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Well i hope it gets better there for you guys. I still keep in touch with alot people and i know they're really struggling with it.
I struggled with the RED let alone everything else haha!
I just hope they keep their promises. I suspect further redundancies including cabin crew. If not i think they'll continue with these awfull standby rosters in the hope more people leave. What about you?
I struggled with the RED let alone everything else haha!
I just hope they keep their promises. I suspect further redundancies including cabin crew. If not i think they'll continue with these awfull standby rosters in the hope more people leave. What about you?
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Blimey Guys
Not been on here for a few weeks, and in that time there seems to be a few new faces expressing their opinions. And alot of it seems to be negative towards flybe.
Ex BA guys I was at flybe for 6 years up to 2005 and all the crap you are putting up with now, is the same crap we all went through in my 6 years at flybe.
It is still amazing to see so many people complaining about the same things we did and still flybe cant get it sorted.
Not been on here for a few weeks, and in that time there seems to be a few new faces expressing their opinions. And alot of it seems to be negative towards flybe.
Ex BA guys I was at flybe for 6 years up to 2005 and all the crap you are putting up with now, is the same crap we all went through in my 6 years at flybe.
It is still amazing to see so many people complaining about the same things we did and still flybe cant get it sorted.
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Ever since I found out about the takeover - (I found out when boarding an aircraft + pax told me about it) I have been positive + kept morale high in the crew room - I have NEVER been pessimistic about it. Until now. I feel like such a fool for thinking it would be good. A lot of crew have been treated very badly - including myself + it is such a shame that a happy base has been ripped apart. I am actively looking for another job + am desperate to get out. Tiggerific - my roster is the same - lates before days off - back in on earlies! WHY??? 
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my roster is the same - lates before days off - back in on earlies! WHY???
Not sure its going to get much better for the DH3 and 145 crews as, flybe want rid of those a/c asap.
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I worked for a handling agent for 6 years + did not mind going from lates to earlies half way through my week as I knew I would be able to get decent time off surrounding my days off.
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It's worth noting that if Flybe were able to allow you to operate lates one day into earlies the next then they would, provided it was safe which is questionable at best.
Unfortunately the CAA deem this to be unsuitable and CAP371 means that you can't have lates into earlies. This is not Flybe's doing so its not so fair to gripe at them.
It is a fact that to be rostered lates going to earlies in order to maximise days off requires a massive increase in staff and with margins in the industry so tight, I guess it is a cost that simply cannot be born.
Unfortunately the CAA deem this to be unsuitable and CAP371 means that you can't have lates into earlies. This is not Flybe's doing so its not so fair to gripe at them.
It is a fact that to be rostered lates going to earlies in order to maximise days off requires a massive increase in staff and with margins in the industry so tight, I guess it is a cost that simply cannot be born.
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so why is something like this so hard
Day 1 = late 1- 9
Day 2 = late 1- 9
Day 3 = mid 10-6
Day 4 = Early 6 - 2
Day 5 = Early 6-2
Is that SO difficult???you get legal rest period between each duty there.the transition wouldnt be too bad.i dont see why flybe find it a problem.im going to get my old bacon rosters out and have a look how it worked with days off finishing times there.
Day 1 = late 1- 9
Day 2 = late 1- 9
Day 3 = mid 10-6
Day 4 = Early 6 - 2
Day 5 = Early 6-2
Is that SO difficult???you get legal rest period between each duty there.the transition wouldnt be too bad.i dont see why flybe find it a problem.im going to get my old bacon rosters out and have a look how it worked with days off finishing times there.
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The low cost model means using as few crews as possible to run each days programme. To give the middle duties to allow you to go from lates to earlies you have to split the working day into 3 duties (early, middle and late). This means you then need 3 crews a day rather than 2 if you just have lates and earlies which is an increase of 50%. There lies you problem. The only low cost way to get round this is to do blocks of lates and earlies i.e. 5 earlies 2 off 5 lates ect.... This is what is done at easyjet but it required special permission from the CAA. My understanding is that the CAA are extreemly reluctant to grant this to anyone else...............
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Hi Everyone,
Just to say I've been reading with great interest re: ex bacon/flybe thread. I'm one of the unfortunate Brs ex Bacon crew (or fortunate depending on which way you look at it!) and have just taken "voluntary redundancy." It was a very hard decision to make but my "gut feeling," especially after reading the latest postings on this site, was to take the money on offer and run like the wind! I do feel very fortunate that I was offered this option but this in no way makes up for the way we have all been treated, especially at Bristol.
I feel very let down by BA (ie Willie Walsh) and the management at Flybe. I was thinking about relocating to Exeter at one stage but I'm so glad I didn't...My rosters with Flybe have also been hideous, permanent s/b's or 4 day tours. One particular duty involved 6 sectors then positioning back from LGW. A taxi was provided rather than a hire car, I do hasten to add! How generous
I, personally, along with a lot of other crew from Brs have decided not to wait the 90 day consultation period and asked for early release as I wish to keep my sanity and my boyfriend! Being on permanent s/b was supposed to be acceptable? How can you plan anything?
