British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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They can only go to court if they can find a legal reason to do so.
It is not an automatic right that an employer has when their employees union gives them notice of strike.
They have to wait until the results of the ballot are known before they can do anything because it is not a foregone conclusion what the result will be.
It is not an automatic right that an employer has when their employees union gives them notice of strike.
They have to wait until the results of the ballot are known before they can do anything because it is not a foregone conclusion what the result will be.
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I'd imagine the pages upon pages of lies and half-truths BASSA has published throughout the negotiations might have caught the eye of BA's lawyers. If the union was misleading it's members about things it might make a strike ballot somewhat shakey.
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sorry for being dense but it's just occurred to me... who will pilot the new fleet in the grand scheme of things? will it be a similar situation as to who will crew it? just thinking of the whole open skies thing, which as we all now see was an, er-error!
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Rather think you could be a BA pilot worried about your big fat pension or a management spy take note I'm closer to the facts than you think know what has taken place along the dirty road BA has led us along time for action not running like Balpa did for your boys. I'm not on the £60,000 touted in the press and never will be but will still fight for a fair wage something that you'll be unaware of. If we trusted BA we would all be begging for the minimal wage but that went back in Victorian times Bassa have good people and together we will fight to the end. Off to bed now some of us have to work tomorrow.
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WWW - if Cabin Crew strike, we probably will end up working for peanuts.
At the moment, we have a very good offer that does NOT REDUCE OUR SALARY BY ONE PENNY. How is that "working for peanuts"?
The only worry that we have now is New Fleet - but WW has written to Unite to meet their request to talk about new contracts for new crew. Why have they refused this and instead issued a ballot? Unite should be talking to WW and negotiating this in OUR best interests. WHY ARE THEY NOT DOING THIS.?
A very good offer is about to turn very sour due to people who are unable to read the EVIDENCE and blindly accept the utter tripe that BASSA are saying.
I remember in 2007 people virtually in tears the day before the strike was due, as they didn't expect to actually have to carry it out. I think this time WW is going to call their bluff.
W2P - many of us are talking about the need for new representation, not only on here but online. It's amazing when you admit that you don't support the union, the relief that people show and they actually reveal that they don't either. What can we do? This is appalling. Unite haven't even had the decency to inform us of the ballot yet - I had to hear it on the news
At the moment, we have a very good offer that does NOT REDUCE OUR SALARY BY ONE PENNY. How is that "working for peanuts"?
The only worry that we have now is New Fleet - but WW has written to Unite to meet their request to talk about new contracts for new crew. Why have they refused this and instead issued a ballot? Unite should be talking to WW and negotiating this in OUR best interests. WHY ARE THEY NOT DOING THIS.?
A very good offer is about to turn very sour due to people who are unable to read the EVIDENCE and blindly accept the utter tripe that BASSA are saying.
I remember in 2007 people virtually in tears the day before the strike was due, as they didn't expect to actually have to carry it out. I think this time WW is going to call their bluff.
W2P - many of us are talking about the need for new representation, not only on here but online. It's amazing when you admit that you don't support the union, the relief that people show and they actually reveal that they don't either. What can we do? This is appalling. Unite haven't even had the decency to inform us of the ballot yet - I had to hear it on the news
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not a pilot or a management spy! though clearly my spiel was good enough to be either! actually i'm lgw crew, genuinely wanting to know who ww thinks will pilot the new fleet. unless i've missed something somewhere on this mammoth thread, it looks like gap year students, senior crewed by lgw seniors who live in slough, and ..... in the flight deck?
nb. no offence to any stereotypes!
why would any lgw crew move to newfleet on less t&c's unless it was for geographical reasons? so is it all to be made up from temps in the holding pool! and if so, what's to stop the same practice re pilots in the future? newsnight winding down, bedtime!
nb. no offence to any stereotypes!
why would any lgw crew move to newfleet on less t&c's unless it was for geographical reasons? so is it all to be made up from temps in the holding pool! and if so, what's to stop the same practice re pilots in the future? newsnight winding down, bedtime!
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I suspect this will end up in court. And I suspect that any sane judge will take one look at the rather less than professional way that BASSA has conducted itself during these negotiations and side with BA all the way. BA will have been very careful during all this. Every move they have made will, undoubtedly, have been checked and counter checked by the company lawyers. I would even go so far as to say that they knew a ballot was inevitable from the outset and that this is the moment they have been waiting for. Underestimate them at your peril.
