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There is a very interesting interview with Kell Ryan the co-founder of Ryan air on D & G section....
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=260474
It is interesting because it shows what we are up against and that he honestly thinks that unions are the problem.He mentions that in the US one union wanted a 68% pay rise and that was not on.
What about the pay rises that our board gives themselves..I suppose that is OK
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=260474
It is interesting because it shows what we are up against and that he honestly thinks that unions are the problem.He mentions that in the US one union wanted a 68% pay rise and that was not on.
What about the pay rises that our board gives themselves..I suppose that is OK
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lowerlobe,
Mate,I reckon we might have hit on a nerve there someplace.We talk about ideas for our next eba and to give us a shot at protecting our jobs and a couple of fella's try to close us down.
I mean the bloke does not even work for qf let alone as a f/a and he posts on the qf thread and wants the mod to shut us down.
I reckon this means the office or someone does not want us to talk and do a bit of brainstorming for ideas about our eba.Kinda desparate don'tcha think.
Anway lets keep going with the ideas .
Mate,I reckon we might have hit on a nerve there someplace.We talk about ideas for our next eba and to give us a shot at protecting our jobs and a couple of fella's try to close us down.
I mean the bloke does not even work for qf let alone as a f/a and he posts on the qf thread and wants the mod to shut us down.
I reckon this means the office or someone does not want us to talk and do a bit of brainstorming for ideas about our eba.Kinda desparate don'tcha think.
Anway lets keep going with the ideas .
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You guys still don't get it.
It has nothing to with what you are posting.
It is the way you guys constantly criticize the poster rather than the post.
Not only is it a breach of the forum rules to accuse people of being management or working in the office or whatever, it is a waste of time because it cannot be proved or disproved.
Get over it, people have views that differ from your own and they have a right to express them, and by expressing those views it cannot be inferred that they worship the CEO.
I am constantly being referred to as someone who works in the office or the like.
For what?
I have also recently been accused of supporting the demise of L/H cabin crew.
Why would I want that when I am one myself?
I merely disagree with the old school mentality that is predominant here.
It has nothing to with what you are posting.
It is the way you guys constantly criticize the poster rather than the post.
Not only is it a breach of the forum rules to accuse people of being management or working in the office or whatever, it is a waste of time because it cannot be proved or disproved.
Get over it, people have views that differ from your own and they have a right to express them, and by expressing those views it cannot be inferred that they worship the CEO.
I am constantly being referred to as someone who works in the office or the like.
For what?
I have also recently been accused of supporting the demise of L/H cabin crew.
Why would I want that when I am one myself?
I merely disagree with the old school mentality that is predominant here.
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I haven't posted on here for a few days as i appeared to do alittle too much stirring and trouble making.
It appears you dont need a SH'er posting on here to have problems and arguements.
QF LH crew seem to do a fine job of that between themselves.
Goodluck!!
It appears you dont need a SH'er posting on here to have problems and arguements.
QF LH crew seem to do a fine job of that between themselves.
Goodluck!!
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OK here is an invitation to Twiggs and Sydney S/H..
Instead of adding to the angst on this thread here is an opportunity to add a constructive post….up to you!!!!!
Speedbirdhouse,
Apart from the fact that the company knows about our union meetings within minutes of them I don't see that discussing them here will do anything to harm us.All we are doing is talking about ideas.
The FAAA has already signalled that they thought that an early EBA was in our interests and that we are in the unions opinion the most expensive cabin crew in the Qantas group.
The company knows that we are willing to accept various compromises to keep our jobs.
What concerns me is that the FAAA will not tell us what they are doing and at the end of it they will say something like..."We have had a huge win and recommend that you vote YES for this"
I don't see the need for these talks to be confidential and secret.What has the company and the union to hide.If the company wants us to work 300 hours a roster ..etc.... then we should know about that.
Instead of adding to the angst on this thread here is an opportunity to add a constructive post….up to you!!!!!
Speedbirdhouse,
Apart from the fact that the company knows about our union meetings within minutes of them I don't see that discussing them here will do anything to harm us.All we are doing is talking about ideas.
The FAAA has already signalled that they thought that an early EBA was in our interests and that we are in the unions opinion the most expensive cabin crew in the Qantas group.
The company knows that we are willing to accept various compromises to keep our jobs.
What concerns me is that the FAAA will not tell us what they are doing and at the end of it they will say something like..."We have had a huge win and recommend that you vote YES for this"
I don't see the need for these talks to be confidential and secret.What has the company and the union to hide.If the company wants us to work 300 hours a roster ..etc.... then we should know about that.
