British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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demonmonkey,
I operated on day 1 and day 2 of the strike. On boarding, this is what a longhaul commuter said to me 'Thank you for being here, I'm so proud of you guys.' Fortunately, not all commuters are the same.
On a different note, Bill Francis said he and Willie Walsh have been overwhelmed by the support shown by crew over the strike days.
Bill Francis also said that he and Willie Walsh have to think very carefully about how they show their commitment to crew who have come to work when asked.
This was in response to a question asked if those who came to work and were loyal to BA would be given the opportunity to accept his 'fair and reasonable' original offer in my view that BASSA refused.
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are my personal views.
I operated on day 1 and day 2 of the strike. On boarding, this is what a longhaul commuter said to me 'Thank you for being here, I'm so proud of you guys.' Fortunately, not all commuters are the same.
On a different note, Bill Francis said he and Willie Walsh have been overwhelmed by the support shown by crew over the strike days.
Bill Francis also said that he and Willie Walsh have to think very carefully about how they show their commitment to crew who have come to work when asked.
This was in response to a question asked if those who came to work and were loyal to BA would be given the opportunity to accept his 'fair and reasonable' original offer in my view that BASSA refused.
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are my personal views.
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MaskedGoatrider,
You may wish to rewrite your post as it is entirely incorrect.
They are not fighting to retain jobs - the jobs went voluntarily.
They are not fighting to minimise the depth of the pay cuts. BA didn't suggest pay cuts - the Union did.
They are not fighting to retain employment opportunities - there won't be any if BA do not survive this, or at best, the offers from BA will be worse than those already offered.
They are simply...fighting.
A large portion of the membership are fighting to retain jobs and minimise the depth of the pay cuts so they can retain employment opportunities into the future not only for themselves but for the crews of the future
They are not fighting to retain jobs - the jobs went voluntarily.
They are not fighting to minimise the depth of the pay cuts. BA didn't suggest pay cuts - the Union did.
They are not fighting to retain employment opportunities - there won't be any if BA do not survive this, or at best, the offers from BA will be worse than those already offered.
They are simply...fighting.
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Oldbird,
I've not said I'm delighted in any punishment the striking crew will get. However, I do think that WW needs to carry out what he's said he will, otherwise he won't be taken seriously. Also, do you think it's fair that the strikers should have no repercussions for downing tools so to speak? They have put the company in a bad position, made themselves look like militants and made the public think we're overpaid primadonnas. I don't think that's fair to all the crew who did turn up for work.
WW and BF explained in emails to every crew member the consequenses of going on strike. My main issue isn't whether people have the right to strike, but my issue is with the union for misleading their members. They've done this by lying - and blatantly at that. It's been proven in court, and proven in the last few days by the public, media and employees who did work.
Can you honestly say that you trust the union to act in your best interest, knowing that they're lying to you? Can you trust them to look after you when they haven't explained what to do after a strike? And can you truly believe they have your interest at heart when most of them won't be receiving the same "punishment" as the striking members, due to being on annual leave/long term sick?
I don't take any delight into the fact that strikers will be punished by the company. I actually feel sorry for most of them, and that being those who've been led down the garden path with lies.
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Glamgirl neither you nor your new organisation are going to win that many supporters by being so obviously delighted in punishment meted out to your fellow crew members. By all means have a differing view point but do it with tact and diplomacy. There may come a time when you have a real battle with WW and I hope you're up to the task.
I've not said I'm delighted in any punishment the striking crew will get. However, I do think that WW needs to carry out what he's said he will, otherwise he won't be taken seriously. Also, do you think it's fair that the strikers should have no repercussions for downing tools so to speak? They have put the company in a bad position, made themselves look like militants and made the public think we're overpaid primadonnas. I don't think that's fair to all the crew who did turn up for work.
WW and BF explained in emails to every crew member the consequenses of going on strike. My main issue isn't whether people have the right to strike, but my issue is with the union for misleading their members. They've done this by lying - and blatantly at that. It's been proven in court, and proven in the last few days by the public, media and employees who did work.
Can you honestly say that you trust the union to act in your best interest, knowing that they're lying to you? Can you trust them to look after you when they haven't explained what to do after a strike? And can you truly believe they have your interest at heart when most of them won't be receiving the same "punishment" as the striking members, due to being on annual leave/long term sick?
I don't take any delight into the fact that strikers will be punished by the company. I actually feel sorry for most of them, and that being those who've been led down the garden path with lies.
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There have been several requests for posts that are perceived to be pro-BASSA to be deleted. We're trying (with varying degrees of success, admittedly) to allow this forum to reflect as many views as possible. Just because you may disagree with the sentiments expressed does not mean that a post should be deleted. If we start deleting posts purely because of the opinions expressed, we risk no longer being seen as impartial.
