British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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In PR terms Willie is playing a blinder! 
The plane painting is Branson genius..and while he is on a charm offensive, reassuring the public and ensuring the service that was paid for is provided, UNITE are tweeting at Wembley and saying the low turn out is due to weather and it being a Monday..
Seriously - who would you back to win?
The plane painting is Branson genius..and while he is on a charm offensive, reassuring the public and ensuring the service that was paid for is provided, UNITE are tweeting at Wembley and saying the low turn out is due to weather and it being a Monday.. Seriously - who would you back to win?
I saw one of those aircrafts when we arrived at our aircaft yesterday, and boy, did they look good!
Bravo, Wille Walsh.
Vertigowerty,
Never mind, I'll get them specially for you next time I see you in CRC. If you're on a nightstop with me during the strike period, drinks are on me as well, my gesture of thanks to all my crew.
I am BA cabin crew who is proud to cross the picket line.
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Litebulbs..
(hello again)
What have they achieved? They have made it clear that whatever the outcome, that there will be a huge industrial relations problem going forward.
Nothing to be proud of here..
Bottom line -
The pay and conditions of crew is from the good old days when the airline was in profit and there wasn't as much choice for passengers - the advent of budget travel and more routes being granted to "foreign" airlines put BA in direct competition with airlines with Lower costs.
Worldwide recession..everyone is impacted, less people going on holiday, more debt, people losing jobs etc etc
BA has to adapt or they won't survive
The is NO proof that working with one less crew (like LGW like other airlines) is detrimental to passenger service - it simply means everyone is going to have to work a little harder - like everyone else is doing at the moment!
Costs have to be cut - it's not popular but it's business.
BA crews (and I include myself) have to realise that we had it good for years - it's time to get real.
(rant over...)
What have they achieved? They have made it clear that whatever the outcome, that there will be a huge industrial relations problem going forward.
Nothing to be proud of here..
Bottom line -
The pay and conditions of crew is from the good old days when the airline was in profit and there wasn't as much choice for passengers - the advent of budget travel and more routes being granted to "foreign" airlines put BA in direct competition with airlines with Lower costs.
Worldwide recession..everyone is impacted, less people going on holiday, more debt, people losing jobs etc etc
BA has to adapt or they won't survive
The is NO proof that working with one less crew (like LGW like other airlines) is detrimental to passenger service - it simply means everyone is going to have to work a little harder - like everyone else is doing at the moment!
Costs have to be cut - it's not popular but it's business.
BA crews (and I include myself) have to realise that we had it good for years - it's time to get real.
(rant over...
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As for all those crew mulling around in the CRC, the vast majority are misguided groundstaff who see this as an escape from their normal jobs.
One other comment, you had a very loyal part of the company, who believe in the Union, supporting you. How do you think the chants of 'I'd rather sh@g a loader than a scab' went down on the ramp?
I'm at a loss.
And one last thing, how am I misguided?
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Hello, live from Crew Report Centre.
Atmosphere in here today is good. People appear genuinely happy to be here. Even those I've spoken to who have said "I cannot afford to take time off" have ended by saying "but I'd come in anyway".
There are as many crew walking about as there would be on a normal day at this time. And there are certainly as many CSDs. No shortage of black and silver ties.
DOMs are cool, calm and collected, as are Ops.
A couple of flights that were meant to go have been cancelled but I understand that's because of particularly poor loads and not because of a lack of crew. Infact, a friend of mine on one of the pulled flights said "the two ICCs have positioned home, four of us put on 2hr, 4 on QRS and another two just put on another flight". Do the maths - that's a full Triple Seven....
Further reports to follow. No rhetoric, just honest facts from the report centre.
But as things appear to me from here, it looks like a normal day at the office (but people seem happier, oddly enough).
Atmosphere in here today is good. People appear genuinely happy to be here. Even those I've spoken to who have said "I cannot afford to take time off" have ended by saying "but I'd come in anyway".
There are as many crew walking about as there would be on a normal day at this time. And there are certainly as many CSDs. No shortage of black and silver ties.