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jetset lady exactly what i've heard. shorthaul will be cancelled, and lgw crews will be bussed up to operate 777 lh out of lhr, working to lhr renumerations. and no one is going to turn down lhr wages/routes on a jolly. there's no loyalty when your monthly allowances are gonna jump a few hundred quid. which is why bassa should've seen what was happenning with gatwick way back! though to reiterate, who will be piloting the aircraft?
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With reference to possible court involvement in connection with industrial strike action.
The only thing that matters is what is written on the piece of paper that is in the envelope with the ballot paper.
The only thing that matters is what is written on the piece of paper that is in the envelope with the ballot paper.
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The only thing that matters is what is written on the piece of paper that is in the envelope with the ballot paper.
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Saintjoseph,
Due to the SCOPE agreement (mentioned a few pages ago), the aircraft will be manned by BA pilots. Not "new fleet pilots".
Thanks to the rest of you for answering my question about the courts. Reading my question again, it's blatantly obvious that we have to wait for the ballot results before any court action. I was having a blond-ish moment...
I agree with Highflyer's last post. No news from unions about the ballot. Refusal to negotiate and spewing out numerous lies. Not exactly responsible behaviour in anyone's eyes, if only more people could open theirs.
Right, back to the brandy....
Gg
Due to the SCOPE agreement (mentioned a few pages ago), the aircraft will be manned by BA pilots. Not "new fleet pilots".
Thanks to the rest of you for answering my question about the courts. Reading my question again, it's blatantly obvious that we have to wait for the ballot results before any court action. I was having a blond-ish moment...
I agree with Highflyer's last post. No news from unions about the ballot. Refusal to negotiate and spewing out numerous lies. Not exactly responsible behaviour in anyone's eyes, if only more people could open theirs.
Right, back to the brandy....
Gg
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I've been lurking here for, well a while now and finally decided to sign up.
Whilst I do not take the sycophantic approach of Glamgirl, I will not be supporting a strike either. I'm not a huge fan of WW but I do think it's a mistake to underestimate him as so many seem to. I think the time for a change of contracts and Ts&Cs is long overdue and the deal offered isn't a bad one at all.
I am however disappointed that so many take the "I'm alright Jack" approach and are all for solidarity yet think nothing of crew coming in on lesser terms and conditions.
On a personal level I'm getting sick and tired of pilot bashing. They're pilots, they get paid more than us. Get over it. In the same vein I'm also a little tired of the pilots constant bashing of cabin crew. I think when the dust has settled we'll see a more streamlined and cost effective BA with more industy standard terms and conditions for both flightdeck and cabin crew.
Whilst I do not take the sycophantic approach of Glamgirl, I will not be supporting a strike either. I'm not a huge fan of WW but I do think it's a mistake to underestimate him as so many seem to. I think the time for a change of contracts and Ts&Cs is long overdue and the deal offered isn't a bad one at all.
I am however disappointed that so many take the "I'm alright Jack" approach and are all for solidarity yet think nothing of crew coming in on lesser terms and conditions.
On a personal level I'm getting sick and tired of pilot bashing. They're pilots, they get paid more than us. Get over it. In the same vein I'm also a little tired of the pilots constant bashing of cabin crew. I think when the dust has settled we'll see a more streamlined and cost effective BA with more industy standard terms and conditions for both flightdeck and cabin crew.
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I agree with you Oldbird. I've flown for over 20years and seen this all before. The only losers will be US! BA have very very good lawyers in the City (I know I worked for a city lawfirm years ago). These guys will be on the case. 
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From a passengers point of view, my concern is that i cannot see in 5 years BA offering the same standard of cabin service when the pay for new crew is less than the 'waste operatives' emptying my Bins and working at my local dump.
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Stormin I'm going to disagree with you on that. If you employ the right people, train them the right way, provide them with the right product and get the right corporate culture there's no reason for a deterioration in service.
Turnover can be a good thing. It keeps labour costs low, keeps fresh blood coming in who are usually more enthusiatic and want to do the job because they want to do it and not because they make too much £ to even think about leaving when they're past their "best before" date.
Turnover can be a good thing. It keeps labour costs low, keeps fresh blood coming in who are usually more enthusiatic and want to do the job because they want to do it and not because they make too much £ to even think about leaving when they're past their "best before" date.
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Rather see the company fail than work for peanuts.
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From a passengers point of view, my concern is that i cannot see in 5 years BA offering the same standard of cabin service when the pay for new crew is less than the 'waste operatives' emptying my Bins and working at my local dump.
