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Sign the "against flexible roster" form
Hi,
Im based in Berlin and our union reps are working very hard on getting as many signatures as possible from the crew. I hope the reps in other bases are doing the same. We need 1700 names to have a chance to do anything against it. SIGN SIGN SIGN!!! And if theres nothing to sign, talk to your union reps. They should really work hard on this.
Im based in Berlin and our union reps are working very hard on getting as many signatures as possible from the crew. I hope the reps in other bases are doing the same. We need 1700 names to have a chance to do anything against it. SIGN SIGN SIGN!!! And if theres nothing to sign, talk to your union reps. They should really work hard on this.
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Absolutely 'Spot-On' LondonEasyJetBoi and very well put indeed... I'm sure you echo almost everyones thoughts... Thanks for this post and I really, really hope that the people who need to see it, do. 
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londoneasyjetboi, very well written email. Have you posted it on the easyjet private forum? If not join and post it please. Managment do read that forum (PJS) and it might work its way to people who should really read it!!
londoneasyjetboi for CEO......
londoneasyjetboi for CEO......
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Well said londoneasyjetboi.
talking about unnecessary management, if the fuel hedge manager did his job properly like in many other airlines, we would not be in as bad situation as we are now...
Easy can save a lot of by getting rid of the middle managers (they can start with the fuel hedging guy), freezing/reducing the management bonuses and employing few more rostering officers.
At the end of the day, there are a lot of things that easy wants to change even before the fuel crisis and now they are using the fuel thing as an excuse.
talking about unnecessary management, if the fuel hedge manager did his job properly like in many other airlines, we would not be in as bad situation as we are now...
Easy can save a lot of by getting rid of the middle managers (they can start with the fuel hedging guy), freezing/reducing the management bonuses and employing few more rostering officers.
At the end of the day, there are a lot of things that easy wants to change even before the fuel crisis and now they are using the fuel thing as an excuse.
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Well i am sorry but i don't agree with whats been said by londoneasyjetboi. I work in a "small" base. Why the hell should i have to work a random roster because the company fail to be able to implement it properly?
I specifically disagree with " .....and make them take random rostering...."
Oh so its alright that you don't want to do something but force it on someone else, thank you very much. Glad to know my fellow crew are standing by united. Nice to know you'll be left out to dry.
Your as bad as the management!
I specifically disagree with " .....and make them take random rostering...."
Oh so its alright that you don't want to do something but force it on someone else, thank you very much. Glad to know my fellow crew are standing by united. Nice to know you'll be left out to dry.
Your as bad as the management!
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Right behind you londoneasyjetboi!!!
Here, here. Your post is very well stated. I agree with most of what you say, however.....
As we know, it is already too late for our colleagues in DTM. We all need to stick together now (FD and CC) to stop the further erosion of our terms and conditions. The CC at easyJet work harder than any other I have ever encountered! If there is any inefficiency it starts and ends in Luton. The smaller bases are not 'unviable' due to being small, it is purely bad management.
If you at the bigger bases accept random rostering at the small bases assuming yourselves to be immune, you will be sorely mistaken. Do not sell your colleagues down the river. Thin end, big orange wedge.....
Here, here. Your post is very well stated. I agree with most of what you say, however.....
As we know, it is already too late for our colleagues in DTM. We all need to stick together now (FD and CC) to stop the further erosion of our terms and conditions. The CC at easyJet work harder than any other I have ever encountered! If there is any inefficiency it starts and ends in Luton. The smaller bases are not 'unviable' due to being small, it is purely bad management.
If you at the bigger bases accept random rostering at the small bases assuming yourselves to be immune, you will be sorely mistaken. Do not sell your colleagues down the river. Thin end, big orange wedge.....
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Girtbar says:
'Well i am sorry but i don't agree with whats been said by londoneasyjetboi. I work in a "small" base. Why the hell should i have to work a random roster because the company fail to be able to implement it properly?
I specifically disagree with " .....and make them take random rostering...."
Oh so its alright that you don't want to do something but force it on someone else, thank you very much. Glad to know my fellow crew are standing by united. Nice to know you'll be left out to dry.