DOMs are cool, calm and collected, as are Ops.
A couple of flights that were meant to go have been cancelled but I understand that's because of particularly poor loads and not because of a lack of crew. Infact, a friend of mine on one of the pulled flights said "the two ICCs have positioned home, four of us put on 2hr, 4 on QRS and another two just put on another flight". Do the maths - that's a full Triple Seven....
Further reports to follow. No rhetoric, just honest facts from the report centre.
But as things appear to me from here, it looks like a normal day at the office (but people seem happier, oddly enough).
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May 24th, 2010 by admin
Day Eight
Our dispute remains unresolved, so Bedfont came slowly to life once more, this time with a later 8am start.
We faced different logistical problems, last time our priority was keeping people warm, this time the exact opposite. The seasons have changed but our resolve hasn’t.
It was absolutely scorching hot. Our facilities have been a little revamped, so the marquee is now able to serve hot and cold drinks and offer some welcome shade.
There was a different atmosphere this time around, we all felt it, not as frenetic and intense as our last time, more determined and a quiet resolve.
This time we have made a decision not to be drawn into a statistical war of words over percentages of percentages of percentages with the BA spin machine. It is simply counter productive.
The numbers of crew striking or reporting, for better or for worse, are what they are and nothing will change that, so we intend to leave that area alone.
We were pleased with the attendance on day one though numbers were probably a little down on the attendances of the final days of the last strike dates, this will either indicate that people recognise that this is going to be a long haul, so will pace themselves accordingly and spread their attendance or, some crew still haven’t woken up to what is staring them in the face and gone to work, nothing will change that now, so what will be, will be.
PLEASE READ THIS AND PASS IT ON
Mr Walsh has indicated his team is to “busy” to attend any peace talks with our General Secretaries until Thursday.
His strategy for this is being widely reported, as “testing your resolve”, if people are willing to break the strike, he knows he doesn’t have to move his position one inch towards a settlement, he can simply bide his time and impose, safe in the knowledge that people are just not interested. If the strike is solid he will need to compromise and reach a fair settlement. So your future remains in your hands.
Simple as that, what happens next is up to every single one of you due to report tomorrow and the days that follow.
*Unite General secretary Tony Woodley, will be attending Bedfont on Wednesday afternoon, please come along and meet him. This is your opportunity to talk with him and answer any questions that you may have on his negotiations with Mr Walsh.
Now where’s that suncream!
Day Eight
Our dispute remains unresolved, so Bedfont came slowly to life once more, this time with a later 8am start.
We faced different logistical problems, last time our priority was keeping people warm, this time the exact opposite. The seasons have changed but our resolve hasn’t.
It was absolutely scorching hot. Our facilities have been a little revamped, so the marquee is now able to serve hot and cold drinks and offer some welcome shade.
There was a different atmosphere this time around, we all felt it, not as frenetic and intense as our last time, more determined and a quiet resolve.
This time we have made a decision not to be drawn into a statistical war of words over percentages of percentages of percentages with the BA spin machine. It is simply counter productive.
The numbers of crew striking or reporting, for better or for worse, are what they are and nothing will change that, so we intend to leave that area alone.
We were pleased with the attendance on day one though numbers were probably a little down on the attendances of the final days of the last strike dates, this will either indicate that people recognise that this is going to be a long haul, so will pace themselves accordingly and spread their attendance or, some crew still haven’t woken up to what is staring them in the face and gone to work, nothing will change that now, so what will be, will be.
PLEASE READ THIS AND PASS IT ON
Mr Walsh has indicated his team is to “busy” to attend any peace talks with our General Secretaries until Thursday.
His strategy for this is being widely reported, as “testing your resolve”, if people are willing to break the strike, he knows he doesn’t have to move his position one inch towards a settlement, he can simply bide his time and impose, safe in the knowledge that people are just not interested. If the strike is solid he will need to compromise and reach a fair settlement. So your future remains in your hands.
Simple as that, what happens next is up to every single one of you due to report tomorrow and the days that follow.
