British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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"As you will already be aware our union has taken the decision not to disrupt people’s Easter travel plans if we reluctantly have to take industrial action..........."
"We are you union, you make the decisions"
"We are you union, you make the decisions"
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more bassa tripe.........
All companies need a healthy bottom line.......
Fuel price hedging misjudgment = £400m
Price Fixing amount set aside for Fines = £350m
Class action law suit settlement 0ver fuel surcharge = $203m
cargo price fixing fines Canada = $4.2m
cargo price fixing fines Australia = £2.5m
Golden handshake for those held accountable for price fixing = £1.6m
T5 opening debacle = £100m
CEO Basic Salary = £750k + bonuses
Revenue already lost due to Christmas dispute = £20m
Pension deficit = £3.7 billion
Imposed Removal of a cabin crew member = £31m
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2.6% pay-cut offered by cabin crew = £17.59m Refused by BA
Two-year pay freeze offered by cabin crew = £28m Refused by BA
Meal expenses freeze offered by cabin crew = £6m Refused by BA
Pilots total cost saving contribution = £26m Accepted by BA
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Onboard service, product and crew reduced to low-cost carrier levels and damage caused to the reputation and prestige of British Airways?
... Priceless.
Who is really ruining British Airways?
*All figures sourced from national and international media reports available on line.
Fuel price hedging misjudgment = £400m
Price Fixing amount set aside for Fines = £350m
Class action law suit settlement 0ver fuel surcharge = $203m
cargo price fixing fines Canada = $4.2m
cargo price fixing fines Australia = £2.5m
Golden handshake for those held accountable for price fixing = £1.6m
T5 opening debacle = £100m
CEO Basic Salary = £750k + bonuses
Revenue already lost due to Christmas dispute = £20m
Pension deficit = £3.7 billion
Imposed Removal of a cabin crew member = £31m
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2.6% pay-cut offered by cabin crew = £17.59m Refused by BA
Two-year pay freeze offered by cabin crew = £28m Refused by BA
Meal expenses freeze offered by cabin crew = £6m Refused by BA
Pilots total cost saving contribution = £26m Accepted by BA
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Onboard service, product and crew reduced to low-cost carrier levels and damage caused to the reputation and prestige of British Airways?
... Priceless.
Who is really ruining British Airways?
*All figures sourced from national and international media reports available on line.
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Yet More Bassa - Final Death Throes Of A Dying Union
Is voting NO the easy option?
Tomorrow, your 2010 ballot papers will begin to arrive; we have been here before, but this time it’s different - and a little bit harder.
We are crew, the same as you, and we pick up the vibe that some of you may be considering voting NO this time around. We are realistic enough to know that this will be a difficult decision; some people may get cold feet and others are perhaps beginning to think that voting NO would be the easier option.
Maybe they feel that they want to save their YES vote for the next time; that’s okay, but just be aware that there won’t be a next time.
Frankly, we can understand why you are scared. The intimidation that you’re facing is unprecedented. It’s understandable that the pressure you have been subjected to begins to take effect. The negative press alone takes its toll on you - but be heartened, there is support for our cause, and the more hard-line and dogmatic BA acts, the more sympathetic the press and public becomes.
BA has a clear bullying and harassment policy, although clearly this protection does not extend to cabin crew who have been set up by the company as fair game for anybody with a view; our colleagues within BA, the general public, passengers, radio phone-ins, internet polls - you name it.
They are desperate to break you, no matter what the cost.
They have allegedly directly funded a third union to weaken you.
They have hired expert strike breaking consultants.
They have staked everything on a massive publicity stunt to recruit colleagues from around BA to try and break any strike.
They have threatened to take away your pay, your staff travel and down grade your hotels if you dare to go on a perfectly legal strike, not a new tactic, the same threats were used in 1997.
All this over for one crew member off an aircraft and imposition? We think not; this is for a far bigger prize - the destruction of a proud, confident, unionised crew. In December they tried and failed to win your hearts and minds, this time as we predicted, they are beginning to show their true colours, this time they just want to bully you.
Think how they will treat you in the future, if this “fear and threat” tactic works? This will be only the beginning. Thankfully we have now seen their true face and we still can do something about it.
If BA put as much effort and resources into finding a fair solution to this conflict, then we would not be in the situation that we now find ourselves.
If you do vote No, nobody will blame you, but one day you just might blame yourself. Do not be under the illusion that we will all live to fight another day, we won’t. Your days as a strong, unionised workforce will be numbered.
BA is desperate to shut your union down, silence your voice, remove your protections and tear up your agreements. If we lose they may just have won.