Your as bad as the management!'
Girtbar,
I apologise about the way that was written, now that you show it on here, it seems totally like it some people should have random rostering and others not. This is not how I meant for that to sound. I meant for it to come across as though if the company cannot make 6/3 work in smaller bases, then as a tool to keep the base open and you employed, maybe random rostering should be implemented, I have been in contact with some crew in DTM and they would be more than happy to take on random rostering if it meant they kept their jobs and their base open...
Although alot of the stuff the company spits outs is just Propaganda, from someone who has experience in scheduling people lives, the numbers just dont work.
However, still on the flipside of that statement, CC have been working 6/3 for many many years now and therefore some kind of Grandfather agreement should be taken into consideration and keep our lives the same as what we have been accustomed to.
Again, I am sorry for my poorly written statement.
'Well i am sorry but i don't agree with whats been said by londoneasyjetboi. I work in a "small" base. Why the hell should i have to work a random roster because the company fail to be able to implement it properly?
I specifically disagree with " .....and make them take random rostering...."
Oh so its alright that you don't want to do something but force it on someone else, thank you very much. Glad to know my fellow crew are standing by united. Nice to know you'll be left out to dry.
Your as bad as the management!'
Girtbar,
I apologise about the way that was written, now that you show it on here, it seems totally like it some people should have random rostering and others not. This is not how I meant for that to sound. I meant for it to come across as though if the company cannot make 6/3 work in smaller bases, then as a tool to keep the base open and you employed, maybe random rostering should be implemented, I have been in contact with some crew in DTM and they would be more than happy to take on random rostering if it meant they kept their jobs and their base open...
Although alot of the stuff the company spits outs is just Propaganda, from someone who has experience in scheduling people lives, the numbers just dont work.
However, still on the flipside of that statement, CC have been working 6/3 for many many years now and therefore some kind of Grandfather agreement should be taken into consideration and keep our lives the same as what we have been accustomed to.
Again, I am sorry for my poorly written statement.
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In answer to your question, my contract states the following:
Your working hours will depend upon the relevant rostering agreements, which may be altered at anytime. EJ will do its best to ensure that all CC of a similar grade will be rostered for as near as possible the same opportunity over a 3 month period to work the same number and the same type of sectors. We will comply withg all applicable CAA regulations relating to hours worked and time off
Why do you want to know that?? Although the contract says they can be altered at any time it is evectively a change of contract and that needs to be agreed through the correct channels IMHO with my basic understanding of UK and EU employment laws
Your working hours will depend upon the relevant rostering agreements, which may be altered at anytime. EJ will do its best to ensure that all CC of a similar grade will be rostered for as near as possible the same opportunity over a 3 month period to work the same number and the same type of sectors. We will comply withg all applicable CAA regulations relating to hours worked and time off
Why do you want to know that?? Although the contract says they can be altered at any time it is evectively a change of contract and that needs to be agreed through the correct channels IMHO with my basic understanding of UK and EU employment laws
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And this is where the problem is....the company has the right to change our roster pattern with only as little as 90 days notice to us.
Which is why we have to be a really strong voice, and be united!
Join the union! (easyjet has done Unite a huge favour, I know of 30 people who joined within the last couple of days -that includes quite a few FTC btw!!!) Tell your friends and co-workers to join. Tell the FTC to join as well....at the end of the day, they've got nothing to loose....if they won't have a job at the end of their contract they stop being in the Union, if they do have a job they want decent T&C as well....
Don't just moan - but send an email to your rep! Tell your office as well (they won't care but at least you've given feedback....it's their problem what they make of it.).
Think about the future! If you allow them to start random rostering at the smaller bases, it'll only be a matter of time when they start it in the bigger bases!
Be serious about it and think about the consequences...this might well mean strike action if it comes to that. Think about it: Are you really prepared to go this far? If not, you might as well start random rostering now!
