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Old 18th Jun 2005, 04:49
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Perth Shorthaul, full or not???

Howdy fellow flighty's,

just seeing if anyone knows whether the Perth SH base is full now after the conversion of MAM casuals to fulltime??? or will they need more FA's after activating the internal transfers????

any info would be greash...
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 07:02
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Not really sure, but as a side note Perth SH is turning into quite a good little base from a flying prespective (clearly due to the reduction of the Perth LH base).

It has gone from a base where next to no trips were available to basically all trips for the month of July, mainly Japan and Singapore. Looking at the July bid book there are days where all their inter WA flights (which is all they use to do) are gone for Perth based crew and these have now been incorporated into longer trips for the eastern state bases.

Clearly this will not be financially viable long term as thats why the Perth base was opened in the first place but who knows the 29 LH crew start training on 1 July so they may see a return of their traditional flying in August.

Also no word yet on where regional progression will go, but if they were that short in Perth you would think they would be given start date's and Perth ASAP and they havent.
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 11:43
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And the latest development straight from the horses mouth:

"The current round of restructuring will indeed mean some rationalisation in Customer Services. While the new cabin crew direct report model is working well, by streamlining or eliminating tasks of low significance the opportunity to reduce Cabin Crew Managers and Cabin Crew Team Managers by around 50% is clearly evident. This reduction will begin as early as July 2005

So round and round we go - does this mean the Line Managers are coming back...???
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 11:48
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Info Source

Very interesting..where did that info come from?Sounds like managementspeak.
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 11:51
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Hey I just got back and heard the same thing.
What's going on?
Feel sorry for all those new recruits to the QF slaughterhouse.
Guess the job at the bank wasn't so bad after all!!!
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 11:57
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mmm................visitors..............
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 12:17
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Whats the bet CSM's get loaded up with even more work.
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 12:21
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BF8 - yep you are right!

Little bits of paper left conveniently for the curious....

Suspect some of those affected may be moving to the "dark side".

As I said, round we go. Time for the re-engagers to become disengaged!
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 12:32
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Merry go round

When Dixon goes..the new broom will sweep a whole level of mismanagement out the door.It will be about the sixth lot I have seen off.The best part is seeing them in a shopping centre or restaurant after they have left.Contrite little swines with no more authority.You can imagine how the conversation goes.
Borghetti eats at a restaurant near me.When I am there I only drink water just in case ,with a few reds under my belt,I let loose.Doesn`t pay to be alcoholically stupid.
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 12:56
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You know it kind of reminds me of an ad on tele.
Goes like this:

Dixon and Borgetti are sitting in a truck eating a stale pie.

They are looking through the window of a lovely restaurant at several crew sitting at a table sipping exquisite wine and eating a la carte.

Dixon says "Do ya rekon they know what they are eating and drinking?"

Borgetti replies "Na, they wouldn't have a clue".

Then Dixon pipes up and say "Cripes Johnie, that bottle they are pouring has a QF logo on it".

Borgetti says "Yeah but don't worry, it's the same cheap crap we serve our customers".

"Phew" Diko exclaims, "Thought it might be a label reserved for the executive few".

"Nah mate. And the oily stuff they are eating is leftover from the pony tail's restaurant. Again the same no cost garbage we feed our pissengers".

"Ok Jon Jon. You are the best. Take another million a year and screw some more employees and customers. By the way, why the hell are we sitting in this truck eating pie...????"
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Old 18th Jun 2005, 13:00
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Please to see management turnover not only effects us. Im on my 6th cabin crew manager since joining some 5 years ago. The current manager re-writes the EBA whenever she feels like it or needs to address a resource issue which is happeing every day lately.
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Old 19th Jun 2005, 01:43
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june 29th

the rumor of the 3000 vr are getting stronger. watch whatever john borghetti has to say on june 29th in his briefing.
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Old 19th Jun 2005, 10:02
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gigs,
yeah i have to agree. and recently i have heard a few others also saying the same thing. i guess this month bcos its been particularly quiet it has really high-lighted itself as a valid issue. it seems a bit unfair/unjust that we are expected to give 48 hrs notice to go non-AV on an AV day (ie. no AV span allocated as you were talking about), when we arent getting paid a cent to sit around at home for 24 hrs just incase we get a call....and this month there were a lot of those days. basically id say youre right -with so many causals now, many casuals are electing to stay available without the AV span and so therefore there must be an fair amount of 'free home reserve' going on??