If you come across a post that appears designed to be inflammatory, step back a moment before posting. Maybe take a look at the PPRuNe profile of the person posting, or possibly take a look at the history of previous posts. These will often tell you whether a reply is worth your valuable time, or whether simply ignoring an obvious provocation would be more sensible.
Take the post above by The masked goatrider, for example. This person lives on the other side of the world, clearly has no connection with BA and appears to work for QANTAS, an airline plagued by staff dissent. This information might lead you to conclude that The masked goatrider is the kind of person that has their own agenda and should therefore be ignored.
The easiest method for dealing with Trolls is not to feed them, and in doing so, retain the moral high ground.
If you come across a post that appears designed to be inflammatory, step back a moment before posting. Maybe take a look at the PPRuNe profile of the person posting, or possibly take a look at the history of previous posts. These will often tell you whether a reply is worth your valuable time, or whether simply ignoring an obvious provocation would be more sensible.
Take the post above by The masked goatrider, for example. This person lives on the other side of the world, clearly has no connection with BA and appears to work for QANTAS, an airline plagued by staff dissent. This information might lead you to conclude that The masked goatrider is the kind of person that has their own agenda and should therefore be ignored.
The easiest method for dealing with Trolls is not to feed them, and in doing so, retain the moral high ground.
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Tightslot - well said. And personally i think this thread is benefitting from a more 'relaxed' approach to moderating. 
We should allow both sides to argue their case - its a free world.
We should allow both sides to argue their case - its a free world.
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Glamgirl...
No I don't think he should take away staff travel because my personal opinion is that he's punishing staff for doing something they are within legal rights to do. It would be different if it was a mass sick call or people just walking out without a ballot but this wasn't the case. It sets a precedent. There may come a time in the future when flight deck or cabin crew have a real battle, emphasis on real and then what?
If this is about saving the company money at a difficult econonomic time then why don't the flight deck give up their scope clause and allow flying to do be done by people who can do it cheaper? Not relevant to this I know, but all I hear is how they want to save the company so put your money where you mouth is because all I ever hear is how awful the cabin crew is and how they are out to save BA. At the end of the day I really do want to go into work, do my job and not have to listen to any of this.
Quite honestly I don't believe everything BA says any more than I believe everything BASSA says.
No I don't think he should take away staff travel because my personal opinion is that he's punishing staff for doing something they are within legal rights to do. It would be different if it was a mass sick call or people just walking out without a ballot but this wasn't the case. It sets a precedent. There may come a time in the future when flight deck or cabin crew have a real battle, emphasis on real and then what?
If this is about saving the company money at a difficult econonomic time then why don't the flight deck give up their scope clause and allow flying to do be done by people who can do it cheaper? Not relevant to this I know, but all I hear is how they want to save the company so put your money where you mouth is because all I ever hear is how awful the cabin crew is and how they are out to save BA. At the end of the day I really do want to go into work, do my job and not have to listen to any of this.
Quite honestly I don't believe everything BA says any more than I believe everything BASSA says.
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Sorry TS I was one of those who had to bite! Just couldn't see the logic in much of a particular post.
The thread title is indeed British Airways vs BASSA, and its a two sided discussion.
However, what's weird is, there are 5 groups seem to have formed...
1 - Pro BASSA
2 - Pro BA
3 - Undecided, on the fence
4 - Undecided but pressured/swayed into working due to worry/peer pressure.
5 - Undecided but pressured/swayed into striking due to worry/peer pressure.
Most I have spoken to are in group 3 or 4.
The thread title is indeed British Airways vs BASSA, and its a two sided discussion.
However, what's weird is, there are 5 groups seem to have formed...
1 - Pro BASSA
2 - Pro BA
3 - Undecided, on the fence
4 - Undecided but pressured/swayed into working due to worry/peer pressure.
5 - Undecided but pressured/swayed into striking due to worry/peer pressure.
Most I have spoken to are in group 3 or 4.
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Could the pro-strike lobby please explain the purpose of the abusive gestures fired at non-BA crews going to work for their own airlines (ie totally unrelated to the strike) from the picket line on the roundabout ? How is that going to garner support ? I'm sure your kids learnt some interesting hand gestures to try out at nursery.......
My degree of support for your cause evaporated at that moment.
Class act.
My degree of support for your cause evaporated at that moment.
Class act.
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No I don't think he should take away staff travel because my personal opinion is that he's punishing staff for doing something they are within legal rights to do
One legal action by strikers has led to an equally legal response by BA.
