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Old 18th May 2010, 21:39
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None of the blinkered BASSA-forumites seem to have realised that it was not "Unite" who made the error that has placed them here, but their very own representatives.

So for one of the BASSA-forum lurkers (yes, I know we are "vile" thank you) why not go and ask your reps directly on the BASSA forum who was presented with the result, and who was responsible for getting the information out there? The vast majority seem to be blaming "Unite" and not realising that the very same reps they worship are actually the ones who dumped them in the poo. Go on, it's a matter of record on the full transcript, apparently, so they have nothing to hide.
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Old 18th May 2010, 22:06
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Hi, followed your link .. when was this started ?
No posts .. thats worrying ??
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Old 18th May 2010, 22:10
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Old 19th May 2010, 02:20
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Strike "illegal"?????

Can we stop talking about this strike being 'illegal'? The only strikes which are illegal are those involving work groups who are expressly prohibited by law from withholding their labour - the Police or Armed Forces for example. Everybody else can strike whenever they want to and their actions will not be 'illegal', but they will be in breach of their contract of employment. Breaching a contract of employment is grounds for dismissal, UNLESS (and this is the important bit....) you are taking part in industrial action which satisfies the stipulations of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992. If your strike satisfies the demands of the Act (balloting, notification etc) then your dismissal for having taken industrial action is automatically deemed unfair and can be challenged and redressed in court. If your strike did not satisfy the stipulations of the Act - and this is the judgement handed down to Unite on Monday - your dismissal will not be unfair and your breach of contract could stand as grounds for dismissal.
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Old 19th May 2010, 04:23
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Brutish Airways ? Support the BA Cabin Crew ? There is a better way

Actors of course.
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Old 19th May 2010, 06:09
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i just watched the video, it could not be more pathetic if they had made her cry real tears, sign of desperation from Unite really...
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Old 19th May 2010, 07:14
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Originally Posted by Freddielaker
Can we stop talking about this strike being 'illegal'?
Freddie,

It has more impact if you say illegal, rather than a dismissal may not be automatically unfair.

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Old 19th May 2010, 07:14
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giza I didnt come to work I went on strike stand by my beliefs and will continue to support my union and my crew 100% some of the posts on this forum are beyond comprehension I can not believe I have worked along side crew with such malice in their hearts we live in a democracy and have the right to views.. ... my point was you back BA no matter what your view....crew who went on strike should not be put down by the im backing ba slogan.... We all back BA some more than others by giving up wages and staff travel when believing in their right to legall IA... Look at your wage packets this month volunteers... will you be giving your extra pay up and giving it back to BA in an erfort to back BA even more????
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Old 19th May 2010, 07:25
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'dave3'? Are you sure? Sound an awful lot like watersidewonker, I think. A bit of punctuation would help those here understand what you're trying to say.
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Old 19th May 2010, 07:34
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So, Dave 3, by your splendid logic, and by extension to the extreme, the best way you could back BA is to be on strike forever and take no pay whatsoever? Certainly if, as you claim, you backed BA more by going on strike, that would seem to be the case.

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Old 19th May 2010, 07:37
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sorry lol I most def do not work at waterside....Understand why you would think that though as I asked the volunteers to give their money back lol
What I am trying to convey is that We all "Back BA " just because we may have a different opinion does not mean we are not backing BA some have a vision for the long term, the product and the quality of staff that we will be able to engage in the future.
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Old 19th May 2010, 07:42
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Ta for that, I don't think there's any employee in the airline with a long-term future in prospect who doesn't feel that way.

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Old 19th May 2010, 07:53
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volunteers to give their money back lol
Didn't get any to give back as I did the course on my days off, it actually cost me petrol etc.
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Old 19th May 2010, 07:55
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Re Legality or otherwise

Some interesting comments from the SLF forum to put the legalaties in perspective...

