30-40 Virgin Blue Cabin Crew Quit each month ?
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"I should be so lucky..."
I had to sing and imitate Kylie Minogue in my interview but that was over a year ago... I was interviewed by VB recruitment team including F/A's. Not sure what the process is now, I think in MEL they have an external recruitment company... They are pretty big on group interaction.
Good luck for anyone with future interviews, they need people for MEL base.
Good luck for anyone with future interviews, they need people for MEL base.
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Hugh Jarse
Dont get me wrong ,just useless at putting points across.
I have no doubt they work their b#ms off ,and i dont know the pay rate or hours
There are many reasons for leaving ,but of course pay and conditions would be the main.
It may be the younger ages .Cant let work interfere with the party life etc.I seem to remeber those years,and great they were.
It maybe ex Ansett who deplor doing the same job for less.
I wouldnt last long as i have seen to many ignorant passengers,and would be pouring coffee over their heads.
Sydney---------Rent . I dont know how anyone lives their on an average income.
My son ,apprentice at Mascot ,pays $270 a week for an old house 10 miles away.It doesnt matter what job you have ,you still have to pay rent.
Hats off to the F/A,s
Dont get me wrong ,just useless at putting points across.
I have no doubt they work their b#ms off ,and i dont know the pay rate or hours
There are many reasons for leaving ,but of course pay and conditions would be the main.
It may be the younger ages .Cant let work interfere with the party life etc.I seem to remeber those years,and great they were.
It maybe ex Ansett who deplor doing the same job for less.
I wouldnt last long as i have seen to many ignorant passengers,and would be pouring coffee over their heads.
Sydney---------Rent . I dont know how anyone lives their on an average income.
My son ,apprentice at Mascot ,pays $270 a week for an old house 10 miles away.It doesnt matter what job you have ,you still have to pay rent.
Hats off to the F/A,s
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virgin crew suffering from the blues?
hey someone actualy asked at the virgin blue interview why do virgin recruit so and if it were true that their staff turn over is high? is that true? i hear the staff morale can be high at virgin blue but the management may not be as "fun" and "outgoing" as the whole concept is said to be?
what do the current crew say about dj? would love your opinions on this?
what do the current crew say about dj? would love your opinions on this?
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Why do VB recruit ? well it's call expansion, when you think that for every A/C they receive they will need anywhere between 4 to 6 crew assigned to it, (I guess it changes from Airline to airline.)
I'm not sure where people are getting their figures
"30 to 40 crew a month" if you do the maths with a 4 crew per A/C you will have 10 A/C that could not be crewed (sort to speak).
With those figures I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be flying so many A/C.
As someone as stated in their post reply Austealians like to travel and therefore do chop and change jobs to keep up with their chosen life style, the main reason I see resignation amongst the obvious ones is that mane crew members are younger and choose to get into the airline industry for a short period of time.
They come in do their job, work hard , have fun and move on.
As someone else has stated as the number of CC that really do come in the job as a career increases the number of resignation will definitelly decrese, but offcourse it will never disappear completely.
Cheers Red
I'm not sure where people are getting their figures
"30 to 40 crew a month" if you do the maths with a 4 crew per A/C you will have 10 A/C that could not be crewed (sort to speak).
With those figures I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be flying so many A/C.
As someone as stated in their post reply Austealians like to travel and therefore do chop and change jobs to keep up with their chosen life style, the main reason I see resignation amongst the obvious ones is that mane crew members are younger and choose to get into the airline industry for a short period of time.
They come in do their job, work hard , have fun and move on.
As someone else has stated as the number of CC that really do come in the job as a career increases the number of resignation will definitelly decrese, but offcourse it will never disappear completely.
Cheers Red
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Some of the "reasons" are:
1. yes some people are not happy with thier position at Virgin and choose to leave and go onto other careers
2. Virgin encourages internal promotion therefore some crew move onto other areas within the company
3. When you have a rather high number of females within the 18-35 region you are going to expect a few crew to be on maternity leave.
4. expansion-- for every aircraft we get we need to put through both a training group of initial cabin crew (25-35 people) and a training group of cabin supervisors (7-12 crew)
5. then of this crew you will have quite a few on holiday leave and sick leave, so we need numbers to cover that.
I'm sure that there are more "reasons" that we are always recruiting, but just remember that HR only take the applicants that they consider meet the criteria. They may take 10 from one group interview and none from the next.
1. yes some people are not happy with thier position at Virgin and choose to leave and go onto other careers
2. Virgin encourages internal promotion therefore some crew move onto other areas within the company
3. When you have a rather high number of females within the 18-35 region you are going to expect a few crew to be on maternity leave.
