British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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"the company is still making money"......
Really? How do you work that one out?
BA hasn't made any money for many months.....
Look here
Mark, please could you answer this question:
How do you justify putting roughly 40,000 other people out of work?
Really? How do you work that one out?
BA hasn't made any money for many months.....
Look here
Mark, please could you answer this question:
How do you justify putting roughly 40,000 other people out of work?
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Markymark,
Thanks for the giggle old chap. Your work is harder because you only do it a third of the time? Priceless.
I assume your definition of making money is the one where the company loses in excess of £1 billion over two financial years then?
As I said, priceless.
MrB
Thanks for the giggle old chap. Your work is harder because you only do it a third of the time? Priceless.
I assume your definition of making money is the one where the company loses in excess of £1 billion over two financial years then?
As I said, priceless.
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the company (BA) is still making money
Indeed they are about to post record losses. Now were BA to be making money you would find that my position, and I suspect a few others also, would be very diffferent.
I would not support reducing staff numbers to place more cash directly into shareholders pockets, but alas thats a million miles away from where BA is today.
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the company is still making money
One way or another, market forces are going to bring about an adjustment to your T&Cs at BA. The question you need to ask yourself is what is the best approach to adopt so as to minimise any worsening in your T&Cs. It is pretty difficult to see a strike leading to BA's insolvency being the best option for you personally.
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MarkyMark,
In every walk of life employees have to make the same decision. Do the terms and conditions of my current/future employment match the requirements I have in terms of pay and lifestyle.
BA is not changing the pay but imposing an alteration on the work regime (this is NOT a strike about Newfleet).
What I find strange is that rather than do what every other employee would do and move your employment to somewhere/one that suits you better you feel the best course of action is to disable your current employer and so put at risk 40,000 jobs not to mention those of the associated sub contractors. Do you wonder why there is such resentment or why there is a growing 'scab' workforce?
If you feel your skills, time and general wellbeing are suited to another job then leave, that is your personal choice.
As for BA making money???? Are you another member of the company who thinks filled seats equates to profit? Good luck with your business.
Jazzy
In every walk of life employees have to make the same decision. Do the terms and conditions of my current/future employment match the requirements I have in terms of pay and lifestyle.
BA is not changing the pay but imposing an alteration on the work regime (this is NOT a strike about Newfleet).
What I find strange is that rather than do what every other employee would do and move your employment to somewhere/one that suits you better you feel the best course of action is to disable your current employer and so put at risk 40,000 jobs not to mention those of the associated sub contractors. Do you wonder why there is such resentment or why there is a growing 'scab' workforce?
If you feel your skills, time and general wellbeing are suited to another job then leave, that is your personal choice.
As for BA making money???? Are you another member of the company who thinks filled seats equates to profit? Good luck with your business.
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Markymark.
No, I am not trying to wind anybody up - it is fact. Why should I have to change my terms and conditions - the company is still making money,
and as I said I would rather it go bust, then work for an easyjet type lifestyle.
and as I said I would rather it go bust, then work for an easyjet type lifestyle.
Could you please explain how you come to this conclusion, particularly as the union refused to look at the books? Perhaps they thought they wouldn't understand them.
Did you really mean THEN work for any easyjet type?.......
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Hang on guys,
Maybe we have missed something!!! Maybe 'MarkyMark1234' knows something we don't!
MarkyMark1234, where did you get this info, I'd like to know please..... 'cos everything I'm seen/read says that BA is going to lose money this year (again BTW)...
So please at least a reference....
oh what's that you say?... BASSA told you!! oh well of course, then we really are making money!! thank god for that! and there I was getting worried!!!
SS
Maybe we have missed something!!! Maybe 'MarkyMark1234' knows something we don't!
MarkyMark1234, where did you get this info, I'd like to know please..... 'cos everything I'm seen/read says that BA is going to lose money this year (again BTW)...
So please at least a reference....
oh what's that you say?... BASSA told you!! oh well of course, then we really are making money!! thank god for that! and there I was getting worried!!!
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Marky, you have rather stuck your head up above the wall with that statement havent you old bean 
For your informatiion the BASSA forum is not a news organisation, I have a few links for you that are however, have a look at a few and your mind will be as broad as your mouth for future discussions: -
British Airways makes record loss of £292m | Business | guardian.co.uk
British Airways announces record loss - Channel 4 News
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...cord-loss.html
British Airways facing record losses | Global Crisis News
I could go on.....
For your informatiion the BASSA forum is not a news organisation, I have a few links for you that are however, have a look at a few and your mind will be as broad as your mouth for future discussions: -
British Airways makes record loss of £292m | Business | guardian.co.uk
British Airways announces record loss - Channel 4 News
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...cord-loss.html
British Airways facing record losses | Global Crisis News
I could go on.....
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If BA were as 'desperate' as they say they are, they would not have the luxury of 'wasting time' changing current terms and conditions. Nor would the CEO be on more money than the US President - FACT.
This is simply a good time in BAs eyes to ruin current terms and conditions forever. The cabin crew are BA. The sooner the company realises that the better.
This is simply a good time in BAs eyes to ruin current terms and conditions forever. The cabin crew are BA. The sooner the company realises that the better.
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Oh I get it...
BA regularly and habitually falsify their accounts and mislead the shareholders and stockmarket because they want to take a crew member off the aircraft!