We didn't know we had it so good when we were at Bacon. Never mind, all good things must come to an end I suppose. I will never moan about staying at the Thistle in Gla or airport s/b's ever again!
I really hope that things improve for everyone at Flybe. The sad thing is that the original Flybe crew probably have nothing better to compare their company to, and think that the way things are at the moment are "normal", but this definitely isn't how an airline should be run. It's a complete shambles.
Please let the bacon/flybe thread continue! It makes me realise that redundancy was the best option for me
Good luck for the future
Just to say I've been reading with great interest re: ex bacon/flybe thread. I'm one of the unfortunate Brs ex Bacon crew (or fortunate depending on which way you look at it!) and have just taken "voluntary redundancy." It was a very hard decision to make but my "gut feeling," especially after reading the latest postings on this site, was to take the money on offer and run like the wind! I do feel very fortunate that I was offered this option but this in no way makes up for the way we have all been treated, especially at Bristol.
I feel very let down by BA (ie Willie Walsh) and the management at Flybe. I was thinking about relocating to Exeter at one stage but I'm so glad I didn't...My rosters with Flybe have also been hideous, permanent s/b's or 4 day tours. One particular duty involved 6 sectors then positioning back from LGW. A taxi was provided rather than a hire car, I do hasten to add! How generous
I, personally, along with a lot of other crew from Brs have decided not to wait the 90 day consultation period and asked for early release as I wish to keep my sanity and my boyfriend! Being on permanent s/b was supposed to be acceptable? How can you plan anything?
We didn't know we had it so good when we were at Bacon. Never mind, all good things must come to an end I suppose. I will never moan about staying at the Thistle in Gla or airport s/b's ever again!
I really hope that things improve for everyone at Flybe. The sad thing is that the original Flybe crew probably have nothing better to compare their company to, and think that the way things are at the moment are "normal", but this definitely isn't how an airline should be run. It's a complete shambles.
Please let the bacon/flybe thread continue! It makes me realise that redundancy was the best option for me
Good luck for the future
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We didn't know we had it so good when we were at Bacon. Never mind, all good things must come to an end I suppose. I will never moan about staying at the Thistle in Gla or airport s/b's ever again!
You say you will never complain about things again, after been at Flybe you realise you had it so good at BAcon well maybe you guys did and thats was the maybe part of the problem, it was making a loss and would be not be here today if someone like Flybe didnt take it on. Theres a lot of ex bacon crew glad there still working and have a job.
Lets get real things are having to change, and it will get better for all.
Its only been two months you carnt merge two airlines over night its going to take at least a year to settle down.
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Well 1964Nick, explain that to all my friends who have been made redundant, oh thats right you can't because they don't have a job anymore!
When we say we had it good at Bacon, we don't mean we didn't work. We worked very hard and most of us were touring constantly, however as much as that meant we were away from family/friends etc at least we picked up a wage that we could live off.
My last 3 wages at Bacon were around £1,500 take home. My first one with Flybe £800! Due to standbys etc
You may think that ex bacon crew should stop moaning etc but you obviously don't know how it feels to go thru such a drastic change, that was simply a change for the worst!!
Once again (as i have now left) i wish everyone the best of luck and i really do hope it all works out
When we say we had it good at Bacon, we don't mean we didn't work. We worked very hard and most of us were touring constantly, however as much as that meant we were away from family/friends etc at least we picked up a wage that we could live off.
My last 3 wages at Bacon were around £1,500 take home. My first one with Flybe £800! Due to standbys etc
You may think that ex bacon crew should stop moaning etc but you obviously don't know how it feels to go thru such a drastic change, that was simply a change for the worst!!
Once again (as i have now left) i wish everyone the best of luck and i really do hope it all works out
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I really hope that things improve for everyone at Flybe. The sad thing is that the original Flybe crew probably have nothing better to compare their company to, and think that the way things are at the moment are "normal", but this definitely isn't how an airline should be run. It's a complete shambles.
Miss Bacon are you trying to politely say that Flybe crew can't make it into other airlines? Most if not all at my base are ex-flyer's with other airlines (even bigger than BA) and are simply at Flybe for personal reasons such as being based at home as it a regional airline, based in regional areas. As you probably know (being based at BRS) you don't have a lot of options in some airports and not everyone wants to move to LGW,LHR and most have been there done that.
Miss Bacon are you trying to politely say that Flybe crew can't make it into other airlines? Most if not all at my base are ex-flyer's with other airlines (even bigger than BA) and are simply at Flybe for personal reasons such as being based at home as it a regional airline, based in regional areas. As you probably know (being based at BRS) you don't have a lot of options in some airports and not everyone wants to move to LGW,LHR and most have been there done that.
