British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Although the strike may not last the full duration of the 12 days BA are already producing a new timetable to adapt to those situations with cancellations etc, and once the effected passengers are notified and refunded to book with another carrier, unfortunately this will have the same financial repocussions as the strike happening in the first place! 
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I heard that Virgin Galatic are now offering flights beyond low earth orbit even out as far as Planet BASSA.
BASSA's crazy leadership have 'gone nuclear' already and put the gun to their own head. BA won't/can't back down now so I think WW will be putting his finger on the trigger. 1-2-3-Fire being the operative phrase. Firing anyone who doesn't show on the 22nd is a simple solution; it gets rid of the most militant employees, they won't receive any VR/CR payments and the rest of the staff fall into line. The downside might be an issue in 2/3 years time but they've faced worse fines.
I feel sorry for the crew who were hoodwinked into voting yes simply as a protest vote. Never did they think they'd end up wearing donkey jackets and standing around burning braziers on a picket line through a Christmas of dissent.
It's the punters I feel sorry for.
BASSA's crazy leadership have 'gone nuclear' already and put the gun to their own head. BA won't/can't back down now so I think WW will be putting his finger on the trigger. 1-2-3-Fire being the operative phrase. Firing anyone who doesn't show on the 22nd is a simple solution; it gets rid of the most militant employees, they won't receive any VR/CR payments and the rest of the staff fall into line. The downside might be an issue in 2/3 years time but they've faced worse fines.
I feel sorry for the crew who were hoodwinked into voting yes simply as a protest vote. Never did they think they'd end up wearing donkey jackets and standing around burning braziers on a picket line through a Christmas of dissent.
It's the punters I feel sorry for.
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Once again BASSA/Unite are on a suicide mission!
If they honestly believe that the announcement of a 12 day strike over the entire holiday period is going to force BA back to the negotiating table with ONLY BASSA/Unite terms on discussion and NOT to the courts then they deserve everything they get.
Not a particularly strong return considering the level of emotive issue that BASSA portrayed.
I suppose many of us will now be working extra overtime over the Christmas period to ensure that our customers, our business and our futures survive.
If ANY CC come through the cockpit door in the future and ask for 5 minutes for a CAT payment they will get short shrift. I realise that most of you are good, hard working and very considerate people but your image has been dreadfully tarnished by out dated, over bearing and obstinate Union representation.
Next stop, Court for an Injunction and they watch BASSA/Unite bleed money as they pay BA's disruption costs whilst the rest of the Unions who collaborated with BA, understood the situation and safeguarded their memberships across the whole employment spectrum at BA watch on.
Support for BASSA/Unite? From the public, peers or colleagues?
Zero.
Muppets.
If they honestly believe that the announcement of a 12 day strike over the entire holiday period is going to force BA back to the negotiating table with ONLY BASSA/Unite terms on discussion and NOT to the courts then they deserve everything they get.
Not a particularly strong return considering the level of emotive issue that BASSA portrayed.
I suppose many of us will now be working extra overtime over the Christmas period to ensure that our customers, our business and our futures survive.
If ANY CC come through the cockpit door in the future and ask for 5 minutes for a CAT payment they will get short shrift. I realise that most of you are good, hard working and very considerate people but your image has been dreadfully tarnished by out dated, over bearing and obstinate Union representation.
Next stop, Court for an Injunction and they watch BASSA/Unite bleed money as they pay BA's disruption costs whilst the rest of the Unions who collaborated with BA, understood the situation and safeguarded their memberships across the whole employment spectrum at BA watch on.
Support for BASSA/Unite? From the public, peers or colleagues?
Zero.
Muppets.
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I'm sure he'll save the day
My guess is watch out for a monumentally political move from Mandy - how he and his "business friendly" goverment saved BA from the brink just on the eve of a snap election. I can see the headlines now.
WORRIED!!!!!!!!!!
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Round 2 to BASSA
BASSA gets reasonable support for strike action and calls a 12 day strike, which I have to admit I didn't see coming (2 or 3 days maybe) - I guess if your going to lead lemmings over a cliff it might as well be a very HIGH cliff!!
BASSA gets reasonable support for strike action and calls a 12 day strike, which I have to admit I didn't see coming (2 or 3 days maybe) - I guess if your going to lead lemmings over a cliff it might as well be a very HIGH cliff!!
IMHO, WW will make them go through with it. The crew will not walk out in significant numbers as losing a third of their pay will concentrate a lot of minds and BASSA will be put out of our misery. Not before time.
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So come on then ,BASSA, where are you? Why are you not posting anything on PPruNe? You have been very vocal in the past.
Oh, hang on. Is it the fact that you are now terrified of the monster that you have created, or is it that you have read people's reactions on this and other forums and you have now belatedly realised that you absolutely no support from anyone other than your own members whom you have disgracefully hoodwinked into action.
I feel very sorry for the rest of us employees that are left to clear up the mess, but even more sorry for the pax who have just had their Christmas ruined.
Shame on you BASSA/UNITE
Oh, hang on. Is it the fact that you are now terrified of the monster that you have created, or is it that you have read people's reactions on this and other forums and you have now belatedly realised that you absolutely no support from anyone other than your own members whom you have disgracefully hoodwinked into action.
I feel very sorry for the rest of us employees that are left to clear up the mess, but even more sorry for the pax who have just had their Christmas ruined.
