View Poll Results: Virgin Blue Crew - Did You vote to accept (Yes) or decline (No) the EBA
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Voters: 57. This poll is closed
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Aaah - so they get you on your computerised sign on/off system, then eh? Cheeky buggers.
I admit defeat on that one - I didn't know you guys did active sign on/off (curses to new technology!)
You're absolutely right Sinala - you shouldn't have to screen your calls to prevent being drafted. Jetstar (and formerly, QantasLink) crew avoided drafting using the whole 'screening' process. Fortunately (or unfortunately, however you look at it), Jet* isn't that keen on spending money on IT, so it was a sure fire way of avoiding it altogether in my playground.
My my brettslave - you seem to have latched onto the word 'tripe' with enormous gusto. Don't get yourself all frothed up now - plenty of time for that later!
I admit defeat on that one - I didn't know you guys did active sign on/off (curses to new technology!)
You're absolutely right Sinala - you shouldn't have to screen your calls to prevent being drafted. Jetstar (and formerly, QantasLink) crew avoided drafting using the whole 'screening' process. Fortunately (or unfortunately, however you look at it), Jet* isn't that keen on spending money on IT, so it was a sure fire way of avoiding it altogether in my playground.
My my brettslave - you seem to have latched onto the word 'tripe' with enormous gusto. Don't get yourself all frothed up now - plenty of time for that later!
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An email has been sent out from DR, asking for our input about the voted down document. A short survey has been put on line via the intranet valide for 7 days, with simple questions.
These are 3 of 8 questions (the other 5 are stats q's):
5: *What were you most uncomfortable with in the proposed EBA?
6: *What appealed to you the most in the proposed EBA?
7: *What other things, if any, apart from the EBA itself influenced your vote?
So think about your answers. Using 'adult' words and repsonses so we can sort this thing out once and for all.
These are 3 of 8 questions (the other 5 are stats q's):
5: *What were you most uncomfortable with in the proposed EBA?
6: *What appealed to you the most in the proposed EBA?
7: *What other things, if any, apart from the EBA itself influenced your vote?
So think about your answers. Using 'adult' words and repsonses so we can sort this thing out once and for all.
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Aaah - so they get you on your computerised sign on/off system, then eh? Cheeky buggers.
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I thought it was a great thing what the pilot did. The information was put out there, whether or not we chose to read it was up to us.
I hope everyone is honest and takes the time to fill out the survey. I thought the question about 'what things other than the actual EBA influenced you in making your decision' was interesting.
Here's to more negotiating and a better deal for the Cabin Crew!
I hope everyone is honest and takes the time to fill out the survey. I thought the question about 'what things other than the actual EBA influenced you in making your decision' was interesting.
Here's to more negotiating and a better deal for the Cabin Crew!
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Exactly crewbus, the company spent thousands and thousands of dollars in advertising using glossy propoganda making up DVDs and priority postage to try to convince us of thier view.
This Pilot used a few hours of his time, and knowledge of how the company works using thier past experience with their EBA. Nothing he wrote, in my mind was wrong, it actaully highlighted all the fine print a lot of us wouldn't have thought of.
Kind of like an insurance policy, a salesman may make it sound really good, but when you buy it and make a claim you find out it wasn't worth the paper written on.
Stand firm guys and when you fill out the survey remember that inflation for the last year has been 3.4% and if you look food and housing seperately it's well above 5%. So if we accept 3% from the company we are going backwards at a huge rate because after tax 3% becomes 2.2%
Our condtions have been going backwards for quite a few years now, we must turn the tide now otherwise they will just keep getting worse.
This Pilot used a few hours of his time, and knowledge of how the company works using thier past experience with their EBA. Nothing he wrote, in my mind was wrong, it actaully highlighted all the fine print a lot of us wouldn't have thought of.
Kind of like an insurance policy, a salesman may make it sound really good, but when you buy it and make a claim you find out it wasn't worth the paper written on.