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Reflections...................
Been a while since I last posted on this thread, that I originally started as a way to perhaps ensure the merger of BACON into Flybe had a specific forum for cabin crew from both disciplines to air their views. I deliberately have not posted for some time, as I wanted to give the new airline a bit of a chance, but now feel it is time for another contribution.
I have to say from the outset that the majority of flybe crews are great folk, fun to be with in the crew room and that the new 'quiet' room is a great idea, given that we now seem to be living in a zoo with everyone mingling about in an auditorium atmosphere!
However that's about as good as it gets! "No nightstops" we were told before the buyout, well my roster is nothing but touring now, or standbys cleared. Crewing are a joke, they don't give a toss about the crews and seem to delight in pi**ing us off by adding extra sectors, when they are not totally cocking up and forgetting to cover trips!
The fleet support is not good, our PM's seem to spend all their time firefighting, apart from the solitary male who seems to do his own thing and swans around upsetting crew for fun. Humour? I think not! Sickness is high and no-one seems to give a toss if anyone chucks a sicky, and we are therefore short of crew on the Barbie Jet, which I understand will not improve as there are no plans to licence current dash/big embraer onto it.
Lots of ex BACON crew have left, and speaking in the crew room it looks like about 50 or so have been accepted into BA shorthaul and are awaiting course dates, so lots of expertese and experience will dissapear with them.
Ground handling is a joke, I can't believe the way Swissport talk to customers and we get little support from them. All the lovely ex BA ground staff left on Monday, so God knows what it's gonna be like in the future!!
As for me, I'm going to go with the others as soon as BA will have me. It's so very sad, we had a great base here, but Flybe does not do what it says on the tin!
Not sour grapes at all, I suppose I could stay and see if it improves, but I really don't believe this company has either the will or the expertese to improve. It will be nice to go somewhere with decent agreements, proper support and job satisfaction, even if it means a 100 mile commute each way!!
Best of luck to all who stay. I really hoped Fybe would be a good place to work, but I have seen nothing in the last few months to encourage me to stay.
I am sure I will get some " Well go then if you can't stand the heat" type messages, but really guys, do you honestly think Flybe want to get any better and treat their passengers and crew with repsect? I don't see any evidence of it.
Sad, so Sad!
I have to say from the outset that the majority of flybe crews are great folk, fun to be with in the crew room and that the new 'quiet' room is a great idea, given that we now seem to be living in a zoo with everyone mingling about in an auditorium atmosphere!
However that's about as good as it gets! "No nightstops" we were told before the buyout, well my roster is nothing but touring now, or standbys cleared. Crewing are a joke, they don't give a toss about the crews and seem to delight in pi**ing us off by adding extra sectors, when they are not totally cocking up and forgetting to cover trips!
The fleet support is not good, our PM's seem to spend all their time firefighting, apart from the solitary male who seems to do his own thing and swans around upsetting crew for fun. Humour? I think not! Sickness is high and no-one seems to give a toss if anyone chucks a sicky, and we are therefore short of crew on the Barbie Jet, which I understand will not improve as there are no plans to licence current dash/big embraer onto it.
Lots of ex BACON crew have left, and speaking in the crew room it looks like about 50 or so have been accepted into BA shorthaul and are awaiting course dates, so lots of expertese and experience will dissapear with them.
Ground handling is a joke, I can't believe the way Swissport talk to customers and we get little support from them. All the lovely ex BA ground staff left on Monday, so God knows what it's gonna be like in the future!!
As for me, I'm going to go with the others as soon as BA will have me. It's so very sad, we had a great base here, but Flybe does not do what it says on the tin!
Not sour grapes at all, I suppose I could stay and see if it improves, but I really don't believe this company has either the will or the expertese to improve. It will be nice to go somewhere with decent agreements, proper support and job satisfaction, even if it means a 100 mile commute each way!!
Best of luck to all who stay. I really hoped Fybe would be a good place to work, but I have seen nothing in the last few months to encourage me to stay.
I am sure I will get some " Well go then if you can't stand the heat" type messages, but really guys, do you honestly think Flybe want to get any better and treat their passengers and crew with repsect? I don't see any evidence of it.
Sad, so Sad!
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I had just applied today for BA cc based at Edinburgh and today i received an email saying due to large volume of interest and after careful consideration i am unsuccessful.
I have a forthcoming interview with BMED and just had an interview with Virgin, where am i going wrong?
BMED are i believe very keen but i am not as keen with Virgin.
I have never had a knock back at an early stage from any airline so far so i am a bit deflated at this.
I thought BA / FLYBE are keen to get more crew onboard?
I have a forthcoming interview with BMED and just had an interview with Virgin, where am i going wrong?
BMED are i believe very keen but i am not as keen with Virgin.
I have never had a knock back at an early stage from any airline so far so i am a bit deflated at this.
I thought BA / FLYBE are keen to get more crew onboard?