Hi Oxa,

I was also at the recruitment day on 6 Dec 08 in Sydney, and I think you have your wires crossed. They never said that due to the low turnover that being promoted was hard, to the contrary in fact. They emphasised that if you work hard, don't take to many sick days then you can get promoted within the first year or two, and continue on from there. They emphasised that Emirates intentions were to grow their fleet and cabin crew quite alot, which has obviosuly taken a turn at the moment due to the economic crisis. There is probably less people leaving now because of this and possibly, less promotions occuring, but they didn't (and I doubt they ever would) say at a recruitment session that it's impossible to get promoted.

I think we are all aware of what CC earn, even if they were to only fly 3 times a month. The pay rates have been posted all over the internet, and it is not hard information to come across. So if you are only flying three times a month you get your base pay and your flying pay for your hours worked. I understand you know this, but we know it too. I don't think any of us would go into it with our eyes shut, we know what we would be earning (in good times and bad) and have accepted it.

I see that your intentions are good...and it's fine to have your opinions, but the intentions you are trying to get express seem to be lost in translation a little. Thanks for your information, but try to be a little less forcefull with it.

Pinky: Good luck! I understand you are being realistic, but there is nothing wrong with hope. I know a girl who is meant to be starting that day too and she now has quit her job and moved out of her home. So I want them to go ahead with that training too, for her sake!

hi guys, there is something i would like to share with you, hopefully it will be encouraging to everyone:
i have met a guy who used to work for emirates as a flight attendant, and his timing to apply was just as unlucky as ours. he interviewd for the job right before 9/11 and he said that after the incident they stopped hiring as everything slowed down in this bussiness. but he was told that they would contact him in 6 months and exactly half a year later they did, and he got the job.:) so maybe there is still hope.
good luck to everyone:ok:

one more thing, can anyone tell me what kind of medical is required that makes it so expensive, and about how much does it cost?
thanks

Skywards
 

Thank you and that is spot on!!

Yes, I agree that what they say!

What I try to get is the recruitment team said not much of people are leaving.

Leito said short of crew on board, and they have to work harder to cover the position.

Where are those crews if not much of the turn over? Put them on board to work!!!

the pay is yes easy to guess, and the new joiner will fly only on A380 not fly any another types of A/C.

Check out Airboy Web, his roster is 11 days off, which is indicated the flights aren't not that frequent as it was.

He works since 2006, obviously got all the licence for those A/C to fly, check on his roster again and think how many A380 on his roster in each block!

As I sent you the fact and please check the info. with Airboy web. Do you think how long for the new joiners will be trainned on the other Boeing?

Yes, I guess 6-9 months. That's the point I want to show and want people who are going there to be prepare. And anyone who lived in Middle east would know what to prepare to live on this condition. Some of my friend who knows this and still go ahead to get flying experience and she is prepare to bring more moeny with her as well.

As I said, I just don't want to see more people upset. So it's good to prepare, i'm not try to stop people not to go. Why shoud I? I want more pax flying as well so the business will get better for everyone, not one or two airlines but for all.

alkatifa, Madrocki
 

Hi mate, thanks. Yes, we are quite peaceful here and not much of a rush compare to the other country in this economic crisis. And our government is looking after us as well. And I do understand the others people who are liveing in another country and need to get a job.

What I want to say to everyone here is... you do what you need to do..

I've been trying to point it out about what they should be awared of to be there and if anyone who already got a job in your own country but not that good enough compare to DXB, then go ahead. I just try to give out the informaiton as it is appropriated to do so as something I should not say in the public.

I don't want to see anyone get more stress, as I try to say.. now you are at home with you family and in your own country. It is a safe place to be. But if anyone who are prepare to live out on their own pocket for a while that's fine too.

I just imagine for some people who already got the family, children and still paying off their mortgage for their home. If they are planing to go to work in DXB now, they would hoping to make money and send back to pay all those bills straight away right?

Madrockie: hope you can see why I am a mother hen in your point of view. And you are a mother so now you know the facts about the situation, please check on EY forum as well and you will see the better picture. And I can see you are on this forum coz you are worry about your daughter, please check on Airboy web, apparently EK plan to cut off some flight to South Africa as well. Good luck.

Skywards
 

Thank you for your private message, at least now you agreed with me about all the information.

Sorry about the withdrawal, and at least some of people here can think about the situation again. In case, some of you got the offer from another airlines or thinking of between waiting for EK or heading to another Airlines where they have less future risk.

