QANTAS - New safety demo vid.....
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QANTAS - New safety demo vid.....
Is it just me or is this new demo boring. I have been looking at the pax response to this new roll out and yes they watch, for a moment then turn away. The Captain, yes I'm sure is very nice but boring, his voice not going to gain your attention and there for we forget about the rest of the demo. He is not the most exciting or trusting man at Qantas and why the hell they got him to do the demo is worrying. In an age where we are hoping for more attention to our job, here's a captain boring them to death. I think we could have done a lot better. No offence to the Captain involved but for Qantas to be reinvented, not a good look.
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I have found the complete opposite, I've noticed on my flights that alot of pax have been watching pretty much from start to finish. Maybe because it's something different. 
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The only thing which annoyed me was having to do the demo first time without having SEEN the vid. The Oracle (aka Cabin Crew News) said that all the verbal cues would be the same but they're not... it's ok after a few times but looks kind of poor when the whole crew all put the oxy mask up way too early 
Maybe they needed to do a Delta and get some hot girl to do the spiel that Captain did... either that, or that hot dark haired one all the girls go on about, you know the one he flies out of Sydney and looks like he should be in a movie somewhere
Maybe they needed to do a Delta and get some hot girl to do the spiel that Captain did... either that, or that hot dark haired one all the girls go on about, you know the one he flies out of Sydney and looks like he should be in a movie somewhere
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Qantas is one of the few airlines where the crew still do the demo.
Travel on JAL and the whole deal is on very clever animated video.
Very watchable and very informative.
Most of the stuff qantas does is so last century
Travel on JAL and the whole deal is on very clever animated video.
Very watchable and very informative.
Most of the stuff qantas does is so last century
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I disagree. I think it adds a human touch to things, I've flown other airlines and found it ODD that crew do not do the safety demo.
Also it gives one a chance to have a quick look at the pax, suss out who might be potential trouble or who needs an extra bit of help during the flight. (Also, who might be best to call on as an ABP should the brown stuff hit the fan)
Handy too that if anything happens, crew are already in the cabin to deal with it if need be.
Just my opinion, of course
Also it gives one a chance to have a quick look at the pax, suss out who might be potential trouble or who needs an extra bit of help during the flight. (Also, who might be best to call on as an ABP should the brown stuff hit the fan)
Handy too that if anything happens, crew are already in the cabin to deal with it if need be.
Just my opinion, of course
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sistema, OzzieO and cartexchange; the people posting on this thread obviously care.
Since the 3 of you apparently do not care, I wonder why you felt the need to click on a thread title with big clues about its content.
I also wonder why, after you have read a thread that you do not care about, you still feel the need to write juvenile posts dissing the people who do care.
It's an aviation related subject, it's a cabin related subject, it's a safety related subject. Reason enough for it to be posted and discussed here.
Also, when we need more people to decide what can and cannot be posted here, we will ask for more moderators.
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Since the 3 of you apparently do not care, I wonder why you felt the need to click on a thread title with big clues about its content.
I also wonder why, after you have read a thread that you do not care about, you still feel the need to write juvenile posts dissing the people who do care.
It's an aviation related subject, it's a cabin related subject, it's a safety related subject. Reason enough for it to be posted and discussed here.
Also, when we need more people to decide what can and cannot be posted here, we will ask for more moderators.
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My Favourite Safety Demo
I would have to say my most favourite safety demo in the whole world is the one done by Thai Airways. (TG did this video in 2007 and is still showing it onboard today. You will notice that QF has copied some bits of it...like the soothing background music, use of Captain's message). I love thier demo because it is soothing and sensual and relaxing to watch. Well done TG!!!!!!!!!
YouTube - Full-screen Thai Airways safety demonstration video
Forgot to mention...TG don't do a live demo either...it is all onscreen.
YouTube - Full-screen Thai Airways safety demonstration video
Forgot to mention...TG don't do a live demo either...it is all onscreen.
"Forgot to mention...TG don't do a live demo either...it is all onscreen."
Same for PG on A320's.
