British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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I must admit I thought it was 36% at present.
So what does it mean? Taking £1000 of meal allowances:
At present:
36% taxable (or 35%) at marginal rate of say 25%
£360 x 25% = £90 tax, £910 in pocket.
From 1st Feb:
59% taxable at marginal rate
£590 x 25% = £147.50 tax, £852.50 in pocket.
£57.50 worse off per £1000 allowances. Most LH cc will be about £100 per month out of pocket.
Reasons for this given previously. Well done BASSA, Lizanne Baloney and crew.
So what does it mean? Taking £1000 of meal allowances:
At present:
36% taxable (or 35%) at marginal rate of say 25%
£360 x 25% = £90 tax, £910 in pocket.
From 1st Feb:
59% taxable at marginal rate
£590 x 25% = £147.50 tax, £852.50 in pocket.
£57.50 worse off per £1000 allowances. Most LH cc will be about £100 per month out of pocket.
Reasons for this given previously. Well done BASSA, Lizanne Baloney and crew.
Tiramisu
As I posted earlier. A WW Purser Lhr married to a colleague of mine added up her payslips for 12 months to Dec 2009. She is on 50% and totalled just under £28000 pay and allowances. She voted No to the Strike.
Factor this for 100% working and you get well over £40,000pa.
It defies belief that some people on this sort of remuneration, who are not about to loose their job, with some of the best, if not the best, conditions of c/c in the UK are dissatisfied with their lot, and are determined to attempt to bring their employer to its knees.
Factor this for 100% working and you get well over £40,000pa.
It defies belief that some people on this sort of remuneration, who are not about to loose their job, with some of the best, if not the best, conditions of c/c in the UK are dissatisfied with their lot, and are determined to attempt to bring their employer to its knees.
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To be honest I came to realise over the last three months that it's time to move on, the whole industry isn't what it was, times change I know. My niece spoke of becoming cc a few months ago and my advise was if she wanted to do it do a couple of years, live it up in a few great places around the world and bail out.
Also if apparently the average cc pay at BA has gone up from 29000 quoted in the media to 52000 I should be due a bl@@dy big payrise and I'm ok if the tax man has his share.
Also if apparently the average cc pay at BA has gone up from 29000 quoted in the media to 52000 I should be due a bl@@dy big payrise and I'm ok if the tax man has his share.
Also if apparently the average cc pay at BA has gone up from 29000 quoted in the media to 52000 I should be due a bl@@dy big payrise and I'm ok if the tax man has his share.
deeceethree
To clarify my post . This is just an example of a relativly senior crew members pay, not an average.
But it does show the sort of remuneration that BA c/c routinely receive compared to the 'competition'.
But it does show the sort of remuneration that BA c/c routinely receive compared to the 'competition'.
cessnapete,
My post was in response to Golden Tickets 'error' - I was merely pointing out that 'average cabin crew pay' is not the same as 'average CSD pay' - an important difference!
My post was in response to Golden Tickets 'error' - I was merely pointing out that 'average cabin crew pay' is not the same as 'average CSD pay' - an important difference!
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The CAA table you refer to shows airline costs, not salaries. That is, the total costs of employing each person in the relevant categories.
That said, the costs that BA faces from the Cabin Crew is double that of our closest UK competitor.
The CAA table you refer to shows airline costs, not salaries. That is, the total costs of employing each person in the relevant categories.
That said, the costs that BA faces from the Cabin Crew is double that of our closest UK competitor.
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Or it's possible they've been following the HRMC content in the last few days and realised that their incredibly poorly run union has rather dropped the ball.
Hopefully they will be at the meeting on the 18th to ask "Why did BASSA not negotiate as BALPA did?".
No fear of being shouted down or worse, just for asking that, surely?
Hopefully they will be at the meeting on the 18th to ask "Why did BASSA not negotiate as BALPA did?".
No fear of being shouted down or worse, just for asking that, surely?
