Unbelted child - Family offloaded. Now what happens etc
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I had problem with air berlin when they would not provide a lap belt. I very nearly asked to come off but we were underway and I tried to rationalise the situation. The crew said I just had to hold her tight.
When I got back I wrote to the CAA and was told they could/would not deal with the matter as they were not a british carrier and that the issue of lap belts was down to individual airlines. After that, never flew airberlin again and in any event bought a seat and took the car seat with me. Worked well.
When I got back I wrote to the CAA and was told they could/would not deal with the matter as they were not a british carrier and that the issue of lap belts was down to individual airlines. After that, never flew airberlin again and in any event bought a seat and took the car seat with me. Worked well.
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Also been there, seen it and done it but just love the story! Sooooooo true!
Often wonder if these people are parents or depend on the 'nanny' to control the child until they step on board....then its over to the crew!
Often wonder if these people are parents or depend on the 'nanny' to control the child until they step on board....then its over to the crew!
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It's very sad that many parents can't, or won't, control their children these days and I think there's a direct link to why we have so many problems with teenagers nowadays. Maybe I'm getting old 
I'm sick of hearing "but they're only a child". Yes, and you're the parent so act like one.
I can only imagine how this child behaved on the flight - I feel very sorry for the crew and other passengers.
I'm sick of hearing "but they're only a child". Yes, and you're the parent so act like one.
I can only imagine how this child behaved on the flight - I feel very sorry for the crew and other passengers.
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Agree with Binman 62.
I have 3 kids, flown ca.200 sectors between the lot.
One or two nightmare sectors, most of the time it's hard work, but fine.
I want to say that Crew sometimes have no idea of the stress involved in just getting through the airport e.g. Security X-Raying the shoes of our 18 month infant. "Are you actually serious?" I asked holding the tiny shoes in my hand having finally removed them.
A little bit of common sense wouldn't go amis from Cabin Crew:
"You need to fasten your child's seat-belt!"
"But the engines are shut down and we're parked waiting for a take-off slot"
"The Captain has put the fasten seat-belt sign on!"
"OK, I will do, just give me half a minute" thinking, FFS you obviously have never travelled with kids...
I have 3 kids, flown ca.200 sectors between the lot.
One or two nightmare sectors, most of the time it's hard work, but fine.
I want to say that Crew sometimes have no idea of the stress involved in just getting through the airport e.g. Security X-Raying the shoes of our 18 month infant. "Are you actually serious?" I asked holding the tiny shoes in my hand having finally removed them.
A little bit of common sense wouldn't go amis from Cabin Crew:
"You need to fasten your child's seat-belt!"
"But the engines are shut down and we're parked waiting for a take-off slot"
"The Captain has put the fasten seat-belt sign on!"
"OK, I will do, just give me half a minute" thinking, FFS you obviously have never travelled with kids...
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Boomerang,
Thanks for the info, the family are off to Singapore mid year, my youngest will be three by then and in her own seat. Wonder if my employer will assist in getting one for me. As a trial! well if your in the industry it's worth a try
Failing that I'll get one anyway
Thanks for the info, the family are off to Singapore mid year, my youngest will be three by then and in her own seat. Wonder if my employer will assist in getting one for me. As a trial! well if your in the industry it's worth a try
Failing that I'll get one anyway
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Glad to help! Just be sure to check with the carrier that they'll accept them for use, I know they're approved in Oz & US but not sure about elsewhere... you are talking about the CARES, right?? Not sure if carriers can also impose their own restrictions so would be worth a check befoore outlaying the $$$$$
On another point, DCS99 I hear what you're saying about crew using common sense, but we do have very little leeway- letting you know the child must be fastened in isn't us being mean or stupid (we can see that Junior is throwing a hissy fit) but we need to cover ourselves if a CASA/FAA inspector is on board... the crew member could get in a lot of trouble for not reminding you about the seatbelt sign, even if it's obvious the kid is protesting loudly. In short, I sympathise with the situation but I also need to do my job, or I could lose it. We know you're doing the best you can in that case...
On another point, DCS99 I hear what you're saying about crew using common sense, but we do have very little leeway- letting you know the child must be fastened in isn't us being mean or stupid (we can see that Junior is throwing a hissy fit) but we need to cover ourselves if a CASA/FAA inspector is on board... the crew member could get in a lot of trouble for not reminding you about the seatbelt sign, even if it's obvious the kid is protesting loudly. In short, I sympathise with the situation but I also need to do my job, or I could lose it. We know you're doing the best you can in that case...
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I want to say that Crew sometimes have no idea of the stress involved in just getting through the airport e.g. Security X-Raying the shoes of our 18 month infant. "Are you actually serious?" I asked holding the tiny shoes in my hand having finally removed them.
A little bit of common sense wouldn't go amis from Cabin Crew:
"You need to fasten your child's seat-belt!"
"But the engines are shut down and we're parked waiting for a take-off slot"
"The Captain has put the fasten seat-belt sign on!"
"OK, I will do, just give me half a minute" thinking, FFS you obviously have never travelled with kids...
A little bit of common sense wouldn't go amis from Cabin Crew:
"You need to fasten your child's seat-belt!"
"But the engines are shut down and we're parked waiting for a take-off slot"
"The Captain has put the fasten seat-belt sign on!"
"OK, I will do, just give me half a minute" thinking, FFS you obviously have never travelled with kids...
