RRTrent

Are there many interested L/H QAL's OBM's wanting to transfer to the 380 for the next few aircraft - it's a hot topic on the Airbus now with S/H and AO ex CSM's coming in numbers who would have flown on the a/c for 1 or 2 bid periods before more OBM's are needed (who will probably stroll right into the job from 737's and the like) and also some existing A380 crew seeking a career path.

I wonder what the company would like to do versus what they may have to do versus keeping morale amongst existing crew at the level it is at...surely a small upgrade school can't be too expensive?

Interesting call QCC - hope you get it right and not just based on $$$ - unravelling the current A380 culture (not for all) may be a huge mistake. The 1st 4 (start-up) are here and it's 'supposedly' open to all as of number 5?

Think carefully QCC Managers...it may be a bigger decision and have more significant ramifications than you think.

The real Louise

Patty,No wonder these threads get moved around.Please try and be civil.
They don't know any other way

RRTrent,The problem is that QAL crew are not very interested in the A380 because of the work rules.That means that most crew on it will be QCCA where ever they come from.
The managers know this and there is not much we can do.

twiggs

There will definitely be plenty of QAL crew going to A380 who have aspirations to be an OBM, especially while we still have the right of return.
It's will be the only way to get a promotion for a while I would say.
I think they will give a majority of CSS positions to QCCA and a majority of CSM positions to QAL.
I doubt many CSM positions will go to S/H.

Pegasus747

the current surplus is likely to delay direct promotions as it will create surpluses of OBM's. As soon as the economic downturn turns around in the other direction promotions will be on offer again. Given that until 787 or another type comes along, the only growth vehicle is the A380, ergo the promotions will only on A380.

I think N-BW is correct in that the a CSS with experience on the A380 is more likely to get the CSM A380 gig before a CSS with no A380 experience. And a flight attendant with experience on the A380 will more likely get a CSS A380 gig.

Its the carrot of promotion that QF will dangle for QAL crew to go to A380 in the longer term.

twiggs

I agree with Pegasus and therefore as I said, I think they will give a majority of CSS positions to QCCA(744) and a majority of CSM positions to QAL(744).
Of course this is in the short term.
N-BW of course I am speculating , but that is all I can do.
Thank you for welcoming my post.

Pegasus747

Also if they start appointing the SH Crew to CSM position they will totally burn the LH crew that are already there, and that will not be sensible. It will also see the existing OBM's retaliate by all going back to 747 world and leaving Qantas to deal with the results. The existing OBM"s on the A380 are very keen for for existing QAL and QCCA crew to have opportunities for promotion. The SH are unlikely to be promoted while on temp transfer

Jelly Shots

Can anyone confirm this is true?

Pegasus747

totally incorrect. The FAAA has an iron clad guarantee that you have the right of return to mainline at the expiry of the two years. Some time before the two years are up you will be asked whether you wish to return or extend..(still retaining the right of return) . if you decide to return to mainline you will give the approximate date you wish to return and CC Management have "GUARANTEED" your return give or take a bid period to ensure not everyone returns at the same time.

If that occurs it will be staged over two bid periods to ensure proper balances and transfers back to A380 from mainline.

QED thats it!

GalleyHag

I can assure you that very little interest will be shown in OBM positions from exisiting SH CSM's most are very, very happy to be an F/A for a couple of years.

Yes the ex AO QAL CSM's maybe interested but I highly doubt they would get a serious look in over exisiting QAL LH crew and QCCA crew (but never say never).

When does aircraft number 5 arrive? Whats the vibe like now that a group of SH crew have already gone over onto the aircraft?

Exceptional

Does anyone know if or when recruitment for new CSS/CSM from the existing crew on the A380 will occur.

Exceptional

Thanks for the info

RRTrent

Interesting discussion - I imagine that if the next 2 aircraft are due in November we should see the company play it's hand soon as to how they are going to fill the slots - personally I hope they do offer upgrades and allow everyone across both fleets to apply - it's not as if it is going to be a large number of folk is it?

If QAL are not interested and I doubt can be forced over - then perhaps promotions may well be on the cards...I guess it depends on how big the surplus is and we all know after all these years how hard it is for the company to get the 'numbers' right!!

GalleyHag

Maybe that explains the rumours that QF have decided not to take any more short haul crew over to the A380 until next year although they were advised of their approximate start dates by bid period some time ago. The rumour is the balance of crew scheduled to go over in 266 and the crew for 267 and 268 will not start now until aircraft 7 arrives some time in the new year.

Exceptional

I know a lot of crew on Reserve this bid period that have been sitting around for 10 + more days on stand-by. The A380 is very over staffed at the moment but if they keep rostering back to back LAX with a single X day between trips you can imagine the sick leave will increase.

I also heard a rumour that LHR based crew will be crewing 1 x A380 flight all the way to Sydney next Bid Period so the LHR crew can attend Exceptional.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

GalleyHag

What do you mean by extra hours? I understand QCCA (A380) crew can be rostered more hours than QAL but what sort of hours are you talking?

Grove

If short haul crew are not being transfered to long haul untill aircraft 7 arrives they may be waiting for some time. We were told by an A380 Captain recently that aircraft 5 and 6 will arrive by the end of this year but no more deliverys [ aircraft 7 ] untill Oct next year...

GalleyHag

Well thats the rumour no more training schools for short haul onto A380 this year. They may not have to wait until aircraft 7 but no training will be happening this year.

Does anyone know if the company is obligated to take them now or can they just disguard the arrangement?

Pegasus747

AC 7 is now not due to arrive until mid 2011. All AC due in 2010 have been deferred until 2011

GalleyHag

So where does that leave the crew that were due to go across onto aircraft 4, 5 and 6 from shorthaul? There has been no communication from the company apart from the rumours out on line some people are in the process of moving states I heard today as they are anticipating their start date as per the bid period when they were originally advised.

I was of the understanding this was an agreement between both divisions of the FAAA and the company to avoid CR in long haul so short haul returned the 25% regional flying and all A330 flying domestically and now it appears the company is not going to honour the arrangement.

Crew always knew it was a ploy to reduce the Cairns base which was achieved in Bid Period 265 now it appears that they dont really care about the balance of crew.

This does not directly effect me anymore, however you would think at the very least some sort of communication to the effected crew would be good idea especially if they are packing up house, home and family on the belief they are starting in the bid period advised on the list.

Pegasus747

My understanding is that there are 4 classes of SH crew that are commencing training in Long Haul in the next few months. The crew have been advised of their approximate start date. Other than these 4 classes i am not aware of any others....