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Old 24th Jul 2007, 23:59
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Linda Moir

I especially like the bit about how they remain open to returning to the negotiating table, even though the last offer was their FULL AND FINAL OFFER!!!!!!!

STAY STRONG

VOTE TO STRIKE



They'll never let it get that far anyway.
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Old 1st Aug 2007, 14:00
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Virgin Cabin Crew Strike?

Just been told by a friend in the union that 98% of the Cabin crew have voted for strike action. Dates are being set now by the union!!
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Old 1st Aug 2007, 14:05
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Incorrect - 98.2% of crew voted against last pay offer, no ballot for strike action has been issued as of yet.
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Old 1st Aug 2007, 21:46
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I hear strikes set for the end of the month.Plans are already in place to disburse passengers.
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 16:53
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Joint Statement between Virgin Atlantic & Unite/Amicus
We are pleased to advise that Virgin Atlantic and Unite/Amicus have reached agreement on a pay deal for cabin crew.
Great effort on behalf of both parties has resulted in a deal that should meet cabin crew aspirations whilst remaining affordable for the airline.
The 3-year deal which Unite/Amicus will forward to members along with the consultative ballot papers provides for significant increases to basic and trip pay underpinned by productivity enhancements.
The team involved in the formulation of this deal should be commended for their effort and their constructive approach to the task.
It is clear from this agreement that Virgin Atlantic values the enormous contribution made by its Cabin Crew.
Linda Moir
Director of Inflight Services
Virgin Atlantic Airways
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Brian Boyd
National Officer
Unite/Amicus

Thank God! I would much rather keep management and customers happy, than go on strike. I look forward to seeing all the details soon.
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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 16:57
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hold your horses " i just want to fly" we dont even know the offer yet.
and surely its managers who should be keeping the crew happy not vice versa?

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Old 2nd Aug 2007, 17:32
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i know, i know... but still i would much rather all involved come to an amicable solution, than go on strike. i would hope that the union would not agree to put something to us again, if they didnt feel it was acceptable.


who knows....? if we all reject this offer, then a strike may still be an option. only time will tell.
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 17:43
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I'm so confused!

Someone text me today saying this

"Ignore IFly, we have NOT agreed the proposed 4.8% RPI. We all need to ring the union and tell them we are not accepting less than 10%. DO NOT give in now. BE STRONG. Fwd on".

Now, am I missing something? Where has the figure of 4.8% come from? Is that the latest figure the management have come up with?

I'm a bit annoyed with the union for announcing that they have reached a deal with Virgin without telling us what the deal is! I think that really sucks!

As someone else said, this is NOT over yet. We still have to vote on whatever this latest offer is!

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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 18:24
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Does anyone know wot the offer is yet? I cant seem to acces amicus's web site?
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 22:48
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You don't have to accept the offer - the deal hasn't been "done" at all. All that's happened is that the union believes that it's got a deal that's as good and fair as it thinks you're going to get. And it's recommending to its members that you accept it at ballot. Whether you do or not is up to you. One thing to be aware of is that if the vote is "no" to this one, then that sets you against your union and you're entering very dangerous territory. If you vote "no" to a union-endorsed deal the company will work on the basis that the union doesn't have the support of its members and things will get very messy very quickly. It's not the same as you just saying no and sending the union back to the table, they're saying that they think this is as good as it gets.
People sending stupid texts around like that are not helping the situation at all, it's confusing and divisive. People should wait and see what the offer is and then discuss it. Rumour and tittle tattle will only inflame what is already, very rightly, an emotive matter. And not to mention - the rumours are usually total crap, after all - we all know how accurate Galley FM is at the best of times!! Come on!! And one more thing - people who are planning on voting no until 10% is on the table are living in a dreamworld. No one's going to get that - office staff, pilots or crew. We'll all be fascinated to see what's been worked out this time and hopefully it'll be a fair deal. If not - then it's back the the drawing board! But do listen to what the union has to say - they are experts at this. Fingers crossed........
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Old 3rd Aug 2007, 23:08
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Nothing on "My Amicus" yet.
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Old 4th Aug 2007, 16:51
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Don't disagree at all - and for what it's worth, the flight crew in Virgin are right behind the cabin crew in their search for better pay and conditions. The amount Virgin pays its crew has been well below par for years and it's about time that something was done. And you're right - if the membership vote no then yes, the union has to represent the members wishes. But what I was driving at was the message that that sends to the management. The union agrees a deal with the company and recommends it to its members. Members then vote no to it, that will show the company that the union is effectively in conflict with the membership and can then try and drive a wedge between you. The only way this works is if everyone a) sticks together and b) takes due consideration of what the union tells you all. If you're really after 10% and no less, then there's going to be a strike because it's not going to happen. The union will eventually peel away, because while yes, they have to represent the members interests, they don't have to and will not fight a hopeless battle.
I really hope the deal that's on the table is OK, because this needs a resolution. If it's as derisory as the first ones then by all means reject it. But let's see what's on offer! And flight crew negotiations are irrelevant, that's not comparing apples with apples. Different jobs, different existing packages, and different needs and plans for the future. I know that the general feeling is among them for what they're going to ask for and 10% or any other large rise isn't going to be it.