We will rebuild, reorganise and ‘fight the good fight’ as best as we can but they will have seen a weakness and will exploit it to the full. These people are not messing around, they are deadly serious. Our agreements are now ignored on a daily, if not hourly basis; if we protest we are ignored. Your reps - the ones that are not suspended - can no longer properly represent you. Have no doubt, this is an absolutely determined attempt to shut your union down - and if you let them, they will do it.
Do you honestly think that if we lose this ballot, that from that day onwards, BA will respect you and/or your union again?
“But they can’t do that” is often posted on our forums. Really? Who’s going to stop them?
You can vote NO of course, it’s your choice, but it certainly isn’t the easy or cheap option, and in the future your vote will have cost you more dearly than you could ever imagine. For in the future, we will all truly reap what we now sow; your working life, standard of living and lifestyle as you currently know it would be over.
It’s up to you....
Tomorrow, your 2010 ballot papers will begin to arrive; we have been here before, but this time it’s different - and a little bit harder.
We are crew, the same as you, and we pick up the vibe that some of you may be considering voting NO this time around. We are realistic enough to know that this will be a difficult decision; some people may get cold feet and others are perhaps beginning to think that voting NO would be the easier option.
Maybe they feel that they want to save their YES vote for the next time; that’s okay, but just be aware that there won’t be a next time.
Frankly, we can understand why you are scared. The intimidation that you’re facing is unprecedented. It’s understandable that the pressure you have been subjected to begins to take effect. The negative press alone takes its toll on you - but be heartened, there is support for our cause, and the more hard-line and dogmatic BA acts, the more sympathetic the press and public becomes.
BA has a clear bullying and harassment policy, although clearly this protection does not extend to cabin crew who have been set up by the company as fair game for anybody with a view; our colleagues within BA, the general public, passengers, radio phone-ins, internet polls - you name it.
They are desperate to break you, no matter what the cost.
They have allegedly directly funded a third union to weaken you.
They have hired expert strike breaking consultants.
They have staked everything on a massive publicity stunt to recruit colleagues from around BA to try and break any strike.
They have threatened to take away your pay, your staff travel and down grade your hotels if you dare to go on a perfectly legal strike, not a new tactic, the same threats were used in 1997.
All this over for one crew member off an aircraft and imposition? We think not; this is for a far bigger prize - the destruction of a proud, confident, unionised crew. In December they tried and failed to win your hearts and minds, this time as we predicted, they are beginning to show their true colours, this time they just want to bully you.
Think how they will treat you in the future, if this “fear and threat” tactic works? This will be only the beginning. Thankfully we have now seen their true face and we still can do something about it.
If BA put as much effort and resources into finding a fair solution to this conflict, then we would not be in the situation that we now find ourselves.
If you do vote No, nobody will blame you, but one day you just might blame yourself. Do not be under the illusion that we will all live to fight another day, we won’t. Your days as a strong, unionised workforce will be numbered.
BA is desperate to shut your union down, silence your voice, remove your protections and tear up your agreements. If we lose they may just have won.
We will rebuild, reorganise and ‘fight the good fight’ as best as we can but they will have seen a weakness and will exploit it to the full. These people are not messing around, they are deadly serious. Our agreements are now ignored on a daily, if not hourly basis; if we protest we are ignored. Your reps - the ones that are not suspended - can no longer properly represent you. Have no doubt, this is an absolutely determined attempt to shut your union down - and if you let them, they will do it.
Do you honestly think that if we lose this ballot, that from that day onwards, BA will respect you and/or your union again?
“But they can’t do that” is often posted on our forums. Really? Who’s going to stop them?
You can vote NO of course, it’s your choice, but it certainly isn’t the easy or cheap option, and in the future your vote will have cost you more dearly than you could ever imagine. For in the future, we will all truly reap what we now sow; your working life, standard of living and lifestyle as you currently know it would be over.
It’s up to you....
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The only concession they have offered is the reduction in the 2 nights down-route after a diversion.
They want everything else to return to pre-imposition levels. They want to restrict the number of fare paying passengers we carry to do it.
And they want to have a nightstop in SNN for crew operating the LCY-JFK service (currently being operated happily by LGW crew).
A smarter than average chimp could probably tell you that this will increase costs above pre-imposition levels!!!
Just when you think BASSA couldn't be any more stupid they go and do something like this. You honestly couldn't make it up!!!!
Sorry, but its time to stop tip-toeing around this - anyone who votes YES is an idiot. End of story.
They want everything else to return to pre-imposition levels. They want to restrict the number of fare paying passengers we carry to do it.
And they want to have a nightstop in SNN for crew operating the LCY-JFK service (currently being operated happily by LGW crew).
