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Old 24th Dec 2008, 04:39
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QANTAS - Establishment of QD

From the FAAA today:

As members are aware, during the last round of Enterprise negotiations, the Company indicated that in addition to MAM casuals, they were considering the establishment of a new entity to employ crew for the Short Haul division.

On 23rd December, the Company announced the establishment of Qantas Domestic Pty Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of Qantas structured in a similar way to QCCA.

All new employees will be covered by a collective agreement between your Association and the new employer. Aspects of the agreement are still being finalised but will be available at the time offers of employment are made to new crew.

The Company will be offering current MAM flight attendants the first opportunity to express an interest for permanent employment with QD before any external recruitment occurs.

Once it is clear as to the number of MAM crew interested in employment, Qantas will discuss Short Haul base transfers with the Association as part the overall recruitment process.

Following the initial start up February/March 2009, there will be further discussions with Qantas on offers being made to regional members including Jetstar as part of career progression to the new Qantas Domestic Company.

Members should note that details of conditions of employment, rostering arrangements and the timing of base transfers for Short Haul members will not be available until mid to late January. Once finalised further information will be provided.

Regardless of various opinions on the establishment of the new company, there can be no doubt that this will provide Short Haul crew with employment protection and improvement in the application of current conditions of employment.
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Old 24th Dec 2008, 05:54
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Well here it is. Nice Christmas present to all at short-haul !! Keep smiling at working hard over the christmas period !!

So as a fairly young Full-time QF hostie....I now have about 5-10 years left before this new subsidiary forces me out ?
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Much will be dependent on which side of politics is in power.

I think that even the Australian public are starting to wise up to what the last 12 years has done to this [once fair] country.

Having said that. History has taught me to never underestimate the stupidity of the average Australian.
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QF Skywalker how do you figure that? As you know QD is not part of the domestic EBA you are employed under they are two seperate entities unlike QCCA which at some point in the future could very well arode the lives of long haul crew employed by Qantas Airways.
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Old 24th Dec 2008, 11:07
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GalleyHag....I suppose:

1. Qantas is relying on increasing the numbers of QCCA crew to play against the dwindling QAL LH crew. The more they hire QCCA to displace QAL, the more they will achieve their aim.

2. Qantas is relying on the use of one entity, QD, against another entity QAL SH. As much as the union denies it, multi day trips will be siphoned off to QD as they will be able to squeeze more hours out of them with less pay. QAL SH will be left with pitiful 2 legs MEL or BNE and the odd PER if you are lucky. The FAAA will of course deny that work can be witheld for QD, but really no one can dictate to Qantas how they run their company and who they give their work to. Also don't forget, the FAAA will be hungry for more memberships too so they will also try to appease their QD members.

The SH FAAA can be best described as a sex worker.....getting in bed with everyone....Qantas Airlines, Qantas Domestic Pty Ltd, Jetstar, Virgin Blue, Eastern Australia Airlines, Sunstate, Rex, etc. How can they best represent the interests of QAL SH when they also represent QD? Hello! Conflict of interest anyone? The SH FAAA does not exist for the benefit of its members...it exists for the benefit of itself....J.P + JA.D...they are both too busy justifying their existence to care about justifying ours. The plain and simple reason why they chose not to merge with LH FAAA was because they knew they would loose their jobs. Any member of FAAA, be it LH or SH, can tell you that we stand more to gain by being a united front and a united body.

Its too late now anyway.
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Under the new QD arrangement, will there be recruitment for CSM's under the QD company?
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Domestos: With reference to your latest post with regard to the union. I have to totally agree with you. I believe the moment the LH and SH FAAA union combine together and step foward we may see some changes...
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There will be QD CSM recruitment, but not until 18 months after launch.
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Hey there dizzylizzy....