Good luck!!
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Old 6th Aug 2007, 15:43
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well if theres any more monthly standby in there i'm voting NO regardless of what the money is.... personally i think our lifestyle is more important than what might amount to 50 (at best) here and there... monthly standby is CRAP! i dont think anyone likes it?? i didnt vote for it when it was 4 in 3 years so i'm certainly not voting for any more than that!
 
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How about just waiting for the formal communication and make your decision based on facts rather than hearsay??? Nearly all of "what I heard" on bloody Galley FM is total rubbish, so you can't believe rumour. And try look at the deal as a whole - not just the negative aspects. As I said before - if the deal doesn't give you a fair crack then vote no. But at least read the whole thing before making up your mind and whipping up feeling.
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Old 6th Aug 2007, 20:02
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I shall certainly be voting NO if more standby is introduced. As a mother of 2 I simply cant take on anymore standbys. The fear of being called out for a HKG SYD is too great! On my last block I organised and paid for childcare but didnt get used for 2 blocks (childcare is non refundable), when I did get used it was for a BOM followed by a BOM, I was actually OUT of pocket that month!

Part timers never used to have SBY so this has been a huge wake up call and a total mare. If more are introduced then its time to rethink my career after 13 years.....and Virgin have lost yet another Manager
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Old 6th Aug 2007, 21:19
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More compromise....

....than I think we should be accepting.

I will be voting NO.
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Old 7th Aug 2007, 10:20
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I'll be voting NO...

Basically means they really don't give a rats arse about our hard work.

We will pay them no more (due to inflation the raise is effectively cancelled out) and we will work them harder (remove a crew member) plus take away any incentive to earn the company extra money (remove airshare).

Are they on drugs?

Vote NO...
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Old 7th Aug 2007, 11:18
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Training info

Please can anyone answer my Q'S? How much money will I get when I'm training? Anyone just recently finished training I guess will know? Also as I'm wanting to get away back home after training on a friday, what time do you usually finish? 5, 5.30???

It's also interesting reading all these debates on the pay. I hope by the time I sart training at the end of september that I may be getting some extra cash?? Good luck and keep fighting. After all they need you guys. They are continually recruiting.

Thanks
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Old 7th Aug 2007, 11:19
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Hi all

Am trying to get in touch with someone who works for Virgin Atlantic and wondered if crew have email addresses ?
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Old 7th Aug 2007, 21:52
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Hi Steviesky and Flyer55

I can answer both your questions

1. Training
You will get paid for your training it will be your basic and depending when you start you will be paid from that date until the end of the month. Pay day is 20 of every month but u will be able to view your pay a couple of days beforhand.
In regards to when you finish it really depends on what subject you are doing, generally you will finish around 5.30ish or 6 regardless of the day of the weekbut it really depends on how much content they have to cover for that day.

2. Flyer 55 Yes we do have individual email addresses, but unfortunatley i don't have the right to give out email addresses of crew. If you are VS Crew then you will know how to contact them sorry
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