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Oldbird,
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. However, I think that the union went for the strike option far too soon. Had there been proper negotiations instead of what actually happened, there may not have been a need for all this. Basically, what the union has done now, is to give themselves less bargaining power for the future. Partly due to the amount of members cancelling their membership, partly because they went "nuclear" too soon and can't seem to be reasoned with.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. However, I think that the union went for the strike option far too soon. Had there been proper negotiations instead of what actually happened, there may not have been a need for all this. Basically, what the union has done now, is to give themselves less bargaining power for the future. Partly due to the amount of members cancelling their membership, partly because they went "nuclear" too soon and can't seem to be reasoned with.
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No I don't think he should take away staff travel because my personal opinion is that he's punishing staff for doing something they are within legal rights to do.
No I don't think he should take away staff travel because my personal opinion is that he's punishing staff for doing something they are within legal rights to do.
why don't the flight deck give up their scope clause and allow flying to do be done by people who can do it cheaper? Not relevant to this I know, but all I hear is how they want to save the company so put your money where you mouth is
This dispute has come about precisely because of such ideas which prove that BASSA live in cloud cuckoo land.
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The fact is that many people believe that this is about imposition.
They want to have system where fair negotiation takes place, the two sides have come very close BA wants 62.5m the union offered 55m...and so we lose how much for a 7.5m difference?
Both sides have made mistakes, neither will admit it though.
Negotiation isn't one side saying "no, £62.5m" and thats it"
A middle ground needs to be found.....and it will ......but we will all lose.
(Unions did agree a pension solution this week -the difference being the egos involved in the talks maybe?)
Many of you think this is all about £.......then why have so many decided that this fight is worth losing staff travel over?
It is more about fairness and principles, threatening to remove staff travel was intended to influence the result of the ballot/action.
If imposition is allowed without challenge, do others here hoestly think that their dept will be immune? That you gave enough last time?
Openskies will return.......I've flown with many Flt crew who support cabin crew as they think that costs will be cut elsewhere next....
Back office - look at staffing levels/pay in low costs -there is your future.
How many crew managers do you think ej etc has in relation to BA? Productivity to be had there if a Fleet Director type flying/office role comes back again!
Cabin crew are bearing the brunt of the attack as they are a large group, they wont be the last! (All A Scales still not agreed...)
As for the "fact" that BA cant tell a lie as they are a PLC....please! they lied about how much I earn recently (im full time and £8k short of the 'average' gross for my grade after 28yrs!!!!). They also have been caught by many fines recently, -so were they for good behaviour?
They dont have to divulge sensetive operational info......so this weekends figures???
On a pragmatic level, I worry that CRM has been massively damaged.
I wont allow intimidation either as we move forward, so maybe everyone should really think before they say something that they will regret later.
Its not your intention that matters, its the impact of the words.
We need to act as one team onboard, reflect on that. Your personal opinions are just that. Keep them out of the equation.
They want to have system where fair negotiation takes place, the two sides have come very close BA wants 62.5m the union offered 55m...and so we lose how much for a 7.5m difference?
Both sides have made mistakes, neither will admit it though.
Negotiation isn't one side saying "no, £62.5m" and thats it"
A middle ground needs to be found.....and it will ......but we will all lose.
(Unions did agree a pension solution this week -the difference being the egos involved in the talks maybe?)
Many of you think this is all about £.......then why have so many decided that this fight is worth losing staff travel over?
It is more about fairness and principles, threatening to remove staff travel was intended to influence the result of the ballot/action.
If imposition is allowed without challenge, do others here hoestly think that their dept will be immune? That you gave enough last time?
Openskies will return.......I've flown with many Flt crew who support cabin crew as they think that costs will be cut elsewhere next....
Back office - look at staffing levels/pay in low costs -there is your future.
How many crew managers do you think ej etc has in relation to BA? Productivity to be had there if a Fleet Director type flying/office role comes back again!
Cabin crew are bearing the brunt of the attack as they are a large group, they wont be the last! (All A Scales still not agreed...)
As for the "fact" that BA cant tell a lie as they are a PLC....please! they lied about how much I earn recently (im full time and £8k short of the 'average' gross for my grade after 28yrs!!!!). They also have been caught by many fines recently, -so were they for good behaviour?
They dont have to divulge sensetive operational info......so this weekends figures???
On a pragmatic level, I worry that CRM has been massively damaged.
I wont allow intimidation either as we move forward, so maybe everyone should really think before they say something that they will regret later.
Its not your intention that matters, its the impact of the words.
We need to act as one team onboard, reflect on that. Your personal opinions are just that. Keep them out of the equation.