A smarter than average chimp could probably tell you that this will increase costs above pre-imposition levels!!!
Just when you think BASSA couldn't be any more stupid they go and do something like this. You honestly couldn't make it up!!!!
Sorry, but its time to stop tip-toeing around this - anyone who votes YES is an idiot. End of story.
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A link to the STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL document..........in the public domain.......
http://www.bassa.co.uk/bassa/downloa...rwardcombi.pdf
http://www.bassa.co.uk/bassa/downloa...rwardcombi.pdf
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Quote: We will not place any pre-conditions on possible solutions; we will examine all options including integrated crew / new fleet - if they allow for the removal of impositions.
So the removal of the imposition and getting the crew member back IS A PRE-CONDITION from Unite's side. Why try and make it out to be otherwise by saying they won't ''place'' any pre-conditions on talks.
What a crap statement. Trying to tug at the heart strings of the unsure voters. Listen guys/girls: we really are doing everything, it's Big Bad BA who is at fault.
I'm sure the estimated cost savings are tripled again to make sure Crew believe how much they are giving back
PWC anyone?
So the removal of the imposition and getting the crew member back IS A PRE-CONDITION from Unite's side. Why try and make it out to be otherwise by saying they won't ''place'' any pre-conditions on talks.
What a crap statement. Trying to tug at the heart strings of the unsure voters. Listen guys/girls: we really are doing everything, it's Big Bad BA who is at fault.
I'm sure the estimated cost savings are tripled again to make sure Crew believe how much they are giving back
PWC anyone?
We BA crew 'made our bed so should lie in it' - so why should BA pull the sheets from underneath us? As you say, we signed up for it, so why should it be changed?
Sorry, I sort of promised not to raise the S.T. issue again on this thread - I couldn't resist that tho' !!
I accept that S.T. is very small beer in the present situation, my interjection is to assure you from personal experience that BA CANNOT be trusted to keep their word.
Best of Luck.
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``Initial proposals from both Unite and British Airways - aimed at finding a long term resolution to our dispute at talks with the TUC last week - are available for you to view by clicking on the links at the end of this article.``
Can someone please copy and post the proposals so we can all be fully informed?
``Initial proposals from both Unite and British Airways - aimed at finding a long term resolution to our dispute at talks with the TUC last week - are available for you to view by clicking on the links at the end of this article.``
Can someone please copy and post the proposals so we can all be fully informed?
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Thanks for the cross-postings, everyone.
My comments below ...
My comments below ...
They are desperate to break you, no matter what the cost.
BA has to, otherwise the Company goes bust.
They have allegedly directly funded a third union to weaken you.Allegedly.
They have hired expert strike breaking consultants.BA is very naughty for using experts. BASSA prefers inept amateurs?
They have staked everything on a massive publicity stunt to recruit colleagues from around BA to try and break any strike.BA is not running a publicity stunt, but trying to run an airline.
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It sounds like the cardiac surgeon who was in attendance was giving the correct advice to stop after 20 mins, but no, the cabin crew knew better and the consequences are there to be seen.
If cabin crew are so keen to discuss their successes, they should be careful that no-one questions their performance in SEP training exercises where most pilots see regular horror stories when they are involved. Would the press want to known that Bassa forbid any repeating of emergency scenarios when cabin crew get it wrong? That people who get claustrophobic in a smoke hood get away without repeatng the exercise after failing to put it on?Pilots have such tight tolerances and have to repeat or retrain any deviation from the correct performance standard that this lack of rigour comes as a shock to us.
It's not as if such low standards are confined to training, I've seen actual CPR messed up by a panic stricken csd, who had to be sent away to the galley by me.
I then saw him a year later in sep saying he only wanted to take part in the scenarios as a main crew member as 'it is so long since I've done that'.
I tries to advise the trainers but they said there's nothing they could do.
Once you start introducing the safety angle, you're treading a dangrous path.
If cabin crew are so keen to discuss their successes, they should be careful that no-one questions their performance in SEP training exercises where most pilots see regular horror stories when they are involved. Would the press want to known that Bassa forbid any repeating of emergency scenarios when cabin crew get it wrong? That people who get claustrophobic in a smoke hood get away without repeatng the exercise after failing to put it on?Pilots have such tight tolerances and have to repeat or retrain any deviation from the correct performance standard that this lack of rigour comes as a shock to us.
It's not as if such low standards are confined to training, I've seen actual CPR messed up by a panic stricken csd, who had to be sent away to the galley by me.
I then saw him a year later in sep saying he only wanted to take part in the scenarios as a main crew member as 'it is so long since I've done that'.
I tries to advise the trainers but they said there's nothing they could do.