Stand firm guys and when you fill out the survey remember that inflation for the last year has been 3.4% and if you look food and housing seperately it's well above 5%. So if we accept 3% from the company we are going backwards at a huge rate because after tax 3% becomes 2.2%
Our condtions have been going backwards for quite a few years now, we must turn the tide now otherwise they will just keep getting worse.
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O'l Shep, I think it's safe to assume the FAAA is not aligned with it's members when they emphatically endorse a yes vote which ends up getting voted down by 9 out of 10 members. Even 6 out of 10 would get you thinking but 9 out of 10 hmmm. For a union to recommend a YES vote you'd expect at leat 55% of it's members to be thinking the same. Why did the FAAA not spend more time finding out what we it's members wanted rather than shoving what the company wanted down our throats.
1.3 1.5 1.6 2.1 2.2.5 2.2.7 2.2.8 2.3 3.3.1iv 3.3.3a 3.6.2 3.9.4e.i 3.9.6 3.9.7 3.13 3.13.1 3.15h 3.16.2 2nd 3.17 3.18.1 3.18.2c 3.19 4.2.4a 4.2.10 5.4c are all part of CEBA. (His crew aren't aware of the contradiction.)
He suggests a go around to the crew which means they have to fly back into the climate through which he had already safely navigated. Any changes to the weather front are unknown. Without knowing all the fors and againsts, the crew democratically decide that CEBA is the safer option.
My guess as an outsider is the FAAA recommended a Yes vote for a number of reasons but one of the reasons is that they are the climate specialists. Outsiders only have limited public access to information over the net, but they know what's happening to FA's contractwise in all airlines. They know more than us outsiders. But as union members you have access to the inside information, the best case outcomes having regard to the climate forecast.
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Ol Shep, that's a very nice analogy and assuming a just and perfect world I would accept it. Let's consider this analogy then;
Long haul flight from A to Destination B. Origin A was not a pleasant overnight at all, there were cockroaches in your bed, overnight allowance was barely enough to cover your expences as they deliberately miscalcualted the exchange rate. Crew meals were below standard as the caterers were not payed well and had a grudge against the company. By the time you got to origin A last night you were at boiling point. (this symolises the eroding FA conditions over the last 8 years)
You complain to the rest of your crew and to your union. Your union pretends to listen, and they pretend that they will help you improve things for your next sector A to B. You wake up get ready for work with optimism that things will get better when. You sign on and are told that there are no crew meals what so ever now, your rest periods are less and there will be one less crew member that you have to work harder for to compensate for them not being there. To add insult to injury you're told you have to work an extra sector when you get to B as your conditions have changed.
You turn to your union who have pretended to be there for you to help fight for just conditions only to be told that the industrial conditions have changed and you can only accept what's given to you.
You ponder the changes in industrial conditions and you also ponder the size of the union and the amount of disenged work crew at work and the significance of their job to the safety of the airline and the travelling public. You conclude that your union is not on your side, your work conditions are getting chipped away more and more each time you sign on and you're getting rewarded less and less. you wonder what your union could do to at least keep your current conditions in tact and you conclude WAIT FOR IT ........ A LOT MORE THAN THEY ARE DOING NOW.
You also ponder why they are not doing anything right now and why they are working to actually CUT our working conditions and make the company more profitable...... and you conclude that .... yes.. someone must be getting a cut from the company to help this get through....
Not being blinded by all this you vote NO to the EBA proposal. and guess what so do 9 out of 10 of your work collegues because they are just as sick of this.
What do the guys who were getting a cut think... oh ok, we don't get our cut now damm, they weren't as dumb as we thought they were.
(to clarify Cut could mean any form of underhanded reward)
O'l shep I think this is a slightly more realistic analogy for you my friend.