*Unite General secretary Tony Woodley, will be attending Bedfont on Wednesday afternoon, please come along and meet him. This is your opportunity to talk with him and answer any questions that you may have on his negotiations with Mr Walsh.
Now where’s that suncream!
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Desperate is really not the correct word to describe Mr. Walsh. He has the full backing of the city, and I am quite sure there is a contingency plan that gets ramped up in its intensity depending on how much money is spent on this issue. At no point will desperation feature for anyone other than BASSA and its members.
Desperate is really not the correct word to describe Mr. Walsh. He has the full backing of the city, and I am quite sure there is a contingency plan that gets ramped up in its intensity depending on how much money is spent on this issue. At no point will desperation feature for anyone other than BASSA and its members.
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Originally Posted by Juan Odeboyse
As for all those crew mulling around in the CRC, the vast majority are misguided groundstaff who see this as an escape from their normal jobs
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Lightbulbs its not in my opinion, a punishment for striking crew to loose staff travel.If the airline is faced with the potential of thousands of crew striking and potentially bring the airline to a halt...it has to take radical action to minimise the volumes of crew participating in industrial action.So...a controversial threat had to be made and acted on accordingly.The possibility of the removal of staff travel did influence many "Unsure" union members to continue to work..Clearly those union members who felt ethically obligated to follow their unions call...will /would strike regardless of the threats.
I passionately disagree with the unions position...they appear to be holding the company and all of its employees from all departments to ransom. Consequently, due to being able to attend union meetings as well as the two earlier court cases found it so easy to resighn my membership.
If I was naive enough to believe in the unions spin...then, as I utilise staff travel frequently the possibility of losing it would have been a big enough enticement for me to to continue to report for duty.,i would have thus "reluctantly" been in surpport of the airline in this context.
Imagine if I am on standy to fly to the Carribean for example...often oversubscibed with standby staff...and with a seniority of 20 years ,and, having come in to work as my roster requires me to do so during industrial action...I am faced with the prospect of a crew member, senior to me who striked costing the airline at least 7 million poiunds a day in lost revenue....getting on the flight before me, and potentially leaving me behind at Gatwick...is that fair or just.....NO.
You may argue that they are following their unions call and agree with their ideological stance to take pragmactic action rather than to negotiate ....well the airline has a right to do the best it can to protect its business
.I know of an individaul friend of mine who worked in accounts.. she returned late back from her holiday as she could not get a flight on standby...as her role was quite complex, BA had to employ three agency staff to carry out her normal role her small deparmtent became momentarily chaotic without her!.She lost acess to staff travel for four years.She did not protest or contest she accepted that her lack of forward planning was costly for the airline.
Many of my pro strike collegues argue that staff travel was reinstated to ground staff several years ago when they were on strike.....the company was not haemorraging money to the extent that it is now!
If staff travel were to be reinstated it would encourage the union and its activists to continue to attempt to bring the airlines to its knees with its annual threat of industrial action.This cannot go on any more surely....
As has been stated by so many on this thread, staff travel is not contractual, its an earned perk that the airline has a right to take away ...that is also just the way is.
What I see as punishment is the fact that many employees in BA have genuine fears regarding the future exhistance of the airline and thus their ability to maintain a longterm standard of living for themselves and or families....with this pointless strike.
Not a single department has come out in surpport for cabin crew...we usually get echoes of sympathy from baggage handlers...ground staff etc.
Many including my cousin (Ground staff ) see this as total commercial suicide
So no I do not see it as punishment.Indeed the offer to reinstate it is there....just not in its former position.
Some of the earlier suggestions are reasonable ie if seniority were to be given back then the non strikers who worked should be given an automatic higher on load priority.
These are just my own personal opinions.
PS Tiramsu good on you for positively inspiring your crew.
PPSEddy and Lightbulbs thanks for your illustrating your views regarding the unions perspective. I may not agree with your stance on most issues but yourself and lightbulbs do add vigour to the debate here.
Bridchen I am totally with you as I keep being rostered as days off/part time or down route also over the strikes. I operated lastTuesday when the strike was momentarily called off.