4. expansion-- for every aircraft we get we need to put through both a training group of initial cabin crew (25-35 people) and a training group of cabin supervisors (7-12 crew)
5. then of this crew you will have quite a few on holiday leave and sick leave, so we need numbers to cover that.
I'm sure that there are more "reasons" that we are always recruiting, but just remember that HR only take the applicants that they consider meet the criteria. They may take 10 from one group interview and none from the next.
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Red,
people dont make a career of cabin crew jobs with Virgin Blue because the wages and conditions offered do not allow it.
Branson pays his employees well under the industry standard worldwide and as far as I can tell only garners loyalty and comittment from staff by "engineering" it as "fun/enjoyable" place to work.
It takes a while for his staff to realise that all the "froth and bubble" doesnt pay the bills or put much in the way of food on the table.
At this stage staff realise that they have been "had". They then leave for greener pastures.
My partner just mentioned that people also use VB as a stepping stone to employment with other airlines which just goes to illustrate my point.
High staff turnover suits Godfrey and his mob perfectly. The "Tits and Bum" image that is used to such great effect in selling the airline benefits enormously from this flow of fresh eager young things.
The net effect of VB is more downward pressure of the wages and conditions of shorthaul crew that work for airlines that still pay, "living wages".
Not pretty I know but at least staff at VB can feel good about all the millions RB ,GD and co. are making.
You may not be paid what you are worth but Im sure Sir Richard is very grateful.
Another Island anyone??????
Cheers
people dont make a career of cabin crew jobs with Virgin Blue because the wages and conditions offered do not allow it.
Branson pays his employees well under the industry standard worldwide and as far as I can tell only garners loyalty and comittment from staff by "engineering" it as "fun/enjoyable" place to work.
It takes a while for his staff to realise that all the "froth and bubble" doesnt pay the bills or put much in the way of food on the table.
At this stage staff realise that they have been "had". They then leave for greener pastures.
My partner just mentioned that people also use VB as a stepping stone to employment with other airlines which just goes to illustrate my point.
High staff turnover suits Godfrey and his mob perfectly. The "Tits and Bum" image that is used to such great effect in selling the airline benefits enormously from this flow of fresh eager young things.
The net effect of VB is more downward pressure of the wages and conditions of shorthaul crew that work for airlines that still pay, "living wages".
Not pretty I know but at least staff at VB can feel good about all the millions RB ,GD and co. are making.
You may not be paid what you are worth but Im sure Sir Richard is very grateful.
Another Island anyone??????
Cheers
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i think virgin staff are paid quiet well here in oz....got a really close mate who flies with them....his take home pay each week is quiet fantastic for the work he does....
i guess if u cant take the heat............
cheers
i guess if u cant take the heat............
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stop complaining
I was recently at VB Group Interview and the recruiters clearly stated, " u could expect to be away from home base up to 14 days a month". Now for all those that are complaining, why choose this type of position u make it difficult for those choosing the relaxed lifestyle and that perhaps want to do that.
AS for the complaints about cleaning, 5 crew cleaning a small 737-700, can't be that difficult, gives u something to do rather than just waiting for the guests to get onboard. Nickmelb is right, his friend earns great money and I hear the same, just under $1,000 buckeroos a week plus in a coupe of months use of Makepeace Island sounds good to me, if it does not, don't apply, and if u do apply don't get back to this forum in 4 mths time and bitch about it. YOUR CHOICE!!!!!!
Anyone know SMILE, NICKMELB your friend that woeks for VB if they get travel concessions only on VB or also other partner airlines worldwide. Standby concessions or confirmed, how long have to wait? any other gr8 concessions that u can tell these complainers about.
Cheers
AS for the complaints about cleaning, 5 crew cleaning a small 737-700, can't be that difficult, gives u something to do rather than just waiting for the guests to get onboard. Nickmelb is right, his friend earns great money and I hear the same, just under $1,000 buckeroos a week plus in a coupe of months use of Makepeace Island sounds good to me, if it does not, don't apply, and if u do apply don't get back to this forum in 4 mths time and bitch about it. YOUR CHOICE!!!!!!
Anyone know SMILE, NICKMELB your friend that woeks for VB if they get travel concessions only on VB or also other partner airlines worldwide. Standby concessions or confirmed, how long have to wait? any other gr8 concessions that u can tell these complainers about.
Cheers
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Can we please have some VB crew defend the generosity of their employment conditions please.
Not uninformed opinions from wannabee CC and people on the outside, looking in.
Hello.........hello??
The silence is deafening.
Not uninformed opinions from wannabee CC and people on the outside, looking in.
Hello.........hello??
