from Gatwick?
As far as I'm aware BASSA are the only ones so far to offer to (yet again) disadvantage Gatwick crew in the hope of bouying up Heathrow Crews' Pay and Terms & Conditions, by offering ALL crew (inc Gatwick) up for a payCUT to reinstate the (clearly unnecessary) extra crew member at Heathrow!!
Obviously this fervently 'democratic' outfit didn't feel it necessary to ask their 10,000 plus members what their thoughts were on taking the TWO paycuts that they have now offered BA without membership support or consultation!
Bearing in mind that Gatwick has been operating VERY successfully (and DEMONSTRABLY well)....well above other airlines' minimums and WITHOUT this extra crewmember for years, AND on minimal wages, why should the clearly poorer-off crew at LGW support the LHR CSD BASSA 'Bosses' in their unwinable and outrageous bid to hijack and ransom our great company British Airways?!....a company whose success, I would highlight, is necessary for all of our pensions and future salaries to be paid.
This is clearly not the sort of inconvenience the Unite Reps have to worry about...their pensions are nothing to with BAs trading capacity, but, like, whateverlike, VillieValsh 'n' all that ****init
As far as I'm aware BASSA are the only ones so far to offer to (yet again) disadvantage Gatwick crew in the hope of bouying up Heathrow Crews' Pay and Terms & Conditions, by offering ALL crew (inc Gatwick) up for a payCUT to reinstate the (clearly unnecessary) extra crew member at Heathrow!!
Obviously this fervently 'democratic' outfit didn't feel it necessary to ask their 10,000 plus members what their thoughts were on taking the TWO paycuts that they have now offered BA without membership support or consultation!
Bearing in mind that Gatwick has been operating VERY successfully (and DEMONSTRABLY well)....well above other airlines' minimums and WITHOUT this extra crewmember for years, AND on minimal wages, why should the clearly poorer-off crew at LGW support the LHR CSD BASSA 'Bosses' in their unwinable and outrageous bid to hijack and ransom our great company British Airways?!....a company whose success, I would highlight, is necessary for all of our pensions and future salaries to be paid.
This is clearly not the sort of inconvenience the Unite Reps have to worry about...their pensions are nothing to with BAs trading capacity, but, like, whateverlike, VillieValsh 'n' all that ****init
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[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Dear oh dear flybymerchant.
Completely in factual. The deal BASSA put forward reinstated the Gatwick purser. As demanded by premium passengers in many surveys. I know you aren't close to the issue, however a considerable amount of work was done back in 2008 as our Pursers at LGW were earning less than main crew. This combined with the dissatisfied premium passengers results demanded a senior was restored to the cabins. This ensured the purser was replaced. Based on solid market research.
The BASSA deal. Which costs me as main crew £23 pounds a month ensures our pursers earn more than me. Our premium pax are satisfied and a career path for me.
Good result wouldn't you say?
The £23 pay cut also ensures my transfer agreement, as well as protection of my flying agreements.
All in all. A win for both passengers and me. I'll do my bit to see this great company through these turbulent times. With pride.
What’s wrong with that.[/FONT]
Completely in factual. The deal BASSA put forward reinstated the Gatwick purser. As demanded by premium passengers in many surveys. I know you aren't close to the issue, however a considerable amount of work was done back in 2008 as our Pursers at LGW were earning less than main crew. This combined with the dissatisfied premium passengers results demanded a senior was restored to the cabins. This ensured the purser was replaced. Based on solid market research.
The BASSA deal. Which costs me as main crew £23 pounds a month ensures our pursers earn more than me. Our premium pax are satisfied and a career path for me.
Good result wouldn't you say?
The £23 pay cut also ensures my transfer agreement, as well as protection of my flying agreements.
All in all. A win for both passengers and me. I'll do my bit to see this great company through these turbulent times. With pride.
What’s wrong with that.[/FONT]
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HAHAHAHAHA
If there were 40 of you at the support centre on strike day, that will be 9 strikers/off sickers max (Fact. See above). The other 31 would have been those lucky souls on days off/leave (who didn't have to make that decision), come out to support strikers, not strikers themselves.
Who's spinning here?
If there were 40 of you at the support centre on strike day, that will be 9 strikers/off sickers max (Fact. See above). The other 31 would have been those lucky souls on days off/leave (who didn't have to make that decision), come out to support strikers, not strikers themselves.
Who's spinning here?
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Let me say that I work closely with the team which sets the harassment and bullying policy and manages the harassment advisors, and I can assure everyone that H&B is taken seriously.