Shame on you BASSA/UNITE
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Sorry Winstonsmith, I know where you are coming from now!
I guess Miss Malone must be feeling very proud now!
Disgusting. Utterly disgusting.
Disgusting. Utterly disgusting.
I personally will do everything possible to keep our planes flying, there's potentially over 5,000 who will do the same. Hopefully, we can offer our recent temps a full time contract and get them to help us as well, I think they only need an abridged SEP course as they have all flown within the last few years.
There is no way we, our customers, or fellow employees should be held to ransom like this.
I await the nuclear response from our company, in return for Unite pressing the nuclear button.
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blueskybird,
You should get paid normally until the strike begins. If you choose to go on strike, your basic pay, pension contributions and allowances will be reduced by the amount appropriate to the amount of time you strike. If you don't strike but your flights are cancelled, you are unlikely to receive allowances for trips which do not operate. It will be the January pay which will be most affected as BA normally pays December salaries just before Christmas.
Expect something from BA along the lines that all sickness from now until the end of the dispute will be required to be accounted for by a doctor's note.
You should get paid normally until the strike begins. If you choose to go on strike, your basic pay, pension contributions and allowances will be reduced by the amount appropriate to the amount of time you strike. If you don't strike but your flights are cancelled, you are unlikely to receive allowances for trips which do not operate. It will be the January pay which will be most affected as BA normally pays December salaries just before Christmas.
Expect something from BA along the lines that all sickness from now until the end of the dispute will be required to be accounted for by a doctor's note.
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Well the BA share price has collapsed on the news of the Strike Action ............................................................ ......................................................NOT!!: )
It dropped a full 0.5% on the news and then has climed back up to a 0.25% drop which it was down anyway.. the much larger decline came on the Pensions news.
I guess the city and the shareholders are confident that the strike will either not happen or will result in the required savings anyway...
CB
It dropped a full 0.5% on the news and then has climed back up to a 0.25% drop which it was down anyway.. the much larger decline came on the Pensions news.
I guess the city and the shareholders are confident that the strike will either not happen or will result in the required savings anyway...
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I'd expect the LGW crew to be manning the LHR flights - LHR is were the money is made I'm afraid, and the slots are a lot more valuable as well....
I could be wrong and the above is only my opinion.
CB
I'd expect the LGW crew to be manning the LHR flights - LHR is were the money is made I'm afraid, and the slots are a lot more valuable as well....
I could be wrong and the above is only my opinion.
CB
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@FDNL
It is not dependant on the airport you fly from, it is BA's trade union as a whole within the UK that is affected. Therefore as stated above, it is likely that any remaining Cabin Crew will be distributed to the most profitable routes.
It is not dependant on the airport you fly from, it is BA's trade union as a whole within the UK that is affected. Therefore as stated above, it is likely that any remaining Cabin Crew will be distributed to the most profitable routes.
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Thanks for your feedback. I better start thinking about a way to explain to my 8 year old daughter that New Year Eve with her grandparents is no longer. Great what a prospect!
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Managed to reschedule my flight to Sydney to the 21st. Well done to the BAEC customer service. They seemed to be gob smacked as well.
Last flight on British Airways I predict. Next flight will probably be on BA Airways. That is the airline that will rise out of the ashes of BA (much like SWISS) without a pension fund that is killing and with very lean contracts, much like those at Virgin. IB will be happy too.
Last flight on British Airways I predict. Next flight will probably be on BA Airways. That is the airline that will rise out of the ashes of BA (much like SWISS) without a pension fund that is killing and with very lean contracts, much like those at Virgin. IB will be happy too.
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WAKE UP!!
If the BA crew that take industrial action over the Christmas period think this is going to endear them to the traveling public, think again. My wife has a ticket booked over this period, and this is the LAST time I will ever book or fly with British Airways, you are worse than a third world operation.
In case you didn't notice there is a recession on at the moment, and your airline is losing crap loads of money. You are lucky to have jobs.
Just because you are in a pickle, why do you have to screw up everybody else's festive season. My Christmas wish is that BA shuts up shop and leaves you all on the dole. If you really need a pay raise, you should think of ways to negotiate that affect BA and not the general public, who, no matter how you justify what you are doing, don't deserve this!!!!
In case you didn't notice there is a recession on at the moment, and your airline is losing crap loads of money. You are lucky to have jobs.
Just because you are in a pickle, why do you have to screw up everybody else's festive season. My Christmas wish is that BA shuts up shop and leaves you all on the dole. If you really need a pay raise, you should think of ways to negotiate that affect BA and not the general public, who, no matter how you justify what you are doing, don't deserve this!!!!
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BBC reckon 80% turnout and 90% in favour
Millions of people in this country have accepted reduced Ts&Cs recently in the face of one of the the worst recessions in history in order to keep their jobs and help their employers survive but UNITE / BASSA seem to think that they, and they alone, should remain aloof and untouched by it. Words fail . . . .
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I imagine that FE, WWW & their mates are busy celebrating the fact that they have ruined our 25 th wedding anniversary celebrations & the Christmas plans of millions of other people.
In my opinion Bassa & it's minions are the scum of the earth.
An early thanks to those brave & honest CC members who turn up for work & show their loyalty both to BA & their pax.
In my opinion Bassa & it's minions are the scum of the earth.
An early thanks to those brave & honest CC members who turn up for work & show their loyalty both to BA & their pax.