The silence is deafening.
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if your source is reliable dot worry just post your answers
ive even hear good young richard branson even takes out all his cc to dinner and shouts them drinks all night and gives them prezzies, love to hear that happening with the mafia Sheiks in Dubai, sleep with the Sheik or your contract cancelled, heard it has been done before, whi is going to challenge an oil rich company like that
ive even hear good young richard branson even takes out all his cc to dinner and shouts them drinks all night and gives them prezzies, love to hear that happening with the mafia Sheiks in Dubai, sleep with the Sheik or your contract cancelled, heard it has been done before, whi is going to challenge an oil rich company like that
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Ok peoples,
From a certified Virgin Blue cabin crew member here are some 'facts'..................................
YES- we work very hard for our money, I get home from a lot of trips absolutely wrecked. But I am still smiling.
NO- not all trips are 4 day trips, I have just had a roster with 2x4day trips, 2x 3day trips, and a day trip. with a training day, reserve day etc or two. (my next roster follows a similar pattern)
My FEB roster only has me rostered at 117 hours (we can be rostered up to 140)
We earn a little less than our friends over at QF, but lets remember that they have more aircraft types, are full service, fly into local international ports, etc.
We clean the aircraft on turn-arounds. When i worked in hotels before the airline industry I cleaned the bars throughout my shift too. And at the end of the night (we don't clean the aircraft at the end of the night) Not that i enjoy cleaning the aircraft- but that was a condition of my employment I knew about before I accepted the position.
If you want information about the eba go to www.faaadomestic.org.au. Look under Virgin Blue. You can download the whole document. You might even be able to find the QF and Impulse ones to compare and make an educated decision for yourself.
From a certified Virgin Blue cabin crew member here are some 'facts'..................................
YES- we work very hard for our money, I get home from a lot of trips absolutely wrecked. But I am still smiling.
NO- not all trips are 4 day trips, I have just had a roster with 2x4day trips, 2x 3day trips, and a day trip. with a training day, reserve day etc or two. (my next roster follows a similar pattern)
My FEB roster only has me rostered at 117 hours (we can be rostered up to 140)
We earn a little less than our friends over at QF, but lets remember that they have more aircraft types, are full service, fly into local international ports, etc.
We clean the aircraft on turn-arounds. When i worked in hotels before the airline industry I cleaned the bars throughout my shift too. And at the end of the night (we don't clean the aircraft at the end of the night) Not that i enjoy cleaning the aircraft- but that was a condition of my employment I knew about before I accepted the position.
If you want information about the eba go to www.faaadomestic.org.au. Look under Virgin Blue. You can download the whole document. You might even be able to find the QF and Impulse ones to compare and make an educated decision for yourself.
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It is very clear you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to cabin crew. You also appear to be very bitter towards Emirates are you sure you weren't rejected?
Yeah I'm sure Richard Branson takes ALL his cabin crew out for drinks, just like I had dinner with Geoff Dixon last night LOL
It is very clear you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to cabin crew. You also appear to be very bitter towards Emirates are you sure you weren't rejected?
Yeah I'm sure Richard Branson takes ALL his cabin crew out for drinks, just like I had dinner with Geoff Dixon last night LOL
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exactly that "galley hag"
sure I'm bitter I hate to see my friends disappointed for something they put a lot of energy into and fly all the way to Dubai to be absolutely exhausted because of the conditions and sexual come ons by Management, the so called "meetings" which end up being just moves on CC from the Sheiks and Higher Management. Rememeber it is cabin Crew not prostitution.!!!!!
I like my sleep and so i won't apply with Emirates, because what I here they can't even get time differences right, and call at 2.00 a.m
Also I don't think after 2 weeks training i would be fit to attend to customers safely and comfortably, simply because Emirates wants to get CC in the air as soon as possible.
I have not heard of one single person slip through the Virgin 5 week training and interview process. VB CC are gorgeous and have an excellent reputation, but they are intelligent enough to finish the training, and without the 80% pass in all subjects they will not get onboard.
As for Geoff Dixon....... dinner with him...?? who is he??? Virgin has a 32.1% Australian market share and hovers around that. Increasing day by day by day, and it will get above 50 % Jetstar will collapse and then bye bye Geoff Dixon, he is getting grey hairs as we speak. Virgin has in store something amazing once Virgin Atlantic touches Australian shores and that is why Richard Branson is smiling and upper Management and all u lucky VB CC should be as well jut wait and see, Branson is a genius.
I like my sleep and so i won't apply with Emirates, because what I here they can't even get time differences right, and call at 2.00 a.m
Also I don't think after 2 weeks training i would be fit to attend to customers safely and comfortably, simply because Emirates wants to get CC in the air as soon as possible.