Long haul flight from A to Destination B. Origin A was not a pleasant overnight at all, there were cockroaches in your bed, overnight allowance was barely enough to cover your expences as they deliberately miscalcualted the exchange rate. Crew meals were below standard as the caterers were not payed well and had a grudge against the company. By the time you got to origin A last night you were at boiling point. (this symolises the eroding FA conditions over the last 8 years)
You complain to the rest of your crew and to your union. Your union pretends to listen, and they pretend that they will help you improve things for your next sector A to B. You wake up get ready for work with optimism that things will get better when. You sign on and are told that there are no crew meals what so ever now, your rest periods are less and there will be one less crew member that you have to work harder for to compensate for them not being there. To add insult to injury you're told you have to work an extra sector when you get to B as your conditions have changed.
You turn to your union who have pretended to be there for you to help fight for just conditions only to be told that the industrial conditions have changed and you can only accept what's given to you.
You ponder the changes in industrial conditions and you also ponder the size of the union and the amount of disenged work crew at work and the significance of their job to the safety of the airline and the travelling public. You conclude that your union is not on your side, your work conditions are getting chipped away more and more each time you sign on and you're getting rewarded less and less. you wonder what your union could do to at least keep your current conditions in tact and you conclude WAIT FOR IT ........ A LOT MORE THAN THEY ARE DOING NOW.
You also ponder why they are not doing anything right now and why they are working to actually CUT our working conditions and make the company more profitable...... and you conclude that .... yes.. someone must be getting a cut from the company to help this get through....
Not being blinded by all this you vote NO to the EBA proposal. and guess what so do 9 out of 10 of your work collegues because they are just as sick of this.
What do the guys who were getting a cut think... oh ok, we don't get our cut now damm, they weren't as dumb as we thought they were.
(to clarify Cut could mean any form of underhanded reward)
O'l shep I think this is a slightly more realistic analogy for you my friend.
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Here's a challenge for you
I challenge anyone to go out there and get a job that pays just as much as we do for the hours that we work (or still would have had to work under the new EBA) in a month. Me thinks that you would be hard up to find anything anywhere close to it. I have worked a lot harder for a lot less in other jobs (including management jobs I have held down) and I think that this is the crusiest job in the history of jobs.
Something tells me that greed and the necessity to squeeze every last drop of money out of a company who's primary role in Australia is to provide low cost fares to the public. We are working in one of the highest paid non-skilled jobs out there and the new EBA would have still kept us up there with the best of them. But its a pity not all of us really understand this or want to understand this.
For those of you who are really that unhappy, perhaps you should look for another job.
Also, another thing to mention, has anyone even entertained the idea that most pilots out there wanted to ensure that the vote was NO in order to make their own case stronger?? So they can say in their negotiations "see, even the F/A's are getting a raw deal" Why do you think that so many pilots were putting their 2 cents worth in when it came to our EBA? How many F/A's made comments about the EBA put forward to the pilots???? Not many I am guessing.
So I ask this question, who is fooling who????
Something tells me that greed and the necessity to squeeze every last drop of money out of a company who's primary role in Australia is to provide low cost fares to the public. We are working in one of the highest paid non-skilled jobs out there and the new EBA would have still kept us up there with the best of them. But its a pity not all of us really understand this or want to understand this.
For those of you who are really that unhappy, perhaps you should look for another job.
Also, another thing to mention, has anyone even entertained the idea that most pilots out there wanted to ensure that the vote was NO in order to make their own case stronger?? So they can say in their negotiations "see, even the F/A's are getting a raw deal" Why do you think that so many pilots were putting their 2 cents worth in when it came to our EBA? How many F/A's made comments about the EBA put forward to the pilots???? Not many I am guessing.
So I ask this question, who is fooling who????
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ruddman and ccguy,
You call it winging call me stupid but I call it standing up for my own and my work collegues conditions. I call it not going backwards in conditions and getting paid 3% before tax when after tax inflation is 3.4% I call it caring out my future in this job. But if you want to call it winging that's ok by me and everyone else who voted NO 
It's people like you who erode our conditions because you sell us all short.
Why have our conditions eroded over the last 8 years, were we being paid too much?? Do you believe we were paid to much and are still being paid too much.