I think the PG female cabin crew are the cutest around, never seen a dud yet, a fantastic airline as a pax, I wish they did live demos for my extra enjoyment during the saftey brief, but it's all on screen, but easy to watch though. Branson could even learn somthing here !
TG = Thai Airways
PG = BKK Airways
Same for PG on A320's.
I think the PG female cabin crew are the cutest around, never seen a dud yet, a fantastic airline as a pax, I wish they did live demos for my extra enjoyment during the saftey brief, but it's all on screen, but easy to watch though. Branson could even learn somthing here !
TG = Thai Airways
PG = BKK Airways
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I think the amount of airlines around the world who actually do live demos is 50-50. I may be generalising here, but most Asian carriers don't do live ones....with the exception of CX. The men and women on CX stay in the galleys during the first part of the demo...then when it is time to point out the exits, they come out stand at their positions, point to the exits, and then walk back into the galleys/hiding areas for the remainder of the demo!!!!!! Classic!!! I love it!
I'm going out on a limb when I say this and I expect every CASA/OHS/QF Safety Auditor to shoot me down with hot flames.....but I personally would rather not have to do live demos....I'd rather be having a cup of tea and munching on a box of Arnotts Pizza Biscuit Shapes. If its good enough for SQ, CX and TG...then certainly it's good enough for QF.
I'm going out on a limb when I say this and I expect every CASA/OHS/QF Safety Auditor to shoot me down with hot flames.....but I personally would rather not have to do live demos....I'd rather be having a cup of tea and munching on a box of Arnotts Pizza Biscuit Shapes. If its good enough for SQ, CX and TG...then certainly it's good enough for QF.
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Actually....(someone correct me if I am wrong)...I think the only minimum legally binding thing an airline has to do in Australia is to brief passengers on wearing of seatbelts, location of exits, stowage of baggage, use of floatation devices, prohibition of smoking, use of oxygen etc....and to supplement all of this with written information (ie. each pax must have a safety card). There is no stipulation that this "briefing" has to include live elements. I think Qantas et. al. in Australia do a live demo in conjunction with a video to reinforce the main messages in the briefing, even though it is not a legal requirment to physically do so.
What I love about the Thai Airways video is that they use very a attractive male and female flight attendant who are actually talking to you (so to speak) face to face. You are looking at them talking to you, so you are more likely to listen to what they are saying. The issue with Qantas's video is that even though it is very well done and modern....you are actually listening to some non-descript woman's voice and so you are less likely to make a 'connection' with her or what she is saying. Eye contact in communication is very important. The Thai Airways video gives eye contact and therefore it is engaging you and you are more likely to listen. The music in their video is so soothing and relaxing too.
Ejector....when I flew with PG between BKK and HKT, I too found the crew to be very good looking. I'm gay, but I found the girls to be gorgeous and eye candy too. The only thing I didn't like about PG was that the aprons for the girls looked like something out of an RSL Club and their name badges were oval and made of cheap white plastic. Other than that, the girls and guys were great.
What I love about the Thai Airways video is that they use very a attractive male and female flight attendant who are actually talking to you (so to speak) face to face. You are looking at them talking to you, so you are more likely to listen to what they are saying. The issue with Qantas's video is that even though it is very well done and modern....you are actually listening to some non-descript woman's voice and so you are less likely to make a 'connection' with her or what she is saying. Eye contact in communication is very important. The Thai Airways video gives eye contact and therefore it is engaging you and you are more likely to listen. The music in their video is so soothing and relaxing too.
Ejector....when I flew with PG between BKK and HKT, I too found the crew to be very good looking. I'm gay, but I found the girls to be gorgeous and eye candy too. The only thing I didn't like about PG was that the aprons for the girls looked like something out of an RSL Club and their name badges were oval and made of cheap white plastic. Other than that, the girls and guys were great.
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Just to steer this post slightly off side....