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Negotiation was about how you achieve your savings, not how much you save. BASSA had their chance and blew it, which is why Tony Woodley is now begging BA to reinstate an offer far inferior to the one which BA made last June. Meanwhile, coming to a letterbox near you tomorrow......
Ouch!
Dear Colleague
I am writing to advise you that our records show that you failed to report for your rostered duty over the strike period of 20 – 22 March, we therefore consider you to have taken part in industrial action. As a result the following consequences will apply.
Loss of Pay
As we have previously explained you will not be paid from the point you started taking industrial action until the date you are either allocated another duty, or you undertake your next rostered duty. As you are in breach of contract over this period we are entitled to deduct pay. This deduction will take place in March’s pay.
Removal of staff travel
We have advised all cabin crew on a number of occasions that if you took part in industrial action, this would result in the permanent withdrawal of your staff travel concessions. These concessions are non contractual and granted, changed or withdrawn at the sole discretion of British Airways.
Therefore, from 14 April 2010, you are not eligible to benefit from any staff travel concessions either in your own right or as a nominee of another serving or former British Airways’ employee.
You may no longer use any type of rebate travel concessions whether on British Airways flights or those of other airlines associated with British Airways for concessionary travel purposes. Concessions include Basic and Premium Standby, Annual Bookable tickets – whether granted for status or length of service. You may, however, continue to benefit from discounted commercial tickets (Hotline).
The decision to withdraw staff travel concessions in these circumstances has not been taken lightly. The industrial action in which you took part has severely impacted upon our operations and customers and we will, undoubtedly, suffer additional costs and further losses as a result.
There is no right of appeal following this decision.
I am writing to advise you that our records show that you failed to report for your rostered duty over the strike period of 20 – 22 March, we therefore consider you to have taken part in industrial action. As a result the following consequences will apply.
Loss of Pay
As we have previously explained you will not be paid from the point you started taking industrial action until the date you are either allocated another duty, or you undertake your next rostered duty. As you are in breach of contract over this period we are entitled to deduct pay. This deduction will take place in March’s pay.
Removal of staff travel
We have advised all cabin crew on a number of occasions that if you took part in industrial action, this would result in the permanent withdrawal of your staff travel concessions. These concessions are non contractual and granted, changed or withdrawn at the sole discretion of British Airways.
Therefore, from 14 April 2010, you are not eligible to benefit from any staff travel concessions either in your own right or as a nominee of another serving or former British Airways’ employee.
You may no longer use any type of rebate travel concessions whether on British Airways flights or those of other airlines associated with British Airways for concessionary travel purposes. Concessions include Basic and Premium Standby, Annual Bookable tickets – whether granted for status or length of service. You may, however, continue to benefit from discounted commercial tickets (Hotline).
The decision to withdraw staff travel concessions in these circumstances has not been taken lightly. The industrial action in which you took part has severely impacted upon our operations and customers and we will, undoubtedly, suffer additional costs and further losses as a result.
There is no right of appeal following this decision.
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Scope clauses and all other agreements the flight crew have, are a result of engaging the company with our concerns, and through tough but normally civilised negotiations, we are where we are. Since Feb last year, the company has tried to engage with BASSA, to no avail, and eventually imposed the changes they required to meet the savings target. Have a look at what the cabin crew were offered last summer, and tell me how the approach BASSA has taken, has benefited the work force? Refusing to examine the accounts, not turning up to negotiations before the June deadline, agreeing a 3 week extension to show the membership the latest deal, and the next day announcing strike action, thereby costing the company millions. Yes, the breakdown the relationship with the company has been caused by the two sides over the last 20 years. But when the **** his the economy last year, to behave as they have, BASSA have let all the crew down. And having operated this weekend, and seen the CRC full of cabin crew, and so many flights take off with grateful passengers, then watching the disingenuous information told on TV by Unite, which I knew not to be true, I truly felt sorry for our cabin crew, who have been deeply let down by their union. For 13 months. The sad part is that the previous 20 years have made many crew refuse to even examine the facts. That has been, for quite some time, a job that BALPA has been doing so well for us..........
Scope clauses and all other agreements the flight crew have, are a result of engaging the company with our concerns, and through tough but normally civilised negotiations, we are where we are. Since Feb last year, the company has tried to engage with BASSA, to no avail, and eventually imposed the changes they required to meet the savings target. Have a look at what the cabin crew were offered last summer, and tell me how the approach BASSA has taken, has benefited the work force? Refusing to examine the accounts, not turning up to negotiations before the June deadline, agreeing a 3 week extension to show the membership the latest deal, and the next day announcing strike action, thereby costing the company millions. Yes, the breakdown the relationship with the company has been caused by the two sides over the last 20 years. But when the **** his the economy last year, to behave as they have, BASSA have let all the crew down. And having operated this weekend, and seen the CRC full of cabin crew, and so many flights take off with grateful passengers, then watching the disingenuous information told on TV by Unite, which I knew not to be true, I truly felt sorry for our cabin crew, who have been deeply let down by their union. For 13 months. The sad part is that the previous 20 years have made many crew refuse to even examine the facts. That has been, for quite some time, a job that BALPA has been doing so well for us..........