Once you start introducing the safety angle, you're treading a dangrous path.
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Advice for the perplexed, please
Can someone please explain to me what "capping first class" means in the context of this dispute?
Does this mean placing a physical limit on the number of full fare paying passengers in the first class cabin, thereby limiting much needed revenue?
Or does this mean reducing the level of in-flight service offered to first class pax?
Does this mean placing a physical limit on the number of full fare paying passengers in the first class cabin, thereby limiting much needed revenue?
Or does this mean reducing the level of in-flight service offered to first class pax?
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Good morning guys and girls
Having read the posts that have been submitted since my last addition, I feel I just need to repeat a few things here.
Firstly, I have never said that BA crew are better than any others - that is, however, a line used by the company very often. And i must say that I think that our recruitment team do a brillian job in ensuring that they chosoe the very best people for the job.
Whoever it was who said something along the lines of "if you don't like it, there is always the OU" - I take offence here. As I am sure many of our regular travellers are aware, BA crew are not there simply because they can do nothing other than push a trolley - there are many highly qualified people in our ranks - I, for one, have a First Class Honours from Bristol University in Philosophy and Economis. I have flown with doctors, lawyers, and many other highly skilled people. We do the job because we want to and because we enjoy it - not because we are incapable of doing anything else.
The point about sick pay and holiday pay - I admit that my post was perhaps a little misleading, however, the fact remains that I can never afford to take more than 2 days of leave a month because my basic, after tax is just shy of £800.
Reliability - I didn't mean to upset anyone, but as someone has already mentionned - we can't stroll in late and carry on as if nothing happened.
As for my pay and allowances - please please don't believe what is published in the press - I DO NOT earn anywhere near £25,000 p/a!
Please be reminded, that I am a 'no' voter - I do not support the strike in any way - and I have already spoken to my manager to volunteer to help in the terminals when I am not flying - but I will not let this turn into an all-out attack on the terms and conditions of a mostly loyal and hard-working workforce.
Having read the posts that have been submitted since my last addition, I feel I just need to repeat a few things here.
Firstly, I have never said that BA crew are better than any others - that is, however, a line used by the company very often. And i must say that I think that our recruitment team do a brillian job in ensuring that they chosoe the very best people for the job.
Whoever it was who said something along the lines of "if you don't like it, there is always the OU" - I take offence here. As I am sure many of our regular travellers are aware, BA crew are not there simply because they can do nothing other than push a trolley - there are many highly qualified people in our ranks - I, for one, have a First Class Honours from Bristol University in Philosophy and Economis. I have flown with doctors, lawyers, and many other highly skilled people. We do the job because we want to and because we enjoy it - not because we are incapable of doing anything else.
The point about sick pay and holiday pay - I admit that my post was perhaps a little misleading, however, the fact remains that I can never afford to take more than 2 days of leave a month because my basic, after tax is just shy of £800.
Reliability - I didn't mean to upset anyone, but as someone has already mentionned - we can't stroll in late and carry on as if nothing happened.
As for my pay and allowances - please please don't believe what is published in the press - I DO NOT earn anywhere near £25,000 p/a!
Please be reminded, that I am a 'no' voter - I do not support the strike in any way - and I have already spoken to my manager to volunteer to help in the terminals when I am not flying - but I will not let this turn into an all-out attack on the terms and conditions of a mostly loyal and hard-working workforce.
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Midman - the crew had no choice but to continue for 30 mins. regardless of the advice of the medical professional. Whilst in the air, it is the crew who are in charge of the medical situation - not the professional, and our training stipulates that we MUST continue for 30 mins.
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Midman - the CPR topic has been closed by the moderators as it is not appropriate to this thread.
Regarding comments on AVMED standards, it is equally inappropriate on a public forum so I suggest you go through the correct channels internally if you feel this way.
Regarding comments on AVMED standards, it is equally inappropriate on a public forum so I suggest you go through the correct channels internally if you feel this way.
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I really get a sense that there is a lot of dis-respect for our profession on this forum. Can we please try and be less offensive and realise that all jobs on-board the plane are important. We are there as a team and without both the pilots and the cabin crew, the plane would not be able to go anywhere. I do think that experience is very important and don't agree that after a few days training a volunteer will be able to do the job to the usually expected standard. However - I praise all of you who are volunteering and hope to fly with you during any period of I.A.
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Midman - I would also question your credentials if you did not know what BACrewboy has just pointed out - which has been repeated time and time again on here since the RIO incident first came to light. TOPIC CLOSED!
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Unfortunately BACrewBoy there is and it is disguised by pople saying they´re just BASSA bashing. That won´t encourage crew to vote NO either - it might just push them the other way which would be very regrettable.