British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Finnster, please note that for the past few years, the PPRuNe clock has been out of whack more often than not. This issue has evaded the boffins at IB, PPRuNe“s owners, despite many attempts at fixing it.
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The following (which I note contains no denial of the 2.5hrs in 2.5weeks claim) is live on the cc89/amicus website:
4th March 2010
Joint Statement From Your Reps at the TUC
As you will have seen, yesterday our Chief Executive made a number of statements during his industrial relations update which was broadcast across our business.
At the time of the update your reps were present at the TUC attempting to negotiate with British Airways. The content of his speech was both surprising and disappointing to us both in its tone and content. A number of times Mr. Walsh made statements regarding the conduct of the negotiations which were blatantly untrue, and can have been designed solely as an attempt to undermine our solidarity. The assertion that the two committees are not united can be seen to be untrue - those present at the meeting at Kempton Park could plainly see that the committees are as united as ever.
Mr. Walsh claimed that 'internal disagreements have left us unable to maintain a common position'. This is a blatant LIE. We have been in constant session since January under the chairmanship of the TUC following the normal protocol of negotiations of this nature. We have made ourselves available at any time since then. Despite our offers to continue talks BA has chosen to leave the building at 6pm or earlier on numerous occasions. Various documents have been passed across the table for review by either side. Both branches of Unite have been sitting together and working jointly towards a mutually acceptable agreement in the best interests of the crew.
The constant press briefing, whispering campaign and overt spoiling coming out of the BA hierarchy is doing nothing less than moving any agreement further out of reach. It is blatantly apparent that Mr. Walsh is not being kept abreast of the developments at the TUC. In due course it will become clear how out of touch that he is.
The psychological warfare that the company is waging against the community is designed to cow you into submission and stop you standing up for yourself. Let the following statement give you strength when all you are hearing from the company are lies, half truths and threats:
Amicus and BASSA - United We Stand!
Lizanne Malone
Duncan Holley
Nigel Stott
Blair Veakins
Chris Harrison
Adam Marley
Adrian Smith
Marcel Devereux
Bob McCullum
Debbie Warren-Price
Garly Newley
Anna Roffey
Iain Tanner
Paul Taylor
Len Mc Clusky
Paul Talbot
Steve Turner
Brian Boyd
. COST SAVING TALKS PAGE 2
4th March 2010
Joint Statement From Your Reps at the TUC
As you will have seen, yesterday our Chief Executive made a number of statements during his industrial relations update which was broadcast across our business.
At the time of the update your reps were present at the TUC attempting to negotiate with British Airways. The content of his speech was both surprising and disappointing to us both in its tone and content. A number of times Mr. Walsh made statements regarding the conduct of the negotiations which were blatantly untrue, and can have been designed solely as an attempt to undermine our solidarity. The assertion that the two committees are not united can be seen to be untrue - those present at the meeting at Kempton Park could plainly see that the committees are as united as ever.
Mr. Walsh claimed that 'internal disagreements have left us unable to maintain a common position'. This is a blatant LIE. We have been in constant session since January under the chairmanship of the TUC following the normal protocol of negotiations of this nature. We have made ourselves available at any time since then. Despite our offers to continue talks BA has chosen to leave the building at 6pm or earlier on numerous occasions. Various documents have been passed across the table for review by either side. Both branches of Unite have been sitting together and working jointly towards a mutually acceptable agreement in the best interests of the crew.
The constant press briefing, whispering campaign and overt spoiling coming out of the BA hierarchy is doing nothing less than moving any agreement further out of reach. It is blatantly apparent that Mr. Walsh is not being kept abreast of the developments at the TUC. In due course it will become clear how out of touch that he is.
The psychological warfare that the company is waging against the community is designed to cow you into submission and stop you standing up for yourself. Let the following statement give you strength when all you are hearing from the company are lies, half truths and threats:
Amicus and BASSA - United We Stand!
Lizanne Malone
Duncan Holley
Nigel Stott
Blair Veakins
Chris Harrison
Adam Marley
Adrian Smith
Marcel Devereux
Bob McCullum
Debbie Warren-Price
Garly Newley
Anna Roffey
Iain Tanner
Paul Taylor
Len Mc Clusky
Paul Talbot
Steve Turner
Brian Boyd
. COST SAVING TALKS PAGE 2
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Both branches of Unite have been sitting together and working jointly towards a mutually acceptable agreement in the best interests of the crew.