Do you consider our job, just a job or a vocation. How you answer this question really says a lot. If I had my family on your flight, i'd hate for them to be subjected to a FA who was just doing a job. They should love thier work and be proud of their ability to handle emergencies etc while still serving customers.
If you feel so passionate about keeping companies profitable go and work in Asia, where your loyal work ethic and lack of regard for your conditions would see you at home. You may even get a chance to practice your evac skills for real. And your pay would be about what your proposing us to accept in the long run.
As for getting a job that pays just as good, I could go and teach and make more money, and be home every night.
It's about time you woke up to the fact that the average wage is now over $50K a year. This is 2007 not 1998.
What agenda do you guys have,whatever it is it's not working sorry
Just when I thought I'd heard it all with this pathetic post from another whinging f/a, somebody correctly puts it in persecptive:
It's people like you who erode our conditions because you sell us all short.
Why have our conditions eroded over the last 8 years, were we being paid too much?? Do you believe we were paid to much and are still being paid too much.
Do you consider our job, just a job or a vocation. How you answer this question really says a lot. If I had my family on your flight, i'd hate for them to be subjected to a FA who was just doing a job. They should love thier work and be proud of their ability to handle emergencies etc while still serving customers.
If you feel so passionate about keeping companies profitable go and work in Asia, where your loyal work ethic and lack of regard for your conditions would see you at home. You may even get a chance to practice your evac skills for real. And your pay would be about what your proposing us to accept in the long run.
As for getting a job that pays just as good, I could go and teach and make more money, and be home every night.
It's about time you woke up to the fact that the average wage is now over $50K a year. This is 2007 not 1998.
What agenda do you guys have,whatever it is it's not working sorry
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CCguy who cares that the pilots have agreed with our decision. Ultimately we decided to vote no, they had nothing to do with our EBA. You're trying to find a scapegoat and your barking up the wrong tree.
If the EBA even payed inflation and didn't go backwards we probably would have voted it in.
If the EBA even payed inflation and didn't go backwards we probably would have voted it in.
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Let me start by saying "brettslave" I don't "just do my job" I am very good at my job and my Propel's have proven that. I put in more than 100% into this job because I believe that we are paid quite fairly for what we do. If your family we're to fly on one of my flights, I would treat them just as I treat any other guest, with respect, have some fun, and all while being aware that their safety is of utmost concern.
Companies need to remain profitable to continue to operate. Remember Ansett? A great airline but was run into the ground because of poor management and the fact that it's employees were overpaid. Across all departments including its Flight Attendants.
Its funny you say you would get more for being a teacher. Its nice to see that you compare apples with bananas. Being a teacher is a skilled profession. People need to study at uni for around 4 years before they can even step foot into a classroom and teach. We spend 5 weeks in a training room to learn our jobs. So, I think that your comparison is flawed. Try again.
Oh, and if the average wage is over $50K, are you talking for skilled or non-skilled workers? I have spent the last 8 years as a call centre representative for a variety of companies (including airlines) and the average wage is usually between $35k to $45k. This is including the shift work.
I think there are many people out there in the general public who would laugh at the comment that the average wage is over $50k a year.
According to the Bureau of Statistics, the average wage in Queensland was $35,917 for 2003-2004. Even if you factor in a 3.4% increase in wages every year (pretending that wages increased by the average CPI every year), you would get around $39,705 for 2006-2007. Kind of a far cry from the "average of over $50k" you predicted.
All in all, as F/A's, we are paid over and above what would be required to be paid to us if we were on an award. Let's all be realistic here. Oh, and when you quote figures, remember to be a little more accurate.
Come on guys, look at the bigger picture, are we really going to be that worse off with the new EBA that we won't be able to afford our rent or food or anything else for that matter. Just food for thought, my partner earns about $35k a year and I work less hours than he does and yet I earn more. A little perspective goes a long way.
Companies need to remain profitable to continue to operate. Remember Ansett? A great airline but was run into the ground because of poor management and the fact that it's employees were overpaid. Across all departments including its Flight Attendants.
