British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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The bit on page 7 about money in and money out. I was trying to explain where I got my figures from, that I made in an earlier post, where I said £1.3b. I read my figures in a previous thread, but the link sort of backs it up, give or take the odd £150m, but that sort of error seems to be what analysts work on.
I also read somewhere on Pprune (or another site debating BA), where a comment was made about the deficit as it is commonly known now and what it actually is, due to growth in the world wide economy.
I also read somewhere on Pprune (or another site debating BA), where a comment was made about the deficit as it is commonly known now and what it actually is, due to growth in the world wide economy.
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BASSAA Jumps the gun?
As I understand it, nobody has actually gone on strike yet - ergo no-one yet can properly be called by such names. That description equally cannot be placed at the door of non-Bassa crew either.
The erudition exhibited above surely cannot be the product of a truly qualified cabin crew person, - er...can it?
As I understand it, nobody has actually gone on strike yet - ergo no-one yet can properly be called by such names. That description equally cannot be placed at the door of non-Bassa crew either.
The erudition exhibited above surely cannot be the product of a truly qualified cabin crew person, - er...can it?
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BA will let us know nearer the time all the safety measures that will be in place.
Don't let the loons get you down.
Somefolks need to be clear about the consequences of this overt campaign attempting to intimidate people willing to work/volunteer during potential industrial action.
Any reports of people being named or targeted in a similar way are being investigated as a disciplinary offence. Anyone who passes on personal details in an unauthorised manner (i.e. contrary to any company procedures) will be at risk of dismissal. The police are already involved.
All the above is direct from company management. The militant die-hards who perpetrate this nonsense are going to get their collars felt ..... big time!
Any reports of people being named or targeted in a similar way are being investigated as a disciplinary offence. Anyone who passes on personal details in an unauthorised manner (i.e. contrary to any company procedures) will be at risk of dismissal. The police are already involved.
All the above is direct from company management. The militant die-hards who perpetrate this nonsense are going to get their collars felt ..... big time!
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Thank you all for your comments,
Believe it or not threats do not worry me in the slightest. I have been threatened by significantly scarier groups of people than these.
I find the threats sad. I believe in many things including the right of people to go on strike along with the right to carry on working if you so desire.
What I do not agree with are threats, intimidation, bullying, lying, selfishness, greed and attempting to destroy a company, thus ruining the lives of thousands who depend upon their jobs to live the lives they do.
As a non BA employee maybe others might wish to forward the data from my posting to relevant persons.
Hval
Believe it or not threats do not worry me in the slightest. I have been threatened by significantly scarier groups of people than these.
I find the threats sad. I believe in many things including the right of people to go on strike along with the right to carry on working if you so desire.
What I do not agree with are threats, intimidation, bullying, lying, selfishness, greed and attempting to destroy a company, thus ruining the lives of thousands who depend upon their jobs to live the lives they do.
As a non BA employee maybe others might wish to forward the data from my posting to relevant persons.
Hval
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For those who are interested, this is the flyer that the union sent out (via postal mail) to their members regarding the PCCC. It's obviously a work of fiction, and none of the contents are true.
Hopefully, the link will work. It's from a picture hosting website.
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Hopefully, the link will work. It's from a picture hosting website.
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..."We have a high number of ****S address details,telephone numbers and car details. BTW. DON't EAT ANYTHING YOU WILL BE SERVED ONBOARD. BRING YOUR OWN FOOD IN FUTURE ****. "
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SLF here. BA is as big a part of me as being British is, despite it's problems. It has, to me, represented much that is good about the U.K.
I am shortly tavelling, with you, to Brazil, and despite the uncertainty of action or otherwise, I have absolutely no intention of changing my booking to another airline. I have travelled with most of the transatlantic Airlines out of Heathrow and Gatwick, and always feel very happy to be travelling on the icon that is BA.
To the F'As deciding to continue working, all the best to you. To the potential strikers.... WAKE UP TO MODERN ECONOMICS!!!!!!
I am shortly tavelling, with you, to Brazil, and despite the uncertainty of action or otherwise, I have absolutely no intention of changing my booking to another airline. I have travelled with most of the transatlantic Airlines out of Heathrow and Gatwick, and always feel very happy to be travelling on the icon that is BA.
To the F'As deciding to continue working, all the best to you. To the potential strikers.... WAKE UP TO MODERN ECONOMICS!!!!!!
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Well said. Let us all support BA during these difficult times. I firmly believe that in the end, good will triumph over evil.
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For those who are interested, this is the flyer that the union sent out (via postal mail) to their members regarding the PCCC. It's obviously a work of fiction, and none of the contents are true.