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Macq Bank Plans.....
Fairly new to this site - but have been reading for a bit.
I've some news that all Qantas crew may find useful about the proposed plans that Macquarie Bank have for the near future of cabin crew.
LAX base - definitely happening. Mostly US employee's (more than 70%) and the remaining crew complement will be made up of NZ based crew (who will / are being trained as Onboard Managers). Won't be like the London base as Australians won't be able to transfer up there.
VR - more to come for mostly LongHaul.
JoBurgs - going.
A380 - won't be going to Long Haul as it currently stands, but will be a separate division (if you get to fly on it at all, given the LAX & LHR base will do most of the flying on the longer sectors!).
EBA - Going. They have no interest in keeping the current EBA and thinking of striking? Great - they're spoiling for a fight and are keen to get rid of as many LH'ers as possible. Apparently, they have advice that the current EBA can be terminated with 90 days notice, even though it existed prior to the current legislation being implemented.
Long Haul -v- Short Haul - Nope. Think one division - Mid Haul! 737's are probably going to go to regional.
These are some of the proposals on the drawing board - with most of them having very strong support. Interesting times ahead.
Don't shoot me for the info. You should seriously think about partitioning Mark Vaille, Minister for Transport, who has said on the record that he doesn't want jobs being shipped off shore. He made specific references to Engineering - so maybe you should get his support to make sure cabin crew jobs stay in Australia as well (or at least you get an option to fly out of the other bases).
Good luck
I've some news that all Qantas crew may find useful about the proposed plans that Macquarie Bank have for the near future of cabin crew.
LAX base - definitely happening. Mostly US employee's (more than 70%) and the remaining crew complement will be made up of NZ based crew (who will / are being trained as Onboard Managers). Won't be like the London base as Australians won't be able to transfer up there.
VR - more to come for mostly LongHaul.
JoBurgs - going.
A380 - won't be going to Long Haul as it currently stands, but will be a separate division (if you get to fly on it at all, given the LAX & LHR base will do most of the flying on the longer sectors!).
EBA - Going. They have no interest in keeping the current EBA and thinking of striking? Great - they're spoiling for a fight and are keen to get rid of as many LH'ers as possible. Apparently, they have advice that the current EBA can be terminated with 90 days notice, even though it existed prior to the current legislation being implemented.
Long Haul -v- Short Haul - Nope. Think one division - Mid Haul! 737's are probably going to go to regional.
These are some of the proposals on the drawing board - with most of them having very strong support. Interesting times ahead.
Don't shoot me for the info. You should seriously think about partitioning Mark Vaille, Minister for Transport, who has said on the record that he doesn't want jobs being shipped off shore. He made specific references to Engineering - so maybe you should get his support to make sure cabin crew jobs stay in Australia as well (or at least you get an option to fly out of the other bases).
Good luck
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oho - where did you get this information? Sounds like it's all talk. Has this been confirmed by someone? Topics just to stir are just plain stupid.
If people on here are going to post rumours or facts please write where they got these "facts" from.
If people on here are going to post rumours or facts please write where they got these "facts" from.
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Galleychick,
I suspect prune readers will be bombarded with rumours designed to instill fear, uncertainty, and insecurity into the minds of it's staff given the upcoming EBA negotiations.
The intent behind them is part of a "softening up process" , so don't be fooled by smiley faces and words like, "good luck".
There are any number of permutations, options, plans available to Qantas and I'm surprised our "friends" post stopped short of mentioning the use of robots and vending machine to replace Qantas's "too expensive" longhaul crew.
Much will ride on the outcome of this years federal election and there is no shortage of community AND political opposition to the sale of this Australian icon.
The only thing that CAN be guarranteed is the continued "cluster f@#k" that has become our international operations.
Another performance bonus to the office dwelling moron responsible for the English language movies [with CHINESE subtitles] shown on the main screen of the economy cabin, to and from Seoul.
I suspect prune readers will be bombarded with rumours designed to instill fear, uncertainty, and insecurity into the minds of it's staff given the upcoming EBA negotiations.
The intent behind them is part of a "softening up process" , so don't be fooled by smiley faces and words like, "good luck".
There are any number of permutations, options, plans available to Qantas and I'm surprised our "friends" post stopped short of mentioning the use of robots and vending machine to replace Qantas's "too expensive" longhaul crew.
Much will ride on the outcome of this years federal election and there is no shortage of community AND political opposition to the sale of this Australian icon.