Its funny you say you would get more for being a teacher. Its nice to see that you compare apples with bananas. Being a teacher is a skilled profession. People need to study at uni for around 4 years before they can even step foot into a classroom and teach. We spend 5 weeks in a training room to learn our jobs. So, I think that your comparison is flawed. Try again.
Oh, and if the average wage is over $50K, are you talking for skilled or non-skilled workers? I have spent the last 8 years as a call centre representative for a variety of companies (including airlines) and the average wage is usually between $35k to $45k. This is including the shift work.
I think there are many people out there in the general public who would laugh at the comment that the average wage is over $50k a year.
According to the Bureau of Statistics, the average wage in Queensland was $35,917 for 2003-2004. Even if you factor in a 3.4% increase in wages every year (pretending that wages increased by the average CPI every year), you would get around $39,705 for 2006-2007. Kind of a far cry from the "average of over $50k" you predicted.
All in all, as F/A's, we are paid over and above what would be required to be paid to us if we were on an award. Let's all be realistic here. Oh, and when you quote figures, remember to be a little more accurate.
Come on guys, look at the bigger picture, are we really going to be that worse off with the new EBA that we won't be able to afford our rent or food or anything else for that matter. Just food for thought, my partner earns about $35k a year and I work less hours than he does and yet I earn more. A little perspective goes a long way.
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CCguy, you were very particular with the stats you chose I wonder why. NOW I'M REALLY STARTING TO THINK YOU HAVE AN AGENDA.
Why not use the 2006 figures and why not choose Australia wide we are after all in 2007 last I looked and we are spread over 3 bases.
My figures come from here http://australia.emigratenz.org/salaries-australia.html
Notice Queensland is now $50,270 and Victoria is $53,175 so somewhere in between these figure from my calculations would put the average wage as ABOVE $50000 tell me if I'm wrong.
If you really want to be intelligent have a good look at the transport sector you'll find the average wage there is $53735 which is above the average wage.
LAUGHABLE, I'm not sure depends if you're delerious after a red eye. Reality YES.
Yes I do have qualifications, but being a FA is not a job that is classed as an average menial job like cleaning or waitressing or working behind a bar or call center for that matter. It might not be as skilled as some jobs but it does involve a pretty tough selection process last time I looked. So you can't do this job if you were an average dim wit off the street.
Not long ago Cabin crew were making more than teachers, why have things changed.
Oh and the old Ansett argument. Do some homework you'll find Ansett did not collapse because it was paying too much in wages. Far from it. Don't believe all the propoganda you hear from this company.
As I said if you think you don't deserve your conditions go and work with an asian carrier with a second rate airline, or better still go and work with your boyfriend.
Oh and I couldn't resisit: Oh, and when you quote figures, remember to be a little more accurate.
Why not use the 2006 figures and why not choose Australia wide we are after all in 2007 last I looked and we are spread over 3 bases.
My figures come from here http://australia.emigratenz.org/salaries-australia.html
Notice Queensland is now $50,270 and Victoria is $53,175 so somewhere in between these figure from my calculations would put the average wage as ABOVE $50000 tell me if I'm wrong.
If you really want to be intelligent have a good look at the transport sector you'll find the average wage there is $53735 which is above the average wage.
LAUGHABLE, I'm not sure depends if you're delerious after a red eye. Reality YES.
Yes I do have qualifications, but being a FA is not a job that is classed as an average menial job like cleaning or waitressing or working behind a bar or call center for that matter. It might not be as skilled as some jobs but it does involve a pretty tough selection process last time I looked. So you can't do this job if you were an average dim wit off the street.
Not long ago Cabin crew were making more than teachers, why have things changed.
Oh and the old Ansett argument. Do some homework you'll find Ansett did not collapse because it was paying too much in wages. Far from it. Don't believe all the propoganda you hear from this company.
As I said if you think you don't deserve your conditions go and work with an asian carrier with a second rate airline, or better still go and work with your boyfriend.
Oh and I couldn't resisit: Oh, and when you quote figures, remember to be a little more accurate.