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You are playing a now you see me, now you don't game! You post then delete. For those of us that aren't online to PPRuNe 24/7 it is a little annoying that posters refer to your post that has miraculously disappeared. If you have something valid to say, say it and don't delete it so we can all see what you are saying so that we can respond as appropriate!
You are playing a now you see me, now you don't game! You post then delete. For those of us that aren't online to PPRuNe 24/7 it is a little annoying that posters refer to your post that has miraculously disappeared. If you have something valid to say, say it and don't delete it so we can all see what you are saying so that we can respond as appropriate!
Just a thought.
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Wascrew....sorry,things move along pretty fast here on Pprune!
You suggested that NewFleet as a seperate fleet was part of every BA offer...
Could I draw your attention to this quote from the BA's June 2009 offer to Unite..
Bill Francis, in an ESS offer sent to all Cabin Crew stated:
May I refer you to my post #1833 which contains the whole text.
For the whole of the period between June & October 6th 2009, BA offered a deal with no seperate New Fleet.
How many crew even know this?
You suggested that NewFleet as a seperate fleet was part of every BA offer...
Could I draw your attention to this quote from the BA's June 2009 offer to Unite..
Bill Francis, in an ESS offer sent to all Cabin Crew stated:
I accepted Unites informal proposal of an integrated approach for all main crew recruited at Heathrow
For the whole of the period between June & October 6th 2009, BA offered a deal with no seperate New Fleet.
How many crew even know this?
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Well, the piccie of Mr. Walsh on the link "cost saving talks.." is a very professional and mature image.
A picture of the CEO with his eyes colored in red, presumably a reference to his being Satan?
Heading a document about negotiations that you wish people to take seriously?
Sad. Just so very sad.
A picture of the CEO with his eyes colored in red, presumably a reference to his being Satan?
Heading a document about negotiations that you wish people to take seriously?
Sad. Just so very sad.
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BASSA
other than having the standing of the Cabin Crew ridiculed across the country, and reduced passenger confidence in our employer, what have you actually achieved in the last year.
Nothing!
other than having the standing of the Cabin Crew ridiculed across the country, and reduced passenger confidence in our employer, what have you actually achieved in the last year.
Nothing!
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Mr. Walsh claimed that 'internal disagreements have left us unable to maintain a common position'. This is a blatant LIE. We have been in constant session since January under the chairmanship of the TUC following the normal protocol of negotiations of this nature. We have made ourselves available at any time since then.
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For the few of you that are in any doubt, there will be no last minute deal, the Unions are in a corner that they cant get out of, the exact corner that WW wanted them in but more importantly the corner that he was employed to put them in in the first place.
The only problem for the members is that your leaders Mr L McWhateverhisname et all underestimated WW stance...
I feel for you all as you were very badly led and severely misguided...
The only problem for the members is that your leaders Mr L McWhateverhisname et all underestimated WW stance...
I feel for you all as you were very badly led and severely misguided...
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In my opinion yesterdays move by WW firmly put the ball in the court of BASSA as far as the next move is concerned. They have a backstop of 15th March to announce IA, so there is no immediate rush for them to respond. Personally I'd expect something early next week (that is something more than the posturing all happy bunnies claptrap issued today). I expect nothing from BA until BASSA respond, after all he's said there will be no going back come hell or high water - what more is there for him to say. What is required of BASSA is the realisation that the game is up.
In my opinion yesterdays move by WW firmly put the ball in the court of BASSA as far as the next move is concerned. They have a backstop of 15th March to announce IA, so there is no immediate rush for them to respond. Personally I'd expect something early next week (that is something more than the posturing all happy bunnies claptrap issued today). I expect nothing from BA until BASSA respond, after all he's said there will be no going back come hell or high water - what more is there for him to say. What is required of BASSA is the realisation that the game is up.
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What an exciting time to work at BA.
To finally get rid of the BASSA hardcore militants who think BA owe them a lifestyle as they cower beneath a blanket of hardcore industrial protectionism.
Hoping that WW stands firm and while the moderate crew members come in and break the strike, the militants are left out in the cold fumbling with the wording of the terms and conditions of the New Fleet which will be the next contract these militants end up working under.
