British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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and that salary level will help to spread the recruitment net to Europe given the dire value of the £ against the Euro.
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Andyismyname.
I agree with you, and as i have stated in previous posts i think WW would be mad not to crush BASSA once and for all.However BASSA always wriggle out of their mess and balme everyone else but themselves.BASSA will have a large following no matter what the outcome is.I think SOME crew have woken up to them but not enough, alot of crew tend to think of BASSA as an insurance policy so if they have any trouble from BA for some reason
BASSA will help them .
I agree with you, and as i have stated in previous posts i think WW would be mad not to crush BASSA once and for all.However BASSA always wriggle out of their mess and balme everyone else but themselves.BASSA will have a large following no matter what the outcome is.I think SOME crew have woken up to them but not enough, alot of crew tend to think of BASSA as an insurance policy so if they have any trouble from BA for some reason
BASSA will help them .
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So at the end of the day, the going rate for BA CC is....the going rate..! Not 59k not 29k. but 12k.....same as every other airline!
basic for BA will be £11k with a £2.40 hourly rate mixed flying (I have the contract in fornt of me)
Thomson who fly mixed are £11.250 with a £2.89 hourly rate
TCX are £11K and £2.80
BMI are way ahead of this with a basic of just over £13k plus allowances.
BASSA have done nothing to protect the £11-17k basic of their members. I do hope a solution can be found today that the extreme right and left can walk away happy with. leaving the majority of us with a decent job, decent wage and some customers!
Bring on PCCC
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BASSA have done nothing to protect the £11-17k basic of their members. I do hope a solution can be found today that the extreme right and left can walk away happy with. leaving the majority of us with a decent job, decent wage and some customers!
What a remarkable union BASSA is...!!
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Rover90 - you have that the wrong way round - mainland Europe is now vastly more expensive to live in than it was 5/6 years ago..
Just offering an opinion that at UK market rate +10%, european applicants would still be attracted.
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And the answer is, as you quite rightly produce...Market rate.
So BA CC and al those under Unite that are so faithfull, pleae walk out, and ...walk in every new member of the CC world that wants a job on BA more than lucrative terms in the present climate...
So easy really...
So BA CC and al those under Unite that are so faithfull, pleae walk out, and ...walk in every new member of the CC world that wants a job on BA more than lucrative terms in the present climate...
So easy really...
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Apparently UNITE have published an announcement on the bassa web site accepting the introduction of new fleet
.British Airways seeks last-minute deal to avert strike | Business | guardian.co.uk
There is also a message on ESS from BF that makes a lot of sense and once again highlights the ineptitude of the union and the serious negative impact such proposals if accepted would have on the Gatwick cabin crew.
.British Airways seeks last-minute deal to avert strike | Business | guardian.co.uk
There is also a message on ESS from BF that makes a lot of sense and once again highlights the ineptitude of the union and the serious negative impact such proposals if accepted would have on the Gatwick cabin crew.
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They can't be serious
BASSA's last and final offer includes:
2.6% pay cut
New fleet to start immediately
Minimal return of crew on EF
Can anyone explain to me why a union would do that to it's own members?
2.6% pay cut
New fleet to start immediately
Minimal return of crew on EF
Can anyone explain to me why a union would do that to it's own members?
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Progression
Dreariest we know,
Weakened oe'r writs-
Went rework ideas.
Neared strike, Wow!
Tarried weeks now,
New work steadier
Now, before the Grammar Police get aboard me, each line forms the same anagram.
Answers on a postcard, please....
Weakened oe'r writs-
Went rework ideas.
Neared strike, Wow!
Tarried weeks now,
New work steadier
Now, before the Grammar Police get aboard me, each line forms the same anagram.
Answers on a postcard, please....
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Spin Doctor
I love their humour. Paid up to 50% more than the competition.........and they offer a 2.6% pay cut.
Willie is just biding his time...........training more replacement crew every day.
I love their humour. Paid up to 50% more than the competition.........and they offer a 2.6% pay cut.
Willie is just biding his time...........training more replacement crew every day.
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Can anyone explain to me why a union would do that to it's own members?
2. If BA walks away, they have to call a strike, which they know they will lose.
3. They are under enormous political pressure to make this problem go away, given Labour's improved opinion poll position.
4. This is by no means Unite's biggest headache. Consensus forecasts are now for about 500,000 public sector jobs to be lost over the next 5-10 years in order to improve the UK's fiscal deficit. That's a lot of membership fees at risk. None of the "real" Unite officers gives a stuff about 12,000 cabin crew, none of whom are at risk of losing their jobs.
There is always a conflict of interest between the Union as an entity and its members as individuals in disputes of this sort. The Union needs to maximise headcount in order to maximise its own income. Individuals may well prefer to see lower headcount in order to preserve their own earnings. In the BA issue here everyone, other than the Union itself, was offered a winning hand at the start. BA could offer voluntary severance to those who wanted it, and similarly with part time working. Those staff who remained were offered assurances about maintaining current earnings. BA saved the money it needed as a result of the VR and part time moves, coupled with onboard productivity improvements. Only the Union faced losses, from the 1,000 VR-takers who, potentially, would no longer require Union membership.