The employment of CSMs will be reserved purely for QAL for the period of 18 months from the date of employment of the very first QD employee. Of course this is all in theory....what will happen in reality is that Qantas will not promote any QAL to CSM for 18 months from the commencement of QD (why would they...they've just transferred 16 to LH citing that there is an oversupply of CSMs at SH). Then, after 18 months...Qantas will turn around and promote the first QD CSM. I also bet my money that few QAL employees will get CSM...of course, Qantas would make it appear that they are giving everyone equal opportunity...but in reality, they will only select QD employees, with say 1 or 2 QAL thrown in so that it won't look so suss.

Our only way forward is to unite together....but the SH FAAA is way too stubborn and selfish to do so...the elected officials stand to loose too much if we united with LH FAAA because J.P and JA.D know that they have more effective counterparts in the other division usurping their jobs. The SH FAAA stands to gain a lot more by having all of its wrinkly, old, cigarette-stained boney fingers in the domestic airline's pies. I would happily overthrow the SH FAAA if I knew that I had the support of my colleagues at SH....unfortunately, it would be a loosing battle for me, as we all know, SH is full of beehives from TAA and AA, who are happy to do 2 legs MEL everyday.
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The Fat Controller

Dear Colleague
Qantas Domestic Pty Limited
I am pleased to be able to announce the establishment of Qantas Domestic Pty
Limited (Qantas Domestic). Qantas Domestic will provide Cabin Crew to Qantas’
domestic flying operations. Qantas Domestic is a wholly owned subsidiary of Qantas
Airways Limited (Qantas) operating as an independent business with its own
accountabilities.
The establishment of Qantas Domestic on competitive terms and conditions is a key
element to provide continued flexibility to our Domestic operations and allows Qantas
to compete in a challenging domestic aviation market in very difficult economic
conditions. Our labour mix will continue to include casual flight attendants who will
continue to be an important component in assisting in managing flying fluctuations.
Both casuals and Qantas Domestic crew will also assist in supporting flexible working
arrangements.
Cabin crew employed by Qantas Domestic will be employed under a collective
agreement made between Qantas Domestic and the Flight Attendants’ Association of
Australia – Domestic/Regional Division.
Qantas Domestic will begin recruiting Cabin Crew shortly with a view to supplying
cabin crew for Qantas’ domestic operations from the February 2009 roster period.
Opportunities will be provided for current MAM Flight Attendants to apply for Qantas
Domestic positions.
There will be a dedicated communication to MAM Flight attendants regarding
employment opportunities with Qantas Domestic.
Your manager is available should you have any questions.
The Fat Controller
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I gotta hand it to Qantas for being quick to launch this company just in time to catch the high school leavers who are in search of work.
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I find it really odd that both shorthaul and longhaul are offering voluntary redundancies, leave without pay, part time etc yet the company is saying they will be hiring new full time shorthaul crew in Feb Does the shorthaul union have nothing to say about this?

The shorthaul union were really dumb to not include QD in their EBA - at least the Longahul union got the QCCA agreement as part of the QAL Longhaul EBA- so the two have to be negotiated together

I dont know about shorthaul roster rules, but the QCCA crew definately only get their flying after the longhaul bid run- trust me I went from nothing but Joburgs to londons, frankfurts, san frans, and even a honolulu on my roster thanks to the QCCA newbies.

I hope the QD crew will bolster the junior shorthaul crew's rosters !

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Old 26th Dec 2008, 05:56
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The website is up.

www.qantasdomestic.com.au

Good Luck to those who apply,hopefully the recruiters get it right.
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Why? and Who...

Just out of curiosity, who will want this?

Sure its full time but it is still - domestic. If your going to be paid b-scale money why wouldn't you at least want to fly long haul and have a blast, minus the tuck shop/good hour/chux rubbish.

I mean the reason most people are in short haul is because they have always been here, or either transfered from l/h to join the mothers club.
If you can't choose your time off, what's the point. I mean we don't exactly choose our trips cause they are exciting.

Being a very junior s/h'er, I just hope this new company (somehow) allows us to transfer to l/h.. Somehow?? Please...
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There will surely be some sort of roster request system in place (ie: days off) as there is with the majority of shift work.
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People - could we just keep this thread on track regarding recruitment, T&C, etc? Please?