I thought most people with a modicum of intelligence were wiser than to believe everything BASSA told them!!!
Jazzy
BA regularly and habitually falsify their accounts and mislead the shareholders and stockmarket because they want to take a crew member off the aircraft!
I thought most people with a modicum of intelligence were wiser than to believe everything BASSA told them!!!
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SORRY BUT I NEED TO SAY THIS ... who do you think you are ... i am a passenger and am able to read what is said on here ... i chose to register so that i can have some input and let you guys know how we as pax feel about what is going on but anyone can view these pages whether they register or not ... just remember that.
to hear (read) what a member of cc think of its employer in that it should go bust in these times is imo unbelieveable and i would hate to think that with an attitude like that that my life is in your hands when i fly BA.
PLEASE if you feel like that resign from BA you have that choice.
AS FOR BA making money, anyone can look at their financial postings and see that it makes a loss every second a plane is flying and loses more when it is on the ground (a plane only earns while it is flying).
to hear (read) what a member of cc think of its employer in that it should go bust in these times is imo unbelieveable and i would hate to think that with an attitude like that that my life is in your hands when i fly BA.
PLEASE if you feel like that resign from BA you have that choice.
AS FOR BA making money, anyone can look at their financial postings and see that it makes a loss every second a plane is flying and loses more when it is on the ground (a plane only earns while it is flying).
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Nor would the CEO be on more money than the US President - FACT.
I'll show you someone that's on a nice earner if you want to go down that path though -- Trade union chief used £399-a-night Waldorf suite to save himself 35-minute journey home | Mail Online
I'll give you the headlines though if you dont want to read the lot - In 2007, the last year for which figures are available, Mr Simpson (your union) is revealed as earning a £105,217 salary, plus further benefits including £13,333 for a car and £24,070 in pension contributions. Also a free £800,000 house, expenses galore I would imagine also?
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Cabin Crew are BA? Whilst you are having a cup of tea and crew sandwich waiting for pax, have you ever noticed those hundreds of non Cabin Crew that are needed to get an aeroplane dispatched?
Sad thing is, I think you believe the statement as written. "Cabin crew are BA".
The cabin crew are BA. The sooner the company realises that the better.
Sad thing is, I think you believe the statement as written. "Cabin crew are BA".
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"The cabin crew are BA."
No they're not. It's the route network, the location of its hub, the fleet, the reputation for safety, the hard product, the frequent flyer programme, the contracts with corporate clients, marketing, the lounges...
No they're not. It's the route network, the location of its hub, the fleet, the reputation for safety, the hard product, the frequent flyer programme, the contracts with corporate clients, marketing, the lounges...
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We´re once again at the stage where many of you believe that the rules you agreed to when you joined PPRuNe, do not actually apply to you when you write something ´vitally important´. 
So for the umpteenth time; they do.
Refresh your knowledge of the site and forum rules, and stick to them.
We not here to babysit an anonymous group of feral toddlers.
Get your act together, all of you, or lose your posting privileges.
To the entire PPRuNe site.
So for the umpteenth time; they do.
Refresh your knowledge of the site and forum rules, and stick to them.
We not here to babysit an anonymous group of feral toddlers.
Get your act together, all of you, or lose your posting privileges.
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Markymark1234.....
I asked about your pay and how many days you work to ascertain your veracity and to verify your integrity as a serious poster as much you say seems to be delberately ignorant an all-too-obviously incendiary/inflammatory....I also wanted to see whether you would deny what I already know, as I am friends with a 33percenter.
You get paid £26,000 per year for your 33% and your flying hours, the ones where you are working 'productively' for BA are so low as to make a mockery of calling it a 'flying' job.
Average BA shorthaul flying hours (100% contract) is approx 500 per year for cabin crew- only just over HALF what every other airline gets out of their crew. And the stats show how much more you get paid (double Virgin, 50% more than easyjet (which in real terms means you get paid OVER 3 times as much as easyjet cabin crew (your nearest uk pay rivals) on a level productivity field!!
With so much going for you, with such obvious areas where you cost the company money in wasteful and pointless inefficiency, HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER?!?! The really sad thing is that if your union had sat at the adults' table, that's all that would be happening, WITH NO LOSS OF PAY!!
Now BASSA have pointlessly wasted so much time and money, which was always going to be added to the CC cost savings target, keeping your Market leading Pay is no longer an option, and keeping your Market leading terms and conditions is an absolute impossibility.
You get paid £26,000 per year for your 33% and your flying hours, the ones where you are working 'productively' for BA are so low as to make a mockery of calling it a 'flying' job.
Average BA shorthaul flying hours (100% contract) is approx 500 per year for cabin crew- only just over HALF what every other airline gets out of their crew. And the stats show how much more you get paid (double Virgin, 50% more than easyjet (which in real terms means you get paid OVER 3 times as much as easyjet cabin crew (your nearest uk pay rivals) on a level productivity field!!
With so much going for you, with such obvious areas where you cost the company money in wasteful and pointless inefficiency, HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER?!?! The really sad thing is that if your union had sat at the adults' table, that's all that would be happening, WITH NO LOSS OF PAY!!
Now BASSA have pointlessly wasted so much time and money, which was always going to be added to the CC cost savings target, keeping your Market leading Pay is no longer an option, and keeping your Market leading terms and conditions is an absolute impossibility.