A long answer to your question, but the short answer is "a conflict of interest" that many people either failed to appreciate or simply ignored.
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Papillon. Nicely summed up.
As cabin crew, I hope BA will, if they accept a deal, tell BASSA;
"Well, ok, we think it's a worse deal for your members, but if you think you can get them to vote YES to accepting it go ahead, BUT IT THEY REJECT IT, YOU ACCEPT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSALS."
Mind you, BASSA will probably be able to spin it so that ot DOES sound like a good deal, though HOW I cannot imagine.
Frankly I'm furious.
As cabin crew, I hope BA will, if they accept a deal, tell BASSA;
"Well, ok, we think it's a worse deal for your members, but if you think you can get them to vote YES to accepting it go ahead, BUT IT THEY REJECT IT, YOU ACCEPT OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSALS."
Mind you, BASSA will probably be able to spin it so that ot DOES sound like a good deal, though HOW I cannot imagine.
Frankly I'm furious.
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There's a load of waffle (timed/dated 1525 10/03/10) here: . COST SAVING TALKS PAGE 2 which also includes a link to a more detailed fantasy.
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Sorry, new here but I thought I'd point out what I believe to be the source of the current attempts at bilateral mis-information.
BF appears to be claiming that the pay cuts represent a cut of £1k+ for all crew. What he is in fact saying is that in order to make the required cost savings, as defined my management, by reduction in salary alone and through no other measures, that is the cut that would have to be made.
BF appears to be claiming that the pay cuts represent a cut of £1k+ for all crew. What he is in fact saying is that in order to make the required cost savings, as defined my management, by reduction in salary alone and through no other measures, that is the cut that would have to be made.
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Winch_Control.
You seem to be short of a few facts.There are three different fleets that make up BA cabin crew .Long haul from Heathrow,Euro Fleet from Heathrow and SFL from Gatwick.For a number of years now new cabin crew have been recruited on a basic gross salary of around £10950 pa and they have only had the option to work on the last two fleets,which are therefore generally made up of the younger generation who are prepared to accept contracts that are pretty similar to those which you would find elsewhere in the market.A lot of the crew ,especially at LGW earn (after allowances) less than crew at Easy Jet and other like carriers.
The crew at LHR who are reported to earn double market rate(which I do not deny) have been with the company in general many years,and have made their careers with BA because the company policy has encouraged this.If you have been working for the same employer for 15 years you would expect to be earning a decent salary.Take an example of a newly qualfied secretary in london.She may start on a salary of £12000 pa ,however if she was competant,and the company wanted to keep her,she would expect to earn considerably more after 15 years .
You can't expect BA to get rid of all these costly crew and re-employ new crew on £11000,(only chance of that is if BA became bankrupt)otherwise leagally its impossible.BA for some years now have been recruiting at market rate.
What is shocking is the allowance system that suppliments the basic wage.At LHR long haul and I believe to a lesser extent at euro fleet a mirriade of different allowances exist that have been negotiated over the years by BASSA which would appear completley non-sensical in any business,however they make up a major part of the salaries that these crew have been enjoying for years .Enough said.
Anyway it looks like BASSA are heading on another non-sensical blinkered horse ride,and I for one am a little worried about the final outcome.
You seem to be short of a few facts.There are three different fleets that make up BA cabin crew .Long haul from Heathrow,Euro Fleet from Heathrow and SFL from Gatwick.For a number of years now new cabin crew have been recruited on a basic gross salary of around £10950 pa and they have only had the option to work on the last two fleets,which are therefore generally made up of the younger generation who are prepared to accept contracts that are pretty similar to those which you would find elsewhere in the market.A lot of the crew ,especially at LGW earn (after allowances) less than crew at Easy Jet and other like carriers.
The crew at LHR who are reported to earn double market rate(which I do not deny) have been with the company in general many years,and have made their careers with BA because the company policy has encouraged this.If you have been working for the same employer for 15 years you would expect to be earning a decent salary.Take an example of a newly qualfied secretary in london.She may start on a salary of £12000 pa ,however if she was competant,and the company wanted to keep her,she would expect to earn considerably more after 15 years .
You can't expect BA to get rid of all these costly crew and re-employ new crew on £11000,(only chance of that is if BA became bankrupt)otherwise leagally its impossible.BA for some years now have been recruiting at market rate.
What is shocking is the allowance system that suppliments the basic wage.At LHR long haul and I believe to a lesser extent at euro fleet a mirriade of different allowances exist that have been negotiated over the years by BASSA which would appear completley non-sensical in any business,however they make up a major part of the salaries that these crew have been enjoying for years .Enough said.
Anyway it looks like BASSA are heading on another non-sensical blinkered horse ride,and I for one am a little worried about the final outcome.
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Just read the Unite waffle...
£62.97m in savings.... although they have left blank the line for a minimum 2.61% pay rise in 2011 and 2012 err that'll cost the company at least £15m. makes the total £45m... not enough..
If BA accept this offer as described then there is no hope at all.
CB
£62.97m in savings.... although they have left blank the line for a minimum 2.61% pay rise in 2011 and 2012 err that'll cost the company at least £15m. makes the total £45m... not enough..
If BA accept this offer as described then there is no hope at all.
CB