I have not heard of one single person slip through the Virgin 5 week training and interview process. VB CC are gorgeous and have an excellent reputation, but they are intelligent enough to finish the training, and without the 80% pass in all subjects they will not get onboard.
As for Geoff Dixon....... dinner with him...?? who is he??? Virgin has a 32.1% Australian market share and hovers around that. Increasing day by day by day, and it will get above 50 % Jetstar will collapse and then bye bye Geoff Dixon, he is getting grey hairs as we speak. Virgin has in store something amazing once Virgin Atlantic touches Australian shores and that is why Richard Branson is smiling and upper Management and all u lucky VB CC should be as well jut wait and see, Branson is a genius.
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Nice to hear Smile that you seem happy with your VB CC position.
Lets all remember that CC Australia wide all benefit from the maintenance of the sorts of conditions that have traditionally allowed us to make careers of our jobs...........
Both majors are making bucket loads of money and the industry seems to have turned the corner.
My concerns with VB and the conditions they offer is that "if" they are substantially under the industry norm the pressure placed on the incumbants to match them is enormous.
The net effect is that all CC positions in Australia are reduced to the lowest common denominator.
"Would you like fries with your, MC job?"
I really hope that VB do offer decent conditions.
Ignoring the posibility of unforseen circumstances Smile. Can you see yourself doing the same thing in 5 years time?
Wanttobecc,
Unless you do some growing up you may end up only ever being just that....... A Wannabee
P.S. Are you one of Sir Richard's love children?????
Lets all remember that CC Australia wide all benefit from the maintenance of the sorts of conditions that have traditionally allowed us to make careers of our jobs...........
Both majors are making bucket loads of money and the industry seems to have turned the corner.
My concerns with VB and the conditions they offer is that "if" they are substantially under the industry norm the pressure placed on the incumbants to match them is enormous.
The net effect is that all CC positions in Australia are reduced to the lowest common denominator.
"Would you like fries with your, MC job?"
I really hope that VB do offer decent conditions.
Ignoring the posibility of unforseen circumstances Smile. Can you see yourself doing the same thing in 5 years time?
Wanttobecc,
Unless you do some growing up you may end up only ever being just that....... A Wannabee
P.S. Are you one of Sir Richard's love children?????
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Thanks for the laugh........I have never come across someone that believes the Virgin crap more than you, or those stupid stories from Emirates. I think you may even be just a little 2 much for the Virgin Blue team to put up with.
I have to agree with left2primary you will be a wannabee for a while yet. Why not use your energy to gain as much information from this forum as possible to enable you to develop a career as cabin crew rather than just rubbish airlines that you were rejected from that you "heard" stories about.
Tell me if Virgin Blue rejected you would you still feel they are the best airline in the world?
Thanks for the laugh........I have never come across someone that believes the Virgin crap more than you, or those stupid stories from Emirates. I think you may even be just a little 2 much for the Virgin Blue team to put up with.
I have to agree with left2primary you will be a wannabee for a while yet. Why not use your energy to gain as much information from this forum as possible to enable you to develop a career as cabin crew rather than just rubbish airlines that you were rejected from that you "heard" stories about.
Tell me if Virgin Blue rejected you would you still feel they are the best airline in the world?
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long hours
i was appalled when i flew BNE to MEL with DJ a few weeks ago on an 10pm flight when the flight attendant doing the safety demo was actualy YAWNING and dropped the demo life vest as she was demonstrating how to put it on.
Does the safety of PAX matter? Or is everything run on a tight budget to keep their airfares low? I thought safety comes first.
Could you imagine if their pilots were doing the same?
Virgin CC sound so overworked
I hope not all are brainwashed like wannabecc
Does the safety of PAX matter? Or is everything run on a tight budget to keep their airfares low? I thought safety comes first.
Could you imagine if their pilots were doing the same?
Virgin CC sound so overworked
I hope not all are brainwashed like wannabecc
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Left2primary,
Yes I can see myself doing the same thing in 5 years time. Why wouldn't I? (Although maybe part time for a couple of years because I'm hoping to have one or two 'little-me's' at that time--but that's a whole other thread)
At the end of the last financial year I compared my group cert with that of a friend who is MEL based for QF. She has been employed for 3 years with QF. I had only been employed by Virgin for 1 year. After tax I took home $6000(approx) less than her for the year. Taking into account that I would have had 5 weeks on the training wage as well as not working any days off,and I think I was only called in for 2 available days (@ 18/hr- I think -that was the old EBA). I think that I did quite well for myself.