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So BA Cabin Crew would you settle for:
All box payments amalgamated into salary.
An hourly rate for every hour airborne
An hourly rate for every hour away from base
This would mean it wouldn't matter where you went, but some destinations would lose, others gain. The tax rate would be lower though.
A new rostering agreement allowing electronic swaps and overtime work pick up, in exchange for protection at roster publication but the expectation by BA that you would work to legal limits on the day. Less MBTR as now you have 900 hour protection it isn't needed for full timers.
In other words the pilot's agreement.
We have run this for several years, and given we have over 3000 very stroppy individuals, there have been remarkably few complaints.
If BALPA always get a sweetheart agreement, ask yourselves why BASSA hierarchy aren't in favour of this?
All box payments amalgamated into salary.
An hourly rate for every hour airborne
An hourly rate for every hour away from base
This would mean it wouldn't matter where you went, but some destinations would lose, others gain. The tax rate would be lower though.
A new rostering agreement allowing electronic swaps and overtime work pick up, in exchange for protection at roster publication but the expectation by BA that you would work to legal limits on the day. Less MBTR as now you have 900 hour protection it isn't needed for full timers.
In other words the pilot's agreement.
We have run this for several years, and given we have over 3000 very stroppy individuals, there have been remarkably few complaints.
If BALPA always get a sweetheart agreement, ask yourselves why BASSA hierarchy aren't in favour of this?
.... ask yourselves why BASSA hierarchy aren't in favour of this?
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I can't think why that would have happened
how about work? Was that too hard to think?
have I missed much?
I see the debate has now moved, again, on salary.
Not really interested in that I am afraid, not because I don't want to talk about it but because we always seem to go around in a circle.
Bring on a new debate and I will be only to happy to participate.
take care
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The debate is on how well BASSA has served its membership on TAX, so not exactly on salary.
Some have been suggesting to cabin crew that BASSA renegotiate their package to be less disadvantaged by HMRC.
But you wish a new debate Romans44!
Some have been suggesting to cabin crew that BASSA renegotiate their package to be less disadvantaged by HMRC.
But you wish a new debate Romans44!
And the mention of tax is pertinent to this thread, because it is being used as an illustration to show how BASSA haven't pulled their fingers out in a matter the could have been influenced by a bit of hard work and sensible negotiation with HMRC. It is patently obvious that BASSA does not possess even basic skills in areas which should be its daily bread and butter!
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This isn't a discussion about pay, Romans, this is a discussion about Bassa's ability to represent its members effectively.
The macho posturing of the reps doesn't wash with people like the HMRC, and since the reps are only interested in giving BA a bloody nose, Bassa have ignored the problem. This issue has an immediate and material effect on cabin crew take home pay (and I don't believe you're not interested in that), and proper representation by a mature and capable union would have made a significant difference to the effect of this new tax rate.
Balpa reps spent a massive amount of effort, together with a couple of BA managers, to present a well-thought out case for HMRC to significantly increase the non-taxable element of allowances. It looked bad at first (similar to cabin crew's figures) but effective NEGOTIATION, together with sound research and a well presented case have resulted in me being about only about £7/month worse off.
How much are you worse off from next month, Romans? (Or MissM, Watersidewker etc)
The macho posturing of the reps doesn't wash with people like the HMRC, and since the reps are only interested in giving BA a bloody nose, Bassa have ignored the problem. This issue has an immediate and material effect on cabin crew take home pay (and I don't believe you're not interested in that), and proper representation by a mature and capable union would have made a significant difference to the effect of this new tax rate.
Balpa reps spent a massive amount of effort, together with a couple of BA managers, to present a well-thought out case for HMRC to significantly increase the non-taxable element of allowances. It looked bad at first (similar to cabin crew's figures) but effective NEGOTIATION, together with sound research and a well presented case have resulted in me being about only about £7/month worse off.
How much are you worse off from next month, Romans? (Or MissM, Watersidewker etc)