Shame on BASSA leadership for distorting the representation of the majority of crew, sacrificing the needs of the masses for the selfish needs of those at the top. I hope they enjoy their next holiday in Maritius, oh no without staff travel better make that Margate!
To finally get rid of the BASSA hardcore militants who think BA owe them a lifestyle as they cower beneath a blanket of hardcore industrial protectionism.
Hoping that WW stands firm and while the moderate crew members come in and break the strike, the militants are left out in the cold fumbling with the wording of the terms and conditions of the New Fleet which will be the next contract these militants end up working under.
Shame on BASSA leadership for distorting the representation of the majority of crew, sacrificing the needs of the masses for the selfish needs of those at the top. I hope they enjoy their next holiday in Maritius, oh no without staff travel better make that Margate!
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I have just flown two sectors with BA across the Atlantic, and I have this to say; that I have never flown with such professional and considerate cabin crew. Yes, many of them had their sell by date in roman numerals, but boy oh boy did they know their job, and did it very well. You will never get such service from someone 'trained' to do the job. You train dogs, not humans.
What BA senior management have done wrong in this dispute is to attempt to demonise all cabin crew, including those that do an excellent job; as with all things in life this will rebound. That has been a very wrong thing to do.
It has been an utter disgrace to publish crews allowances in the red top press, and has blatantly shown how low the management of the company is prepared to sink.
BA management will win this dispute, of that I have no doubt. But, I do wonder what worth they will be afterwards; who will trust them?
Things have a nasty and inevitable habit of coming around and going around, and this will happen, absolutely and for dead sure.
What BA senior management have done wrong in this dispute is to attempt to demonise all cabin crew, including those that do an excellent job; as with all things in life this will rebound. That has been a very wrong thing to do.
It has been an utter disgrace to publish crews allowances in the red top press, and has blatantly shown how low the management of the company is prepared to sink.
BA management will win this dispute, of that I have no doubt. But, I do wonder what worth they will be afterwards; who will trust them?
Things have a nasty and inevitable habit of coming around and going around, and this will happen, absolutely and for dead sure.
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It has been an utter disgrace to publish crews allowances in the red top press
It was BASSA themselves (and some CC via various interviews/YouTube videos etc) who claimed that CC only earned £12-£14k. They neglected to mention that this was a basic wage and that you get allowances on top.
Being economical with the truth will always come back and bite you especially when, as in the case of BASSA, you are not clever enough to pull the wool over peoples eyes.
If BASSA want to try to make mileage out of factually incorrect claims, they have to accept that it is wholly apporpriate for the truth to be told.
Your beef should be with your useless union leadership... have you not worked this out yet?
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They may have had their sell by date in roman numerals, but remember BA hire the old as well as the young, and those crew were 'trained' to do the job too, possibly quite recently.
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And of course they were trained in their role. Any volunteers will be equally professional and considerate, if not quite so slick in the first couple of trips.
Glad you agree, so what's the point in destroying your union by going on strike then?
Or are you simply relying on 'Fate'?
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Hi Sussex 2,
I'm delighted you had such a positive experience with BA - people are always eager to find fault, but not so quick to give praise where it's due.
I would dispute your premise that BA have demonized crew. At no time have I heard anything other than praise for crew from the company. The problem IMHO is BASSA demonizing BA, to the point that they are truly considered demons by crew.
I think the real devils in all of this are BASSA themselves. They have spouted poison for years and years, and created the stupid situation we all fins ourselves in now.
Hopefully within a few short weeks, this will all be over, and nobody will have cause to put the great service BA and it's employees offer in the context of industrial unrest.
I'm delighted you had such a positive experience with BA - people are always eager to find fault, but not so quick to give praise where it's due.
I would dispute your premise that BA have demonized crew. At no time have I heard anything other than praise for crew from the company. The problem IMHO is BASSA demonizing BA, to the point that they are truly considered demons by crew.
I think the real devils in all of this are BASSA themselves. They have spouted poison for years and years, and created the stupid situation we all fins ourselves in now.
Hopefully within a few short weeks, this will all be over, and nobody will have cause to put the great service BA and it's employees offer in the context of industrial unrest.
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You will never get such service from someone 'trained' to do the job.
