Qantas; the thread.
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sustained media blitz
hey cabinfever
I too will be at that SYD union meeting and I will forcefully be directing the membership to get the FAAA executive to engage a PR company to fight the issue of off shoring Australian jobs.
It really is now only a ONE ISSUE event on these cabin crew threads.
The AO EBA will be the death of Qantas L/H
the Australian public must be made aware of the marketing hypocisy that Qantas is engaging in.
Make the board squirm about the morals & ethics of their business strategies and they'll jump on senior managent from a great height.
SHAME THE BRAND & YOU MAY JUST SAVE THE JOBS.
Don't let this idea disappear . its the only constructive one we've got.
I too will be at that SYD union meeting and I will forcefully be directing the membership to get the FAAA executive to engage a PR company to fight the issue of off shoring Australian jobs.
It really is now only a ONE ISSUE event on these cabin crew threads.
The AO EBA will be the death of Qantas L/H
the Australian public must be made aware of the marketing hypocisy that Qantas is engaging in.
Make the board squirm about the morals & ethics of their business strategies and they'll jump on senior managent from a great height.
SHAME THE BRAND & YOU MAY JUST SAVE THE JOBS.
Don't let this idea disappear . its the only constructive one we've got.
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JBM in dream world
reality is the ever increasing sickleave does not come from aus based crew but now its akl guys, turn over there is ever increasing. also london does not provide the savings what the id**ts in the office thought it will do. internal discontend with the style of management also doesn't sit well. lets build it a bit further until the big broomstick comes through again.
and the usual but very reliable quote:
"pay peanuts get monkeys" and we sure have enough now in the office and some online.
and the usual but very reliable quote:
"pay peanuts get monkeys" and we sure have enough now in the office and some online.
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marketing hypocricy
"Excuse me mister......the sign on the side of the aeroplane says
Queensland
And
Northern
Territory
Air
Services
so why are all the cabin crew from Bangkok and Auckland?
"Qantas Airways -About as Australian as a Doner Kebab."
Board: Change your employment strategy or change your name!
You are becoming a national disgrace!
Queensland
And
Northern
Territory
Air
Services
so why are all the cabin crew from Bangkok and Auckland?
"Qantas Airways -About as Australian as a Doner Kebab."
Board: Change your employment strategy or change your name!
You are becoming a national disgrace!
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welcome aboard
"From the heart of my bottom, welcome aboard Australian Airlines, master."
"G'day, I'll have a VB thanks."
"Sorry, we only have Singha or Steinlager"
"But you're calling yourself Australian Airlines and you got no Australian product?"
"Singha and Steinlager are a much cheaper beer, they may taste crap but take it or leave it"
"I'll leave it - and I want my money back for false advertising! Change your brand name and logo you mongrels!"
"G'day, I'll have a VB thanks."
"Sorry, we only have Singha or Steinlager"
"But you're calling yourself Australian Airlines and you got no Australian product?"
"Singha and Steinlager are a much cheaper beer, they may taste crap but take it or leave it"
"I'll leave it - and I want my money back for false advertising! Change your brand name and logo you mongrels!"
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Hey I know what to say to JBM when he says "if you hate is so much leave".
Well let me tell you JBM, why the heck would I leave.
I work (sic) around 26 hours a week;
I work (sic) a day then have at least a day off;
I get paid $100,000 plus per annum;
I stay in lovely hotels;
I get paid cash allowances;
I can go sick whenever I feel like it;
I can do bugger all on the plane;
I will get J/C staff travel for life in a couple of years;
And I can bitch about it all day long!
That's why I won't leave - cause I got it damn good and I won't leave.
So there, na na na na na....!
Well let me tell you JBM, why the heck would I leave.
I work (sic) around 26 hours a week;
I work (sic) a day then have at least a day off;
I get paid $100,000 plus per annum;
I stay in lovely hotels;
I get paid cash allowances;
I can go sick whenever I feel like it;
I can do bugger all on the plane;
I will get J/C staff travel for life in a couple of years;
And I can bitch about it all day long!
That's why I won't leave - cause I got it damn good and I won't leave.
So there, na na na na na....!
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Thanks for highlighting what I have been trying to say all along ie, lacking productivity, overpaid, abuses sick leave, lazy and a bad attitude.
Hey, lets also include that post in the "sustained media blitz" to win the hearts and minds of Australians.
And you all wonder why you are being squeezed out of a job.
Hey, lets also include that post in the "sustained media blitz" to win the hearts and minds of Australians.
And you all wonder why you are being squeezed out of a job.