The only thing that CAN be guarranteed is the continued "cluster f@#k" that has become our international operations.
Another performance bonus to the office dwelling moron responsible for the English language movies [with CHINESE subtitles] shown on the main screen of the economy cabin, to and from Seoul.
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This joint union statement sort of addresses the issue.
http://www.faaa.net/showfile.asp?id=1122&type=N
http://www.faaa.net/showfile.asp?id=1122&type=N
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Poor Mr Vaille
from oho's post:
I dont see how partitioning Mr Vaille would help, and I expect it would be quite painful for him !!! 
You should seriously think about partitioning Mark Vaille, Minister for Transport
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oho
only way qf will give up j'burg is to give it to saa as a codeshare.
way too many $$$$ lost, would only be temporary if moving a/c to
usa run. qf already tried to get base j'burg but couln't accept
political fallout re south african govt law for racial positive employ-
ment policy.
lax crew base still subject to usa aviation laws, usa f/a's cannot operate
lax-jfk-lax due to hour limitations
no way mgt will want to join l/h and s/h. co.policy is divide and conquer,
not amalgamate.
way too many $$$$ lost, would only be temporary if moving a/c to
usa run. qf already tried to get base j'burg but couln't accept
political fallout re south african govt law for racial positive employ-
ment policy.
lax crew base still subject to usa aviation laws, usa f/a's cannot operate
lax-jfk-lax due to hour limitations
no way mgt will want to join l/h and s/h. co.policy is divide and conquer,
not amalgamate.
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Take the Farrrrrr.......Q
WHY THE HELL WOULD THE EQUITY PARTNERS BE THINKING IN DETAIL ABOUT L/H CABIN CREW??
We're talking $11billion........... As if ......!!!!
Look guys .......if you are bored at the moment with your sick leave calls and CSM harranging why not make yourselves useful and cover the see thru briefing room walls with newspaper (preferably my favourite-Sports pages of the 'Tele)
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hey guys this is only galley gossip so take it as you please....................have heard VR offered to long haul again with 400 slots available..........................numbers of long haul FAs to be reduced to approx 2500...................both unions to merge..................with workforce merging between long haul and short haul within 18 months...............that is with longhaul agreeing to shorthaul wages and conditions or no jobs....................as i said just galley gossip and im sure we have all heard of similar stories...................food for thought
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Los Angeles
Hi I was just wondering if anyone could please be able to tell me which hotels in LA give QF staff a great discount? Or does anyone know the hotel QF LH stay at? I'd like to contact them and see if there are any special rates for QF Staff.
Thanks so much.
Thanks so much.
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The Hotel in LAX does offer a discount at times but its still expensive.
I personally like the hotel and I like where its situated, I don't have a problem with the area and its great as its the centre for all the transit systems.
The area is safe during the day and I haven't had any problems at night.
The only fault is that on Sunday its all closed and you really have to get on the bus.
Quite a few crew complained and whined at first,but they are getting used to it now and a lot like it!
The main complaint came from the girls as they felt isolated from their usual shopping places and there is a lack of supermarket for them.
Like I said before I personally like the place and I have no desire to go back to Pasadena.
If this hotel gets its connecting door issue sorted I cant see any problem.
Personally I dont find the area dodgy!
I personally like the hotel and I like where its situated, I don't have a problem with the area and its great as its the centre for all the transit systems.
The area is safe during the day and I haven't had any problems at night.
The only fault is that on Sunday its all closed and you really have to get on the bus.
Quite a few crew complained and whined at first,but they are getting used to it now and a lot like it!
The main complaint came from the girls as they felt isolated from their usual shopping places and there is a lack of supermarket for them.
Like I said before I personally like the place and I have no desire to go back to Pasadena.
If this hotel gets its connecting door issue sorted I cant see any problem.
Personally I dont find the area dodgy!
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Sorry to cause an argument, I'm just trying to find somewhere nice to stay in L.A. I'm thinking The Sofitel LA in West Hollywood, but I've never been there so I don't know and thought I'd see where the crew stay. They don't seem to be giving a discount though to airline crew.
And I totally support you lowerlobe, those in the office really have no idea what it's like to live out of a hotel room on bare essentials and out of a suitcase.
Sure they give you allowances, but what's the point when you can't spend them on basic essentials that you need on a day to day basis.
And I totally support you lowerlobe, those in the office really have no idea what it's like to live out of a hotel room on bare essentials and out of a suitcase.
Sure they give you allowances, but what's the point when you can't spend them on basic essentials that you need on a day to day basis.