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I think you are under a couple of misapprehensions:
You are right that BA do not have to divulge sensitive data. But any data that they DO divulge must be accurate if it pertains to commercial performance. Also, there has been no verifiable misinformation from BA but it is hard to find a single piece of verifiable info from BASSA that is not grossly distorted or just a plain old lie.
I don't think it is fair to paint this a a challenge to impositions. The union had over a year to negotiate but wasted most of this time not talking to the company or not even talking to itself! Meanwhile all the other unions were coming to workable arrangements. Do you really think that taking a year to talk seriously is reasonable. By that measure, all any union would have to do is just refuse to talk ever and then nothing need change, ever!
I have personally met no FC who support the IA and I would estimate that I have had contact with around 150 since the IA was announced. If there are any, then its a tiny minority.
You are right that BA do not have to divulge sensitive data. But any data that they DO divulge must be accurate if it pertains to commercial performance. Also, there has been no verifiable misinformation from BA but it is hard to find a single piece of verifiable info from BASSA that is not grossly distorted or just a plain old lie.
I don't think it is fair to paint this a a challenge to impositions. The union had over a year to negotiate but wasted most of this time not talking to the company or not even talking to itself! Meanwhile all the other unions were coming to workable arrangements. Do you really think that taking a year to talk seriously is reasonable. By that measure, all any union would have to do is just refuse to talk ever and then nothing need change, ever!
I have personally met no FC who support the IA and I would estimate that I have had contact with around 150 since the IA was announced. If there are any, then its a tiny minority.
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You must be wrong 320 driver, as on CF and BASSA they are claiming that pilots are sympathising with striking crew and saying how disgusted they are with pilots volunteering to work as cabin crew. That said I, I havn't met any of these sympathetic pilots either!
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Tightslot/Mods - well done and at long last, some fair moderation on this forum.
Flyinspanner - bravo!...could not have said it better myself.
Gg - not enough pre strike discussions...where have you been for the last 18 months? Are you ready for Newfleet because by working at the weekend your are one step closer to it.
Flyinspanner - bravo!...could not have said it better myself.
Gg - not enough pre strike discussions...where have you been for the last 18 months? Are you ready for Newfleet because by working at the weekend your are one step closer to it.
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Timothy Claypole - I've witnessed strong feelings towards both avenues of thought re strike from my FD colleagues. However the worst venom I heard was re the volunteering FD to work thru the strike, This is going to take years to get over, especially within a small community. How sad.
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Glamgirl neither you nor your new organisation are going to win that many supporters by being so obviously delighted in punishment meted out to your fellow crew members. By all means have a differing view point but do it with tact and diplomacy. There may come a time when you have a real battle with WW and I hope you're up to the task.
I also would like to address the complete fallacy that just because people do not support this current strike situation, they or any new organisation would be unable to challenge the management. That is rubbish.
The best way to get what you want, as you yourself have stated, is through tact and diplomacy. That is what the Professional Cabin Crew Council are proposing to do in the future. Where is the tact and diplomacy offered by Unite? I have never, ever in my entire long career in BA seen "tact and diplomacy" with Unite. I have, it has to be said, also seen management come and go within BA that have lacked "tact and diplomacy".
But this situation has been handled by the current management with complete regard for the current crew's position. "Minimise the impact on current crew" is a phrase we have heard more times than we care to remember now. Why is it so frowned upon to recognise and acknowledge that management have looked after our interests? Is it just a case of crew being so used to management not respecting their interests, as in the past, that they actually cannot now accept one that does?
Oldbird, I don't know if you flew (pun intended
) at the weekend, but the atmosphere was tangible. People were very pleased to be there, very happy to have made their own choice, and it was extremely liberating. Ironically everyone was talking about the same thing - the strike. But for the first time in a zillion trillion years it was not management bashing, but people were quite literally saying that "BASSA has let everyone down." Most people were phoning and texting friends telling them "It's ok to come in to work". People were most definitely looking out for each other, whichever side of the fence they were on.It is a sad day indeed when everyone is literally sick to their stomach about going to work in a job they love. There is only one cause to all of this. BASSA.