Be aware of politics! I sometimes wonder how much they try to manipulate us to get what they want of us....for example....when they said we can only book 9 days of leave between May and October....huge out-cry, big mess up....company lets us sit with the threat for a while and then says: 'Oops, we didn't mean to upset you, so we are really nice to you now and instead do only 6 days between July and September' and almost everybody is relieved and accepts it without a big moan. My theory is that they wanted to do 6 days between July and September anyway but thought they push it further, firstly, because you never know, you might get away with it and secondly, you'll get away with what you really want and won't get any complaints as the first 'threat' is so much worth.
So I'm almost wondering when the next email comes along and what it will say...
As for the Pulse results....we will get them at a political and strategical convenient moment, in which the company can use them for their goals (which mainly seems to be trying to scare us, so that we won't moan too much, and most importantly, won't ask for more money in October).
Which is why we have to be a really strong voice, and be united!
Join the union! (easyjet has done Unite a huge favour, I know of 30 people who joined within the last couple of days -that includes quite a few FTC btw!!!) Tell your friends and co-workers to join. Tell the FTC to join as well....at the end of the day, they've got nothing to loose....if they won't have a job at the end of their contract they stop being in the Union, if they do have a job they want decent T&C as well....
Don't just moan - but send an email to your rep! Tell your office as well (they won't care but at least you've given feedback....it's their problem what they make of it.).
Think about the future! If you allow them to start random rostering at the smaller bases, it'll only be a matter of time when they start it in the bigger bases!
Be serious about it and think about the consequences...this might well mean strike action if it comes to that. Think about it: Are you really prepared to go this far? If not, you might as well start random rostering now!
Be aware of politics! I sometimes wonder how much they try to manipulate us to get what they want of us....for example....when they said we can only book 9 days of leave between May and October....huge out-cry, big mess up....company lets us sit with the threat for a while and then says: 'Oops, we didn't mean to upset you, so we are really nice to you now and instead do only 6 days between July and September' and almost everybody is relieved and accepts it without a big moan. My theory is that they wanted to do 6 days between July and September anyway but thought they push it further, firstly, because you never know, you might get away with it and secondly, you'll get away with what you really want and won't get any complaints as the first 'threat' is so much worth.
So I'm almost wondering when the next email comes along and what it will say...
As for the Pulse results....we will get them at a political and strategical convenient moment, in which the company can use them for their goals (which mainly seems to be trying to scare us, so that we won't moan too much, and most importantly, won't ask for more money in October).
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Don't worry londoneasyjetboi I know what its like when your all consumed with anger and your trying to get your point across!
I do hope there is a decent snack pack in this lifeboat if the small bases sink!
I do hope there is a decent snack pack in this lifeboat if the small bases sink!
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someone at stn (dunno who) has printed off loads of petition pages and left them around the crew room for people to sign.. the response from the office is:
it's not official, a crew member has done it off their own back and it probably won't be handed in anyway so no point in signing it'.
I signed it anyway as every little helps!
Regarding T&C, union rep at stn said we all have to sign a new contract if random rostering comes in, as it is a change.
it's not official, a crew member has done it off their own back and it probably won't be handed in anyway so no point in signing it'.
I signed it anyway as every little helps!
Regarding T&C, union rep at stn said we all have to sign a new contract if random rostering comes in, as it is a change.
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Hi guys,
I just want to let you know that a useless Union Rep at Lgw said the other day that as far as he is concern nearly everyone at Lgw is happy about the implementation of random rostering as they have only received 25 e-mails back desagreing to this matter.
I think this is disgusting (not even all the union members got this e-mail) and the unions are accepting a substantial change of contract without balloting it (the normal procedure to follow).
We need to start doing something before they say yes without sending us a ballot for our consent. A ballot needs to be sent to us!!!
God knows what they are getting from Easyjet to do this behind our backs.... but it must be a very good deal!
I just want to let you know that a useless Union Rep at Lgw said the other day that as far as he is concern nearly everyone at Lgw is happy about the implementation of random rostering as they have only received 25 e-mails back desagreing to this matter.
I think this is disgusting (not even all the union members got this e-mail) and the unions are accepting a substantial change of contract without balloting it (the normal procedure to follow).