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hi everyone,
received notfication on Monday of CONGRATULATIONS you have made it through the recruitment process successfully for the shortlist, and you will be kept on it for 6 months.
has anyone heard what Qantas is doing?
just a big waiting game i guess
Sx
received notfication on Monday of CONGRATULATIONS you have made it through the recruitment process successfully for the shortlist, and you will be kept on it for 6 months.
has anyone heard what Qantas is doing?
just a big waiting game i guess
Sx
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same response here.. just received the email a few minutes ago.
awwwwww i was so excited when i saw the congrats bit and then so disappointed when i read short list. if they are anything like they have been in the whole recruitment process i wont even hear from them at all...... ive heard of too many occasions where people on shortlists have been overlooked.
awwwwww i was so excited when i saw the congrats bit and then so disappointed when i read short list. if they are anything like they have been in the whole recruitment process i wont even hear from them at all...... ive heard of too many occasions where people on shortlists have been overlooked.
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LL, I have read a lot of vindictive posts from you however I don't understand what the above has to do with Qantas IR issues. Perhaps JBM's posts are a bit close to the truth for you? Try and keep it on subject because you only weaken your own argument with that crap. There are a lot of anti-JBM posts yet no-one seems to be able to mount a sensible counter argument to the points he/she raises. I am therefore left with no option but to form the opinion that JBM must be very close to the truth. Take qfcsm's post for example. What a disgraceful attitude. JBM's reply is spot on!
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Welcome to the world of QF double speak, if you ever get in your will get used to it.
you learn to read between the lines.
Good luck to you, wishing you all the best, you will get there,,,,, eventually....
Welcome to the world of QF double speak, if you ever get in your will get used to it.
you learn to read between the lines.
Good luck to you, wishing you all the best, you will get there,,,,, eventually....
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Calling JBM a clown still does not counter his/her argument. I think JBM's posts are clear and concise but also think he/she is getting all the brownie points because no-one seems to be able to post a valid counter argument. I really want to hear the other side but ain't hearing it. I have no reply to you Tow Truck
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lowerlobe - As on the AO thread, you seem to be posting raw abuse in preference to actually addressing the issues raised: Take a 24hr threadban on this, and the AO thread cool down and then try again.
flugenluft could be on to something? Instead of mocking him/her - why not address the issue raised? Just a thought...
flugenluft could be on to something? Instead of mocking him/her - why not address the issue raised? Just a thought...
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So guys what are we going to do?
Everyone is bitching on this forum about the mis-managers at Qantas, including myself.
We all know they are running the company into the ground and sending thousands of Australian jobs overseas.
What are we going to do about it?
You can start by getting on the phone to the union, we all know they are a waste of time but at least let them know how we feel.
How about writing/emailing/phoning the papers, TV channels etc...over and over...until they take note of the fact that over 100 Australian contractors just lost their jobs because of their positions went to English crew.
We've been complaining on this forum for almost a year now about jobs being outsourced but no one is prepared to do anything, apart from complain on an anonymous rumour board.
How about contacting Dick Smith, he always make himself out to be an Aussie battler supporter, maybe a letters to him from several hundred crew would make him say something on TV and get the ball rolling.
We have do something NOW.....so let start.
Everyone is bitching on this forum about the mis-managers at Qantas, including myself.
We all know they are running the company into the ground and sending thousands of Australian jobs overseas.
What are we going to do about it?
You can start by getting on the phone to the union, we all know they are a waste of time but at least let them know how we feel.
How about writing/emailing/phoning the papers, TV channels etc...over and over...until they take note of the fact that over 100 Australian contractors just lost their jobs because of their positions went to English crew.
We've been complaining on this forum for almost a year now about jobs being outsourced but no one is prepared to do anything, apart from complain on an anonymous rumour board.
How about contacting Dick Smith, he always make himself out to be an Aussie battler supporter, maybe a letters to him from several hundred crew would make him say something on TV and get the ball rolling.
We have do something NOW.....so let start.
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co -ordinated attack
I agree str
but as has been constructively discussed on these posts before, the faaa needs to employ a reputable PR company to co -ordinate this broadcasting to the media.
Qantas has a public affairs dept with 10 full time journos & spin doctors on stand -bye 24/7 to deflect any attempt to de value the brand.
It has to be co-ordinated and sustained not an ad -hoc letter or newspaper piece.
THE ACTU PROBABLY HAS TO GET INVOLVED. We are not the only Australian industry losing jobs overseas e.g Banks & supermarket chains using New Dehli telephone centres. Its a trend that has to be stopped.
Arguments used by JBM about the global economy and the price of labour in free market are ultimately not morally sustainable and will take the world back to the bad old days of the industrial revolution. Child labour and canaries in the coal mine are the end result of this type of thinking.
A PRE CONDITION OF OUR NEXT EBA THAT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE - IS THE CLOSURE OF THE BKK BASE. PURE & SIMPLE.
CLOSE THE BASE AND WE'LL STOP TALKING TO THE MEDIA.
L/H WILL have to put something on the table in return - like maybe 200 hrs per roster (THE G.O.D'S HAVE GONE.....I'd still like to come back though as a Qantas lower lobe sink...) - but its better than losing these jobs offshore FOREVER!
but as has been constructively discussed on these posts before, the faaa needs to employ a reputable PR company to co -ordinate this broadcasting to the media.