I believe every crew should have a mix of half men and half women. A number of my (non-flying) friends have commented that they often feel a little relieved when they see at least one guy in the crew. This is not a sexist judgement call against female cabin crew....but I think in the minds of passengers, having men on board gives them a little reassurance. Lets set aside the 'sex appeal factor' here and talk from a pure safety/evacuation/emergency point of view. I personally would not feel at ease if I were on a flight as a passenger and it was crewed entirely by young dainty women. Yes I know, women are just as capable as men.....but I would personally like to know if I was unconscious during an evacuation, at least the crew would be strong enough to life me out.
Case in point....Thai Airways and Singapore Airlines crews are always 50-50 split....men and women. The men work in the galleys and the women work in the cabin...exclusively. Where there are two flight attendant seats at a door...there is always a man sitting with a woman.
I don't think I am alone when I say there should be more male crew....I've lost count of how many girls I've flown with who all say that they prefer working with boys....gay or straight....they looooove working where there is predominantly boys. I've asked the boys and even they (gay or straight) prefer working with boys. Its strange isn't it.
I believe every crew should have a mix of half men and half women. A number of my (non-flying) friends have commented that they often feel a little relieved when they see at least one guy in the crew. This is not a sexist judgement call against female cabin crew....but I think in the minds of passengers, having men on board gives them a little reassurance. Lets set aside the 'sex appeal factor' here and talk from a pure safety/evacuation/emergency point of view. I personally would not feel at ease if I were on a flight as a passenger and it was crewed entirely by young dainty women. Yes I know, women are just as capable as men.....but I would personally like to know if I was unconscious during an evacuation, at least the crew would be strong enough to life me out.
Case in point....Thai Airways and Singapore Airlines crews are always 50-50 split....men and women. The men work in the galleys and the women work in the cabin...exclusively. Where there are two flight attendant seats at a door...there is always a man sitting with a woman.
I don't think I am alone when I say there should be more male crew....I've lost count of how many girls I've flown with who all say that they prefer working with boys....gay or straight....they looooove working where there is predominantly boys. I've asked the boys and even they (gay or straight) prefer working with boys. Its strange isn't it.
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Who Pays Attention?
Apart a curious 4 year old no one pays attention to these demonstrations.
Most adults ignore them....just like most of those who were injured on the recent QF72 event.
Pay attention ladies and gentlemen ....it may just save your life.
Most adults ignore them....just like most of those who were injured on the recent QF72 event.
Pay attention ladies and gentlemen ....it may just save your life.
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You are spot on the money!!
Female crew can say what they like and im all for equality but as a female when I have an all female crew and things start to go pear shaped which has happened on more then one occassion the first thing I have to do is look for paxing crew and suitable ABP's as the fact of the matter is 7-10 females on a wide bodied aircraft have no chance in restraining a couple of big men (or women) plus it would take a couple of females to evacuate an injured pax etc therefore putting not just one person's life at risk but more then one member of the crew.
There are certainly female crew who are very capable in this regard eg ex police women but they are few and far between. But 90% of the time when I operate long sectors such as Perth or regional trips im very happy to have at least 1 male on the crew.
As for the safety demo people are watching but I believe more because its new. A quick walk through the cabin shows no one takes a bit of interest as seat belts are off hanging in the aisle they couldnt care less. Pax's even have the hide to ask questions about the QF72 incident while sitting there with their seatbelt unfastened go figure. These are the people that would be straight off to slater and and gordon the minute the aircraft touches down if they were ever injured on a flight.
You are spot on the money!!
Female crew can say what they like and im all for equality but as a female when I have an all female crew and things start to go pear shaped which has happened on more then one occassion the first thing I have to do is look for paxing crew and suitable ABP's as the fact of the matter is 7-10 females on a wide bodied aircraft have no chance in restraining a couple of big men (or women) plus it would take a couple of females to evacuate an injured pax etc therefore putting not just one person's life at risk but more then one member of the crew.
There are certainly female crew who are very capable in this regard eg ex police women but they are few and far between. But 90% of the time when I operate long sectors such as Perth or regional trips im very happy to have at least 1 male on the crew.