>>Radio 2's Jeremy Vine had Bob Crowe from the RMT union on to discuss the recent High Court ruling against Unison, and he made a very interesting statement to the fact that ALL strikes are in fact illegal and a breach of contract in the UK, all a ballot does is to protect workers for a 12 week period from dismissal, and the union concerned from financial punishment from the employer

>>The simple, hard and rather unfair reality is that any employer can sack any employee at anytime for anything – the employer may have to justify their actions and they may indeed be called to provide compensation (far from substantial however) if found to be in the wrong. This doesn’t alter the fact that the employee is sacked and remains so.
It is a requirement of UK law that these words have to be present on the ballot paper: - "If you take part in a strike or other industrial action, you may be in breach of your contract of employment."

The law was later amended to add the following also: - “However, if you are dismissed for taking part in strike or other industrial action which is called officially and is otherwise lawful, the dismissal will be unfair if it takes place fewer than twelve weeks after you started taking part in the action, and depending on the circumstances may be unfair if it takes place later."

The important bit to note here is “….is otherwise lawful, the dismissal will be unfair….” Unfair note, not illegal


>>"Illegal" is probably the wrong word to use. The Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 uses the terms "Protected" and "Unprotected" Industrial Action. A breach of this act could render the strike "unprotected", but not "illegal".
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Old 19th May 2010, 07:55
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Originally Posted by dave3
I didnt come to work I went on strike stand by my beliefs and will continue to support my union and my crew 100%
Sounds more like the 'Duty' BASSA rep to me, with the highlighted section above suggesting some sort of ownership of the crew.
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Old 19th May 2010, 07:56
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Dave 3 must clearly be a troll and oddly with the same grasp of grammar as our friend WWW.

I find it hard to think anyone who works for BA in whatever capacity has such a poor gasp of logic to genuinely think that striking is somehow backing BA. Even BASSA/Unite would find that a hard line to spin!

Please try not to feed the troll, there is enough strong sentiment flowing without intentionally exacerbating the problems.
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Old 19th May 2010, 08:13
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Ah, Jazzy, you're forgetting that BA Cabin Crew ARE BA (it says so on BASSA!). Therefore by backing BASSA some people think they are backing BA. They seriously believe that they are guardians of BAs product and service, not simply employees. Logic isnt a feature.

Add in the fact that the vast majority of BA crew worked during the strike and you have to wonder if its BA who are actually backing the majority of BA crew and not BASSA.
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Old 19th May 2010, 08:21
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does anyone know how much the loser of the High court case will have to pay ? Bet its not cheap
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Old 19th May 2010, 08:43
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If you are a BA staff member then have a look at this page on the intranet.
https://planetba.baplc.com/general/a...nt/CSP+-+Terms
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So, what exactly is the strike about now?

Anything? As in the ballot request?

Imposition? Seems to have been forgotten about!

Crewing levels? Can't work any harder now can we?

Pay? Nope, no one is offering a paycut are they, except the Union that is?
New Fleet? Can't strike over a possible change BALPA proved that to their cost. Plus BA is promising to protect pay into the future.

What ifs? BASSA/Unite has produced so many 'what if' scenarios it defies belief. Give a million monkies typewriters and they will eventually come up with the complete works of shakespeare! The scenarios of all the 'what ifs' available would take about the same time! Good reason for strike action and job loss? Nope.

Staff Travel? Not a contractural perk I'm afraid, if it was you would have to pay tax on the benefit thus it is a management perk that can be removed if wished. Do you really want to pay tax on your staff travel tickets? You can lose your perks by upsetting those that give you the benefit. Fair? Possibly not, legal? Yep.

Facebook Rubbish? Dismissed for passing sensitive, personal, protected data over an unsecure web service that demands copyright over everything posted. I wonder why they were dismissed?

Suspension of employees? Nothing like protecting your own buddies whilst casting out the futures of thousands hmm? They have gone through the Union agreed process and have been found wanting. If they have a grievance then they have the legal process to appeal. No need to threaten the jobs of thousands for their stupidity.


Right then, must be the hot towels in WTP then.

Good luck.
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