A huge thank you to all crew ,volunteer cabin crew backroom staff surpport, etc for enabling BA to reach all of its national and international destinations. and to be able to operate its reduced schedule seemlessly.You all have my utmost surpport.
I look forward to reporting to work on Monday.
I passionately disagree with the unions position...they appear to be holding the company and all of its employees from all departments to ransom. Consequently, due to being able to attend union meetings as well as the two earlier court cases found it so easy to resighn my membership.
If I was naive enough to believe in the unions spin...then, as I utilise staff travel frequently the possibility of losing it would have been a big enough enticement for me to to continue to report for duty.,i would have thus "reluctantly" been in surpport of the airline in this context.
Imagine if I am on standy to fly to the Carribean for example...often oversubscibed with standby staff...and with a seniority of 20 years ,and, having come in to work as my roster requires me to do so during industrial action...I am faced with the prospect of a crew member, senior to me who striked costing the airline at least 7 million poiunds a day in lost revenue....getting on the flight before me, and potentially leaving me behind at Gatwick...is that fair or just.....NO.
You may argue that they are following their unions call and agree with their ideological stance to take pragmactic action rather than to negotiate ....well the airline has a right to do the best it can to protect its business
.I know of an individaul friend of mine who worked in accounts.. she returned late back from her holiday as she could not get a flight on standby...as her role was quite complex, BA had to employ three agency staff to carry out her normal role her small deparmtent became momentarily chaotic without her!.She lost acess to staff travel for four years.She did not protest or contest she accepted that her lack of forward planning was costly for the airline.
Many of my pro strike collegues argue that staff travel was reinstated to ground staff several years ago when they were on strike.....the company was not haemorraging money to the extent that it is now!
If staff travel were to be reinstated it would encourage the union and its activists to continue to attempt to bring the airlines to its knees with its annual threat of industrial action.This cannot go on any more surely....
As has been stated by so many on this thread, staff travel is not contractual, its an earned perk that the airline has a right to take away ...that is also just the way is.
What I see as punishment is the fact that many employees in BA have genuine fears regarding the future exhistance of the airline and thus their ability to maintain a longterm standard of living for themselves and or families....with this pointless strike.
Not a single department has come out in surpport for cabin crew...we usually get echoes of sympathy from baggage handlers...ground staff etc.
Many including my cousin (Ground staff ) see this as total commercial suicide
So no I do not see it as punishment.Indeed the offer to reinstate it is there....just not in its former position.
Some of the earlier suggestions are reasonable ie if seniority were to be given back then the non strikers who worked should be given an automatic higher on load priority.
These are just my own personal opinions.
PS Tiramsu good on you for positively inspiring your crew.
PPSEddy and Lightbulbs thanks for your illustrating your views regarding the unions perspective. I may not agree with your stance on most issues but yourself and lightbulbs do add vigour to the debate here.
Bridchen I am totally with you as I keep being rostered as days off/part time or down route also over the strikes. I operated lastTuesday when the strike was momentarily called off.
A huge thank you to all crew ,volunteer cabin crew backroom staff surpport, etc for enabling BA to reach all of its national and international destinations. and to be able to operate its reduced schedule seemlessly.You all have my utmost surpport.
I look forward to reporting to work on Monday.
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Skylight, as someone who has gone in to work every time I've been rostered to do so during the strike, and is in work right now, but who can also see Bassa's side of things (even though I don't often agree with the way in which the strikers seem to want to express their opinions), it appears as though I've been 'discussed' on another forum and criticised for my slightly-more-right-than-neutral view on this whole thing.
I've been slagged off for defending Lizanne Malone, from what I hear. Amazing. They slag you off even when you agree with them or try to justify their actions!
Skylight, I think you may have misunderstood exactly where I stand...
I've been slagged off for defending Lizanne Malone, from what I hear. Amazing. They slag you off even when you agree with them or try to justify their actions!
Skylight, I think you may have misunderstood exactly where I stand...