I'm sick to death of threads being closed down time and again by people who see fit to 'teach others a lesson', or make their point at the expense of respecting others.

I can see this thread already starting to veer off course. We don't know very much about the new entity for a number of reasons (least of which is the time of year). Let's just all wait and see, and avoid a slanging match.

I have a few friends who are interested in this opportunity for a variety of reasons, and no doubt there are others on here with the same goal in mind.

In closing, I would also appreciate if we didn't get into the whole issue of QCCD being set up, etc. These are complex issues, which aren't going to get resolved or even changed within the confines of an anonymous internet forum. Let's all just move forward, exchange valid info, and assist those who are genuinely interested in joining S/H in same way many other people joined QCCA just on a year ago.

Many thanks ladies and gents.
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Just a quick question....How hard would it be to transfer from qantas domestic to QCCA? I was initally told i got the job with QCCA but was put on hold because of 'economic issues'. To hold for how long is the question?

I received an email regarding a position with qantas domestic and am trying to consider all my future options. How does the process work?

Any info would be appreciated.

Happy New Year to all.
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Sistema...I am totally with you...I can't wait til QD starts up so that it gives the company the opportunity to purge some of the divisional transfer list to LH. Whilst the company starts up QD and ramps up operations, I am sure it will want to start getting rid of full time EBA 7 (varied) crew.

I hate to say it...but whether we like it or not, QAL SH is a sinking ship. Do you really think our pattern books will ever have high yield patterns and lucrative multi-day trips? I don't think so. As QD ramps up its operations, we will see our patterns become progressively thinner and thinner. Case in point....our colleagues down in MEL experienced this when the company openly stated that they were trialling 'no-overnights' in MEL a couple of months ago. FAs at the 8-9 year seniority level were doing 21 SYD returns in a roster period !!!!!! So when QD starts up, expect multi-day trips (and any chance of earning DTA) siphoned off. Domestics will spend the rest of their lives tossing muffins between SYD-MEL-BNE on CitiFlyer. I ain't doin 2 legs Mothers Club flying thanks...for as long as I draw breath, I categorically refuse to step foot onboard the same aircraft as those chux-wielding women.

Current EBA 7 (varied) crew are blocked 123 hrs and paid to 140 hrs. I reckon QD crew will be blocked 140 hrs and paid to 140 hrs.

QF A330....if you found my reference to 'beehive' to be interesting...then you should take a look at my post (on pages 9 & 10) of the thread called 'Another QANTAS CC Thread', which is found in the 'D & G General Aviation & Questions' forum. Also take note of the picture posted by someone of a pair of Lesbian Loafers that are commonly worn by beehives and mothers club.

Oh if there is a God, please answer my prayers and activate the divisional transfer list to LH.....I have done my dues and tossed enough biscuits and muffins....I want out of QAL SH.
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There are currently no provisions to transfer between Qantas Domestic Pty Ltd and Qantas Cabin Crew Australia Pty Ltd. They are 2 totally different cabin crew labour-provision companies serving different purposes. The EBA for QD has not been established yet, and I doubt very very much that there will be provision to transfer to QCCA. QD is a bare bones operation and it would cost too much to administer any transfer mechanism to another subsidiary of Qantas. There is also no provision under Part II of EBA8 (which covers QCCA) to allow for transfers.

To answer your second question....it all depends on what you want to do...if you want to fly around the world, then apply to QCCA. If you want to fly around Australia, then apply to QD. Don't apply to QD hoping that you may get a transfer to QCCA because at this stage, there is no mechanism for this.
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Domestos stated!
Oh if there is a God, please answer my prayers and activate the divisional transfer list to LH.....I have done my dues and tossed enough biscuits and muffins....I want out of QAL SH.

very clever and funny domestos.... but somehow I think you will be tossing muffins for while longer, I really don't see them actioning any transfer list at the moment!
Make the most of it whilst you are there, anyway keep up the great writing as I thoroughly enjoy your sense of humour.
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