my question though is at wot point is a 'casual' job is no longer truly a casual job??? .....particularly when the rules keep changing as the months pass. I like being casual, and have chosen in my previous work to also be a casual employee bcos thats what suits me best lifestyle wise- however.... it seems that the more that these little things keep coming up we are becoming less and less 'casual' - at what point are we no longer truly considered casual anymore? when there are so many conditions applied to the days/hours that we can/cant work, where does it stop i wonder???
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Old 19th Jun 2005, 15:23
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at what point is a job a job. i thought you got paid for a job. originaly av status meant qantas offered you work so you could ring at any time to reverse av to non av.that was because we are casual. how bizarre would it be to on day 2 of a 48 hr period go sick and supply a certificate! cant help but feal a little like kunta kintae.my fear is all months may be now a little like this. cheers gigs.
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Old 20th Jun 2005, 08:26
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ah help!

i was just sorting through my uni emails, which usually get forwarded on to my regular email. Next to the old invitation for a medical was one that didnt get forwarded to my email (and therefore remained undiscovered until now) was an invitation for a security check! I therefore havent done this, yet i have still received an email saying congrats ur now on a shortlist. should i wait until i get contacted again re: job prospects to do the security check or should i just do it now? or if anyone could help me with the number of claire (or anyone) at recruitment so i can ask them?
im getting really sick of forking out all this money....... my credit card is maxed out thanks to qantas, and not from going places!
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Old 20th Jun 2005, 09:36
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I am a MAM causal based in BNE, hope to be made permanent one day
If we keep making ourself AV, when QF have made us NRQD or we are NON AV QF will stop giving up PAID AV spans. after all QF are running a business and this would be a huge cost saving exercise for them
The only other complaint that I have is that we as MAM causals are unable to NOW apply for permanent employment via any other site. I had completed stage 1 and 2 of interview process when I was offered the position with MAM. Then QF asked me to go for a medical and I explained had already completed one for MAM, still they required me to provide another medical, as no cost to myself thought WHY not.
About 2-3 weeks latter I got a letter advising that I was now unable to be coincided for employment via CV.COM or any other forum as QF have their own internal process for MAM.
ONLY 35 MAM employed in the last how long ?.
I like many other have been on the short list for QF twice, once for 6 month and once for 18 months.
My question is
As MAM are we going to be coincided WITH, BEFORE or AFTER the short listers?
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Old 21st Jun 2005, 03:47
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jesski,
i'd wait to do your security check until they actually want to employ you. I have forked out $$ a number of times for a check and never got a job with them. The security check is for your asic card, and if you don't get a job, you don't get an asic therefore you should get your money back. I've never seen a dime! They owe me nearly $200, which i'm sure i'll never see!
so yeah - wait!
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Old 21st Jun 2005, 04:06
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i think its probably true that with so many more casuals on board now that there is going to be alot of unpaid home reserve- i dont want this to sound harsh or nasty bcos thats not my intention at all.... but unfortunately too many people have the opinion that 'they are just so happy/thankful' to be in this business of flying that they are prepared to do anything- and that includes making themselves AV even when there is no AV span allocated for days on end. doing this occasionally i guess isnt such a bad thing (if your happy to be on call for the whole 24 hrs) but if it happens too much then i fear it will be taken advantage of.

the attitude of 'im just happy to be a F/A bcos i've wanted to do this job since i was a kid....so therefore i'll break the rules, do anything that crewing asks me to do etc, etc' only undermines the rights and working conditions of everyone else involved- not only other casuals but also full-timers too. i can never understand why people dont see that??? having a 'i'll do anything' attitude only puts industrial relations back 100 yrs-yeah in the short term it might mean that an individual gets a few more hours than others, but in the long run it doesnt benefit anyone (except maybe the company you work for of course). ive had brief conversations with a few casuals about this sort of thing and they dont seem to get it?

i too am grateful to be in a job such as this, its a great job most of the time, there are much harder and worse paid jobs around (ive had some of them previously!) and in general i really like the people i work with day to day- BUT im not prepared to 'DO ANYTHING' for any job, or just for the 'money' either. i wont do things that im not supposed to just to benefit my own purposes- in the end it all comes back to bite you on the 'proverbial'!
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Old 21st Jun 2005, 04:29
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andie74,

you have made some very good points re the "bigger picture".

The casualisation of the workforce is part of john howard's long term political agenda and will see the average worker's conditions and living standards decline in Australia as we have never seen before.

Minimum wages, no loadings or penalty payments etc, etc.

It is an out and out attack on the middle class the results of which will leave us with a US style social structure.

We will end up with the society we deserve unless those with so much to lose wake up and smell the coffee...........................

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Old 21st Jun 2005, 04:43
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mr jettlager id be interested in your opinion regards the unpaid reserve. it is in a nut shell to cut a long story short./48 hrs be close to home 2 hours from airport max.bag ready to go anywhere in the network 24hrs a day in that 48hrs. at the end of that 48hrs you have provided this service for free unless you have a call out. that is you are a trained unpaid casual employee at the complete direction/control of qantas 24 hours a day for,,wait for it .nics........andie 74 i totally agree with what you wrote,i believe many casuals just dont get it. cheers gigs
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