Hopefully, the link will work. It's from a picture hosting website.
scan0007.jpg picture by godsgift_album - Photobucket
Gg
Hopefully, the link will work. It's from a picture hosting website.
scan0007.jpg picture by godsgift_album - Photobucket
Gg
http://unitetheunion.com/pdf/021-BAS...2010revweb.pdf
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JEM, likewise.
I booked my flights for my holiday in March with BA.
I won't be intimidated into booking with another airline: the company needs more of us to affirm our support for the standard that is BA.
I booked my flights for my holiday in March with BA.
I won't be intimidated into booking with another airline: the company needs more of us to affirm our support for the standard that is BA.
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Saturday's Telegraph comment:
Out of interest I thought that the following quote may be pertinent.
Please note that these are the comments of Alistair Osborne, Daily Telegraph.
That's why, whatever union Unite claims, BA must press on with the changes it wants to working practices. The carrier is still heading for record pre-tax losses – say £600m – this year, with little prospect of turning a healthy profit the following one.
As nimbler rivals, notably Ryanair and easyJet, chip away at BA's short-haul network, Walsh has to ensure that the airline's core business – suits flying long-haul – is extra competitive. That means more change – whether the trolley brigade like it or not. They should ask why Walsh would back down now, especially with £2bn of cash in the hold to ride out any storm.
Few employees relish being asked to work differently. So a bit of air-rage from the cabin crew is understandable. But they shouldn't go too far. Naomi tried that with BA – and got carted off the plane in handcuffs.
As nimbler rivals, notably Ryanair and easyJet, chip away at BA's short-haul network, Walsh has to ensure that the airline's core business – suits flying long-haul – is extra competitive. That means more change – whether the trolley brigade like it or not. They should ask why Walsh would back down now, especially with £2bn of cash in the hold to ride out any storm.
Few employees relish being asked to work differently. So a bit of air-rage from the cabin crew is understandable. But they shouldn't go too far. Naomi tried that with BA – and got carted off the plane in handcuffs.
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According to the BASSA forum:
4 x WW and 4 x EF crew have been suspended from BA (as of today) and taken off their trips and told to bring a TU rep with them for a disciplinary meeting.
I hope that BA are now starting to crack down on this now.
About time.
AD
4 x WW and 4 x EF crew have been suspended from BA (as of today) and taken off their trips and told to bring a TU rep with them for a disciplinary meeting.
I hope that BA are now starting to crack down on this now.
About time.
AD
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Any reason given for the suspension
I guess we shall know more later.
AD
Although I thoroughly object to the term SLF, that is what I have been for many years - through most of which I have flown happily on numerous airlines other than BA. However, following this unhappy - yet riveting - saga, and having many friends and contacts on both BA flight decks and as CC - I have to say I have been moved to encourage my business to book BA as long as good deals can be struck (and increasingly they can). V. happy to anticipate flights staffed half by practised pros, half by volunteers - they could be fun. I am a little concerned by potential militant CC/volunteer FD frictions jeopardising safety standards, but confident professionalism and common sense on both sides will prevail - we're all aboard the same toothpaste tube, after all.
So what really tipped me into telling our travel people to try BA first, regardless? The kind of militant internet communications I've just been shown this morning by a moderate CC member. Posting them here unexpurgated I guess would get me banned - I'm only an interested bystander in any case - but what kind of twisted self-interest and warped sense of entitlement generates this kind of material?
As in: "You want to **** Willie's ****!!!! The thought of his **** **** inside your ***** ********* makes your ****** ****** *** soooo *****!!!! Good for you that you love him soo much!!!".
(MY APOLOGIES but surely this exemplifies an indisciplined mindset which a long respected and respectable community would have long since clamped down upon?).
All I can say is that I hope such misplaced militant effort scores an emphatic home goal. It has with me. BA bookings have been made. (all usual disclaimers). Good luck to all of you BA types who appreciate that you are our national flag carrier - and who act accordingly. Thanks.
iwalkedaway
So what really tipped me into telling our travel people to try BA first, regardless? The kind of militant internet communications I've just been shown this morning by a moderate CC member. Posting them here unexpurgated I guess would get me banned - I'm only an interested bystander in any case - but what kind of twisted self-interest and warped sense of entitlement generates this kind of material?
As in: "You want to **** Willie's ****!!!! The thought of his **** **** inside your ***** ********* makes your ****** ****** *** soooo *****!!!! Good for you that you love him soo much!!!".
(MY APOLOGIES but surely this exemplifies an indisciplined mindset which a long respected and respectable community would have long since clamped down upon?).
All I can say is that I hope such misplaced militant effort scores an emphatic home goal. It has with me. BA bookings have been made. (all usual disclaimers). Good luck to all of you BA types who appreciate that you are our national flag carrier - and who act accordingly. Thanks.
iwalkedaway
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