As for the safety demo people are watching but I believe more because its new. A quick walk through the cabin shows no one takes a bit of interest as seat belts are off hanging in the aisle they couldnt care less. Pax's even have the hide to ask questions about the QF72 incident while sitting there with their seatbelt unfastened go figure. These are the people that would be straight off to slater and and gordon the minute the aircraft touches down if they were ever injured on a flight.
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Physical Demo of Equipment
Domestos -
I thought legislation came in recently (three years ago?) that required a physical demo during the safety briefing. I say this as I recall a Dash 8 FA telling me they had to now stop doing the announcement and demonstrate the operation of the seat belt (this was prior to the pre-recorded demo). My memory may be failing me as I cannot find anything in CAO 20.11, except for this in relation to overwater ops;
I thought legislation came in recently (three years ago?) that required a physical demo during the safety briefing. I say this as I recall a Dash 8 FA telling me they had to now stop doing the announcement and demonstrate the operation of the seat belt (this was prior to the pre-recorded demo). My memory may be failing me as I cannot find anything in CAO 20.11, except for this in relation to overwater ops;
this briefing shall include a demonstration
of the method of donning and inflating a life jacket
of the method of donning and inflating a life jacket
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the CAO
Section 20.11 (Emergency and life saving equipment and passenger control in emergencies)
Para 14.1.1
The operator of an aircraft shall ensure that all passengers are orally briefed (my emphasis) before each take-off on:
(a) smoking, including the prohibition of smoking in toilets; and
(b) the use and adjustment of seat belts; and
(c) the location of emergency exits; and
(d) the use of oxygen where applicable; and
(e) the use of flotation devices where applicable; and
(f) stowage of hand luggage; and
(g) the presence on board of special survival equipment where applicable.
etc etc
Para 14.1.1
The operator of an aircraft shall ensure that all passengers are orally briefed (my emphasis) before each take-off on:
(a) smoking, including the prohibition of smoking in toilets; and
(b) the use and adjustment of seat belts; and
(c) the location of emergency exits; and
(d) the use of oxygen where applicable; and
(e) the use of flotation devices where applicable; and
(f) stowage of hand luggage; and
(g) the presence on board of special survival equipment where applicable.
etc etc
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Ditzy...thanks for your info. I was of the understanding that the Dash 8 F/A had to stop doing manual announcements because they wanted to be consistent with mainline and have a recorded briefing....hence their requirement to do seat belts, life jacket etc. Look babes, I'm not sure of this and I am happy to be corrected by anyone from the Regional Airlines re this matter.
Gloriais18....thank you for your info re CAO 20.11....I always had a sneaky suspicion that a full physical demo was not required by law and that an "oral briefing" was the bare bones minimum. Like all things with Qantas though...they like to do more than what is required by them of law.....eg. Bi-annual EPs (which was previously only annual). I guess doing a 'live-demo' is their way of doing more than what is required.
Look I'm just being lazy and would rather stand around the galley during the demo and sip earl grey tea.....perhaps I should be a Purser...that way I won't have to do a demo..... I'm happy either way....but if given the choice, I'd rather not have to a live demo like some other airlines.
My pet dislike.....airlines who try to make the demo funny by adding silly ridiculous comments....it makes me cringe and it devalues the message that is being conveyed. If you're gonna do a demo....then do it properly and let the passengers know we are serious about getting them out should the sardine can catch on fire.
Gloriais18....thank you for your info re CAO 20.11....I always had a sneaky suspicion that a full physical demo was not required by law and that an "oral briefing" was the bare bones minimum. Like all things with Qantas though...they like to do more than what is required by them of law.....eg. Bi-annual EPs (which was previously only annual). I guess doing a 'live-demo' is their way of doing more than what is required.
Look I'm just being lazy and would rather stand around the galley during the demo and sip earl grey tea.....perhaps I should be a Purser...that way I won't have to do a demo....
. I'm happy either way....but if given the choice, I'd rather not have to a live demo like some other airlines. My pet dislike.....airlines who try to make the demo funny by adding silly ridiculous comments....it makes me cringe and it devalues the message that is being conveyed. If you're gonna do a demo....then do it properly and let the passengers know we are serious about getting them out should the sardine can catch on fire.