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Eddy not at all.I had a feeling you may have thought that. as i pressed the submit button,I simply did not want my post to be biblical in length!!!
The end of my post is to you too, as you are a crew member who has been in attendance according to your roster on strike days ...so again I humbly thank you!!!
I just appreciate you putting the unions perspective forward on this forum to add spice to the discussion..No offence intended .
The end of my post is to you too, as you are a crew member who has been in attendance according to your roster on strike days ...so again I humbly thank you!!!
I just appreciate you putting the unions perspective forward on this forum to add spice to the discussion..No offence intended .
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I operated a flight from LHR yesterday. All rostered crew turned up and VCC were not needed. It was one of the better paying trips so I don't know if that was the sole reason or because the strike is losing support. CRC was not as busy as in March but one of the managers said it's because more flights are departing and crew not needed to stay there longer than necessary.
I was a bit of supportive in December last year, and voted yes, but I lost most of this passion when I was accused, downroute, by one of BASSA's senior representatives of having voted no and that I wouldn't be striking because my other half is an SFO in BA. This representative also suggested that I should cancel my membership with them because traitors in their union were not welcome and they would be better off without them. It's not the first time either BASSA have uttered and insinuated these sort of comments. That was it for me. I have worked through this strike (never removed my name badge either) and not regretted a moment for doing so. Maybe I'm in minority but I do not feel guilty for working during a strike which I don't believe in.
To all crew, come into work. It's a really good atmosphere here, both in the CRC, on the aircraft and downroute. Crew are smiling at you in the CRC and yesterday, six of us (we didn't know each other) had a cup of coffee in the Coffee Shop. Crew, including flight crew, are socialising downroute and throwing good old room parties again. If you're on WW fleet, you probably know it's not that common nowadays. I really hate to say this but coming into work when none of these militants are there is a good feeling. Nobody is scared of saying anything "inappropriate" that would cause a riot or being dragged into a discussion with any of the BASSA militant members and having to justify your actions. If you come into work during the strike, you'll see that the wheat has been separated from the chaff and it's a great feeling!
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I was a bit of supportive in December last year, and voted yes, but I lost most of this passion when I was accused, downroute, by one of BASSA's senior representatives of having voted no and that I wouldn't be striking because my other half is an SFO in BA. This representative also suggested that I should cancel my membership with them because traitors in their union were not welcome and they would be better off without them. It's not the first time either BASSA have uttered and insinuated these sort of comments. That was it for me. I have worked through this strike (never removed my name badge either) and not regretted a moment for doing so. Maybe I'm in minority but I do not feel guilty for working during a strike which I don't believe in.
To all crew, come into work. It's a really good atmosphere here, both in the CRC, on the aircraft and downroute. Crew are smiling at you in the CRC and yesterday, six of us (we didn't know each other) had a cup of coffee in the Coffee Shop. Crew, including flight crew, are socialising downroute and throwing good old room parties again. If you're on WW fleet, you probably know it's not that common nowadays. I really hate to say this but coming into work when none of these militants are there is a good feeling. Nobody is scared of saying anything "inappropriate" that would cause a riot or being dragged into a discussion with any of the BASSA militant members and having to justify your actions. If you come into work during the strike, you'll see that the wheat has been separated from the chaff and it's a great feeling!
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Well said 'Maddie Baddie' I couldn't agree with you more... as ex BA WW crew I totally know what you're saying.. and bring back the room parties.. they were great! 
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DTM,the structural changes that you refer to would appear NOT to be the issue.I thought TW offered to call off the strike if WW would re-instate the DOJ aspect of ST.WW declined that offer so BA still has a strike on its hands.According to Richard Branson,J customers are flocking to Virgin in their droves.According to the media hundreds of BA flights are cancelled again today.BA will lose millions today and I guess tomorrow etc etc.This is about one mans ego,no more.Customers are now the victims in this crusade which is all about appeasing the non-strikers and the CEO.Crazy!!
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Just back from CRC having turned up for my VCC trip this morning. Neither of us as VCCs were required as eight of the rostered crew turned up as normal, including the CSD and one Purser. Everyone was very upbeat and raring to go.