We need to start doing something before they say yes without sending us a ballot for our consent. A ballot needs to be sent to us!!!
God knows what they are getting from Easyjet to do this behind our backs.... but it must be a very good deal!
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Lauderdale, don't let the truth get in the way of a good piece of scaremongering!
If you are going to refer to things on emails at least refer correctly. The email from TM did not say that sector pay would be cut, it said that the sector pay will instead become taxed at the request of Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs. The amount of money paid to the individual will be the same, but you will instead pay more tax - UNLESS the lobby group of easyJet, BALPA & Unite have any success.
And with regards to the "useless Union Rep at LGW", if you are not happy with that rep, speak to the others! I know that one of the others has had in excess of 30 emails (as around a week and a bit ago) to himself individually. Also, that other rep has set up a group on facebook so that crew can air there comments (It's a private group that only himself and 2 other moderators can invite people to join) so he has a number of comments from that group which express great feeling over the 6 and 3 pattern.
If you are not happy with your union representation at LGW (or a specific individual) you have the right to contact the Union at a more senior level (i.e. not the 737 branch that we are members of (ex-GB crew are different to that)) and submit a complaint.
I emailed 2 of the reps recently (the 2 that share the same email address!) regarding 6 and 3 (something I am passionate about on here, in the easyJet forum and in the crew room), I saw one of them in the crew room the following week and asked if they had received my email, she replied with "I don't think so, but we do have a lot of mail to work through" - so when I got home I immediately forwarded the message onto another rep so that I knew for sure that the message had been received by the union. Saw that rep in the crewroom a couple of days later and was told that it had been received.
Might be worth sending all emails in future to the 4 union reps that we have at LGW to guarantee receipt by at least one of them!
And playing devils advocate here, don't forget that us cabin crew love whingeing and complaining, but how often does a cabin crew member actually put pen to paper (or hand to keyboard) and actually complain to the right people? I have spoken at great length to crew regarding 6 and 3, explaining the pitfalls so that they know just how $hit it will be if it comes in, then I have asked them "Have you complained to the union?" the response has been either "I am not in the union, I don't want to waste a tenner a month on that" or "Nah, ain't got time to mail em, someone else can"
If you are going to refer to things on emails at least refer correctly. The email from TM did not say that sector pay would be cut, it said that the sector pay will instead become taxed at the request of Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs. The amount of money paid to the individual will be the same, but you will instead pay more tax - UNLESS the lobby group of easyJet, BALPA & Unite have any success.
And with regards to the "useless Union Rep at LGW", if you are not happy with that rep, speak to the others! I know that one of the others has had in excess of 30 emails (as around a week and a bit ago) to himself individually. Also, that other rep has set up a group on facebook so that crew can air there comments (It's a private group that only himself and 2 other moderators can invite people to join) so he has a number of comments from that group which express great feeling over the 6 and 3 pattern.
If you are not happy with your union representation at LGW (or a specific individual) you have the right to contact the Union at a more senior level (i.e. not the 737 branch that we are members of (ex-GB crew are different to that)) and submit a complaint.
I emailed 2 of the reps recently (the 2 that share the same email address!) regarding 6 and 3 (something I am passionate about on here, in the easyJet forum and in the crew room), I saw one of them in the crew room the following week and asked if they had received my email, she replied with "I don't think so, but we do have a lot of mail to work through" - so when I got home I immediately forwarded the message onto another rep so that I knew for sure that the message had been received by the union. Saw that rep in the crewroom a couple of days later and was told that it had been received.
Might be worth sending all emails in future to the 4 union reps that we have at LGW to guarantee receipt by at least one of them!
And playing devils advocate here, don't forget that us cabin crew love whingeing and complaining, but how often does a cabin crew member actually put pen to paper (or hand to keyboard) and actually complain to the right people? I have spoken at great length to crew regarding 6 and 3, explaining the pitfalls so that they know just how $hit it will be if it comes in, then I have asked them "Have you complained to the union?" the response has been either "I am not in the union, I don't want to waste a tenner a month on that" or "Nah, ain't got time to mail em, someone else can"
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