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Come on guys is the company not making record profits, if it was struggling maybe we would think of cutting our conditions, but do your homework, here I've done some for you.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/...erg/sxblue.php
We need to at least keep our current conditions. I believe under these conditions we should be improving our conditions.
(CCguy you'll notice the article is dated Feb 2007, handy that eh )
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/...erg/sxblue.php
We need to at least keep our current conditions. I believe under these conditions we should be improving our conditions.
(CCguy you'll notice the article is dated Feb 2007, handy that eh
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A reminder - play the ball, not the player - scoring points off each other may be fascinating for those involved, but is pretty tedious for everybody else who has to read it.
EBA's tend to be emotive - posts that allow emotion to dominate at the expense of courtesy and clarity will be deleted.
EBA's tend to be emotive - posts that allow emotion to dominate at the expense of courtesy and clarity will be deleted.
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I second everything you have said Brettslave 
- but there is no use analysing the EBA anymore as it was a firm and rightfully so NO. Lets just do our job and do our job well and wait with a bit of patience to see what they come back with. It's out of our hands for now.
By the way, we earn every cent of the money we earn. I too went to university for five long years and have qualifications and of course used them. However I have never experienced such a toll on my body like this job gives (fatigue, constantly knocked out with colds and flus - mind you I'm a very fit guy), being away from my family half the month, and also basically giving up your entire life 24 hours, 7 days a week (which is fine as I love the job). Yet, no one in their right mind should say we have a cruisy job and get paid more then we should. No it's not astro physics but we do know how to evacuate 180 passengers in under 90 seconds if we needed to hahahahaha
Come on guys, let's stick together and put up a fight for what we rightfully deserve - and that's a better EBA than the one they have offered. 89.7% of us think so.
- but there is no use analysing the EBA anymore as it was a firm and rightfully so NO. Lets just do our job and do our job well and wait with a bit of patience to see what they come back with. It's out of our hands for now.By the way, we earn every cent of the money we earn. I too went to university for five long years and have qualifications and of course used them. However I have never experienced such a toll on my body like this job gives (fatigue, constantly knocked out with colds and flus - mind you I'm a very fit guy), being away from my family half the month, and also basically giving up your entire life 24 hours, 7 days a week (which is fine as I love the job). Yet, no one in their right mind should say we have a cruisy job and get paid more then we should. No it's not astro physics but we do know how to evacuate 180 passengers in under 90 seconds if we needed to hahahahaha
Come on guys, let's stick together and put up a fight for what we rightfully deserve - and that's a better EBA than the one they have offered. 89.7% of us think so.
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Don't forget to reply to the survey......
I too agree with you wholeheartedly, Brettslave!
However, amongst all this passionate debate, please everyone don't forget to reply to the survey that has been sent to us.
NOW is our chance to unemotively state what we did and didn't like about the voted down document - and hopefully have management look at this and rectify the disliked parts of the EBA.
Happy Easter!
Cheers,
Bvb
However, amongst all this passionate debate, please everyone don't forget to reply to the survey that has been sent to us.
NOW is our chance to unemotively state what we did and didn't like about the voted down document - and hopefully have management look at this and rectify the disliked parts of the EBA.
Happy Easter!
Cheers,
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AND I would like to second those comments made by 737NG_girl.
It was the conditions that I was most unhappy with the propsed EBA - the wages, well I was generally satisfied with what was on offer.
Why should we accept conditions which are not as good as what we currently have (or worse in some cases)? I for one don't want to be flogged out there everyday for a slight increase in renumeration.
It was the conditions that I was most unhappy with the propsed EBA - the wages, well I was generally satisfied with what was on offer.
Why should we accept conditions which are not as good as what we currently have (or worse in some cases)? I for one don't want to be flogged out there everyday for a slight increase in renumeration.
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Why was my rather long post deleted?? It was not "playing the player" - it was merely proving Ruddmans lack of credibility as a participant in this discussion. If it was because of one sentence in reference to doors and butts, well I would request my post is reinstated minus that particular line please.