I stuck around for a couple of hours just in case they got short on another trip, but by the time I left (10:45), only 2 VCCs had been used on the TLV. Every other trip had gone out crewed entirely by normal cabin crew.
Looks like the 65% figure of crew turning up yesterday is on the increase today.
BA are saying they have a very robust operation but are looking at re-instating additional services once they are confident they can continue to run them consistently throughout the rest of the strike period. I expect they will announce a larger schedule for the next 5 days of strike action when the schedule is published tomorrow.
I stuck around for a couple of hours just in case they got short on another trip, but by the time I left (10:45), only 2 VCCs had been used on the TLV. Every other trip had gone out crewed entirely by normal cabin crew.
Looks like the 65% figure of crew turning up yesterday is on the increase today.
BA are saying they have a very robust operation but are looking at re-instating additional services once they are confident they can continue to run them consistently throughout the rest of the strike period. I expect they will announce a larger schedule for the next 5 days of strike action when the schedule is published tomorrow.
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I was at LGW yesterday, and on a whim I went looking for the Picket Line, just to have a look, sort of like looking at animals in a zoo.
Surprise, surprise, I couldn't find the picket line anywhere.. It looks like this is a LHR dispute only now, even BASSA have given up on LGW.
The other LGW story from yesterday is a "LGW Crew Member" giving an interview on Heart Breakfast news. All very general with no facts, an LHR plant is my suspicion, trying, very pathetically, to drum up any support down in West Sussex.
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Surprise, surprise, I couldn't find the picket line anywhere.. It looks like this is a LHR dispute only now, even BASSA have given up on LGW.
The other LGW story from yesterday is a "LGW Crew Member" giving an interview on Heart Breakfast news. All very general with no facts, an LHR plant is my suspicion, trying, very pathetically, to drum up any support down in West Sussex.
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Miamimike,
Do you really believe that, have you really seen so little of the bigger picture that you think Willie would be allowed by the board and shareholders to go on an unsupported one man mission?
Please, before you assume that running a large company is about uncontrolled egos think about how the purse strings are controlled.
Unless the people who actually own BA felt that this was the correct course of action and Willie was representing their views and intentions he would be reigned in or removed.
That has clearly not happened or looks likely to happen.
The crusade is not to appease non strikers but to put in place a business structure fit for draw back those j customers without the future threat of more strike action hanging over their bookings.
Being the leader of a company like BA in the current climate is not about being popular to the employees, it is ideal but not necessary. What is is being popular with the city and shareholders. It seems Willie and his plan clearly are.
Jazzy
Do you really believe that, have you really seen so little of the bigger picture that you think Willie would be allowed by the board and shareholders to go on an unsupported one man mission?
Please, before you assume that running a large company is about uncontrolled egos think about how the purse strings are controlled.
Unless the people who actually own BA felt that this was the correct course of action and Willie was representing their views and intentions he would be reigned in or removed.
That has clearly not happened or looks likely to happen.
The crusade is not to appease non strikers but to put in place a business structure fit for draw back those j customers without the future threat of more strike action hanging over their bookings.
Being the leader of a company like BA in the current climate is not about being popular to the employees, it is ideal but not necessary. What is is being popular with the city and shareholders. It seems Willie and his plan clearly are.
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Branson must be doing well - my wife tried to book a return J class to JFK (for the 2nd week of June) and will have to travel home in premium economy as no Upper seats available that night!
Juan said:-
"The solution lies with Willie Walsh. He must waste no further time or resources"
Juan you are 100% correct - as CEO WW makes all the decisions so the solution does lie with him! I am sure he won't waste more time on this and next month he will put some adverts in the papers for new cabin crew, print the p45's and then get on with running our great airline
Juan said:-
"The solution lies with Willie Walsh. He must waste no further time or resources"
Juan you are 100% correct - as CEO WW makes all the decisions so the solution does lie with him! I am sure he won't waste more time on this and next month he will put some adverts in the papers for new cabin crew, print the p45's and then get on with running our great airline