Qantas has a public affairs dept with 10 full time journos & spin doctors on stand -bye 24/7 to deflect any attempt to de value the brand.
It has to be co-ordinated and sustained not an ad -hoc letter or newspaper piece.
THE ACTU PROBABLY HAS TO GET INVOLVED. We are not the only Australian industry losing jobs overseas e.g Banks & supermarket chains using New Dehli telephone centres. Its a trend that has to be stopped.
Arguments used by JBM about the global economy and the price of labour in free market are ultimately not morally sustainable and will take the world back to the bad old days of the industrial revolution. Child labour and canaries in the coal mine are the end result of this type of thinking.
A PRE CONDITION OF OUR NEXT EBA THAT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE - IS THE CLOSURE OF THE BKK BASE. PURE & SIMPLE.
CLOSE THE BASE AND WE'LL STOP TALKING TO THE MEDIA.
L/H WILL have to put something on the table in return - like maybe 200 hrs per roster (THE G.O.D'S HAVE GONE.....I'd still like to come back though as a Qantas lower lobe sink...) - but its better than losing these jobs offshore FOREVER!
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AIRLINE OF THE YEAR 2005 from Skytrax
AIRLINE OF THE YEAR 2005
1
Cathay Pacific
2
Qantas Airways
3
Emirates
4
Singapore Airlines
5
British Airways
6
Malaysia Airlines
7
Thai Airways
Well done Qantas another climb in the airline of the year awards.
Year in year out your always a top 5 performer.
A credit to the staff and well done BA, the second non asian airline to make the list.
Not once has any American airlines featured in the top 10, wonder why.
PS over 3.5 million pax surveyed
1
Cathay Pacific
2
Qantas Airways
3
Emirates
4
Singapore Airlines
5
British Airways
6
Malaysia Airlines
7
Thai Airways
Well done Qantas another climb in the airline of the year awards.
Year in year out your always a top 5 performer.
A credit to the staff and well done BA, the second non asian airline to make the list.
Not once has any American airlines featured in the top 10, wonder why.
PS over 3.5 million pax surveyed
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I agree but not sure about closing the BKK base. The LHR base should definately go, several of my mates where on the fixed term contracts and now have no job at all due to the opening of the LHR base (BTW everyone all is happy there, but ERIC seems to think all is hunky dory)
I also wouldn't mind increasing working hours and even reducing some conditions in order for jobs to stay in Australia. But at the moment the company is reducing conditions AND moving jobs overseas.
They can talk about market conditions blah..blah... all they want. At the end of the day my group certificate reported around $50k last year. I'm very junior so have no control over my roster, am on a crappy base pay and super plan. There are very few crew earning $100k per year (as someone else mentioned they earn). Good on them for making that much but I know I will never earn that much doing this job but I don't expect to earn less than minimum wage when I am always working overnight, weekends, public holidays etc. I don't mind doing the shift work if I am making over $50k and can afford to pay the mortgage, anything less than that and I might as well go and work in an office.
Come on guys get writting letters and send them everyday to every publication until someone listens!
I also wouldn't mind increasing working hours and even reducing some conditions in order for jobs to stay in Australia. But at the moment the company is reducing conditions AND moving jobs overseas.
They can talk about market conditions blah..blah... all they want. At the end of the day my group certificate reported around $50k last year. I'm very junior so have no control over my roster, am on a crappy base pay and super plan. There are very few crew earning $100k per year (as someone else mentioned they earn). Good on them for making that much but I know I will never earn that much doing this job but I don't expect to earn less than minimum wage when I am always working overnight, weekends, public holidays etc. I don't mind doing the shift work if I am making over $50k and can afford to pay the mortgage, anything less than that and I might as well go and work in an office.
Come on guys get writting letters and send them everyday to every publication until someone listens!
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Lowering our conditions, I don't think so!.
Altering them......maybe.....
If QF decide to close any base it should be the AKL base, most of the "crew" employed there are not very productive.
AT least the Thais work, look at the difference on the FRA trips, having the 4 BKK crew down the back makes the biggest difference, they work and they have an interest in their job, I could not believe the difference between the 2 bases.
The AKL crew whinge all the time about their conditions etc...... the sooner they go the better.......
so if we have to compromise, lets keep the Thais and shut down the AKL base, and far as LHR goes...... it wont last .........I spoke to the Thais and they have confirmed all that I have read on this forum.......
Altering them......maybe.....
If QF decide to close any base it should be the AKL base, most of the "crew" employed there are not very productive.
AT least the Thais work, look at the difference on the FRA trips, having the 4 BKK crew down the back makes the biggest difference, they work and they have an interest in their job, I could not believe the difference between the 2 bases.
The AKL crew whinge all the time about their conditions etc...... the sooner they go the better.......
so if we have to compromise, lets keep the Thais and shut down the AKL base, and far as LHR goes...... it wont last .........I spoke to the Thais and they have confirmed all that I have read on this forum.......