I also have a university degree. It would take me quite a few years -not to mention a bit of butt kissing- to earn what I earn now at Virgin if I was employed in the real world.
Yes we are under the industry norm for Australia- the benchmark being QF, but look at what we earn in Australia compared to Europe.
Yes I can see myself doing the same thing in 5 years time. Why wouldn't I? (Although maybe part time for a couple of years because I'm hoping to have one or two 'little-me's' at that time--but that's a whole other thread)
At the end of the last financial year I compared my group cert with that of a friend who is MEL based for QF. She has been employed for 3 years with QF. I had only been employed by Virgin for 1 year. After tax I took home $6000(approx) less than her for the year. Taking into account that I would have had 5 weeks on the training wage as well as not working any days off,and I think I was only called in for 2 available days (@ 18/hr- I think -that was the old EBA). I think that I did quite well for myself.
I also have a university degree. It would take me quite a few years -not to mention a bit of butt kissing- to earn what I earn now at Virgin if I was employed in the real world.
Yes we are under the industry norm for Australia- the benchmark being QF, but look at what we earn in Australia compared to Europe.
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Chill Guys...
Guys Chill out....
Where not here to compete for the slagging award... This forum is about supporting one another..
Wanttobecc, whilst I respect your passion and support for Virgin, dont be fooled into thinking Virgin is the best of all carriers. All airlines have their faults and bad points. Having worked for Virgin and Qantas myself I can say there are parts of Virgin I did not like at all.. Not all management are like HR, many of the Virgin managers made it to where they are with little experience and this has got to their heads.. On the other side of it though the young and fresh culture of Virgin is a breath of fresh air compared to some of the airlines that have been around for while.. Virgin/Qantas/Emirates are all different products, there is no "best".....
Now as for Emirates, yes they are known to give you the run around, however I can't say I've heard any horror stories as you say... I have 3 friends working for them at the moment, 2 Flight Attendant and one Purser.. Yes they do work hard, Yes some stop overs are short, Yes Dubai can sometimes be too much, however they would never trade it for the world... Now the 2 week training you refer to actually is a conversion program for ex Cabin Crew who are joining emirates... Having been a member of this forum for some time now, I can assure you that it's the first time I have ever heard any stories about sexual passess to CC by managers.
Left2Primary, one thing I wanted to question you about... What makes you think that a Virgin Cabin Crew compared to a Qantas cabin crew cannot make a career out of her job???? Just curious where you are going with that statement.
Andyman82, Shame, Shame, Shame?????????? It was only last week you attended the Virgin Interview hoping to be selected by them as a Flight Attendant... Three days later you are bagging them???? What's with that, dont bag an airline for the pure fact that you have been rejected by them.....
Now can we get back to the reason this forum was establised and that is to help each other.. It's annoying having to read forums where Virgin staff are constantly defending themselves and arguments about whos conditions are better..... Just my thoughts, but hey who am I.........
Cheers
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Where not here to compete for the slagging award... This forum is about supporting one another..
Wanttobecc, whilst I respect your passion and support for Virgin, dont be fooled into thinking Virgin is the best of all carriers. All airlines have their faults and bad points. Having worked for Virgin and Qantas myself I can say there are parts of Virgin I did not like at all.. Not all management are like HR, many of the Virgin managers made it to where they are with little experience and this has got to their heads.. On the other side of it though the young and fresh culture of Virgin is a breath of fresh air compared to some of the airlines that have been around for while.. Virgin/Qantas/Emirates are all different products, there is no "best".....
Now as for Emirates, yes they are known to give you the run around, however I can't say I've heard any horror stories as you say... I have 3 friends working for them at the moment, 2 Flight Attendant and one Purser.. Yes they do work hard, Yes some stop overs are short, Yes Dubai can sometimes be too much, however they would never trade it for the world... Now the 2 week training you refer to actually is a conversion program for ex Cabin Crew who are joining emirates... Having been a member of this forum for some time now, I can assure you that it's the first time I have ever heard any stories about sexual passess to CC by managers.
Left2Primary, one thing I wanted to question you about... What makes you think that a Virgin Cabin Crew compared to a Qantas cabin crew cannot make a career out of her job???? Just curious where you are going with that statement.
Andyman82, Shame, Shame, Shame?????????? It was only last week you attended the Virgin Interview hoping to be selected by them as a Flight Attendant... Three days later you are bagging them???? What's with that, dont bag an airline for the pure fact that you have been rejected by them.....
Now can we get back to the reason this forum was establised and that is to help each other.. It's annoying having to read forums where Virgin staff are constantly defending themselves and arguments about whos conditions are better..... Just my thoughts, but hey who am I.........
Cheers
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