And I understand what you meant by nothing to worry yourself coz you got withdrawal. Which is fair enough too.

Good luck to all guys!! God bless.

Oxa, I was responding to the super long private message you sent me, and I was saying that you didn't need to convince me of your opinions, not that I agree with all your information-far from it :ugh:!! I think you have your wires crossed there as well-I'm with Leito and Madrookie, but you are allowed your opinion as well....

East Coast Girl: I'm sure it would have a list somewhere in this post saying exactly what is required, but to sum it up you need to go to the dentist(check up) and 3 dental xrays, chest xray, ecg, vaccinations (for about 10 different diseases), audiogram, pap smear, blood tests and doctors appointments (and opthamologist if you have eye problems). I guess it depends on the medical system of your country as to how much it would cost...it was pretty extensive, I felt like a pin cushion by the end of it!

Skyward
 

You are the one who said nothing to worry yourself as they are withdraw the offer. And you said you have read lots of info. so have anyone told you about EY and the share??? And are you going for EY after this, or waiting another 6-9 months for EK to re contact you? Be honest please.

So here is some info. you can see about what they are avoiding the reality:

check this out on Emirates - Crew Discussions II

Try to find Juzz51 on that forum


That is the user name of one EK cabin crew who talked about the situation in DEC 08, and Leito was on that forum and complain about the SFS on board.

and Juzz51 has stated how EK treat those CC as well, so why she was on this forum and try to avoid the facts about what is happening!!!


This was her post on Emirates - Crew Discussions II



17 Jan 2009, 22:43 by Leito

Hats off to you baob2boa, that was en exceptional report and you are a master at it, everything that you said its soo right, I also wonder how much longer will the crew put up with this unecessary changes that all they do is to stress out the crew even more and to raise the customers expectations even more as they'll expect that type of service on every route now.

I always think that "less is more" and the crew is so over worked that they will give up vey soon with all of these changes.

Anyway, I haven't done the service myself, so I can't comment on it, but it seems all unecessary, maybe if it was introduces by steps, meaning, start by the language part, then later with the change of the menu / tray, certainly there is no need to pre-dep drink and the bar service has never worked in the past, why would it work now?, poor SFS when all they usually get on those flights are 2 SUPYS and if lucky 3 1st or 2nd operational GR2s.

Enough said, keep recovering !!! :}


Leito you said in the previous post reply to me about every airlines have the policy to be followed so why would you complained about the new service on board, they do it because they need more people to fly with EK. Do you know how many airlines they have done pre-flight service before EK which they are going to do now! Compettion! Hope you know about that words, "Do what they say Leito" Why you are the one who complain about it?? And you obvious already stated on the other forum clearly that lots of crew would not be able to put up. How about those new joiner who still never flown and have those difficult experience, I was a cabin crew when the economic was good and still learnt to not put high expectation on it regarding the flight, the roster, crazy pax, money. But this is the worse case.

Here is the copy from another forum
 

1st Feb 2009, 17:36 by Juzz51

I flew with a Purser who has been here for a long long time, and he put it perfectly. Back in the day they treated the crew really well, pay was good, allowance was good, everything was good, and word spread that Emirates was the airline to work for. Today, Emirates still has that good name to an extent, but the difference is they treat us like crap. We are literally just a number to them, and we are slowly becoming low paid laborers. We continue to earn less every year.
The sad thing is there is nothing we can do about it. With no unions, and the fact that if you speak out you'll get fired (someone got fired for speaking out on their blog and got caught), we have little recourse but to quit and find a better job. The worst thing is that Emirates know they can get away with this, because there's just so many people out there in the world wanting to become Cabin Crew, who will ignore all the warnings out there about this company, they just know it can't be THAT bad. Eventually Emirates will lose their good name as the company to work for in the airline industry, but there will still be people out there willing to work for them. We can only hope there won't be enough to meet their demands and they'll try to make things better for us.

Now on to the rumors! Just some things I've heard, some are pretty much confirmed, others are rumors that are probably completely untrue, you decide:

With NGO down to 3 times a week, it will be completed ended by March. I've been told this is mainly because with Toyota stuggling through the economic crisis they are no longer filling our premium cabins and/or cargo for this route to continue being profitable
With NGO gone, I heard they will be opening up NRT
Emirates plans on selling or leasing out most of the A380s they have on order due to problems with the a/c and/or it can't live up to the promises Airbus made about how far it can travel/fuel consumption, etc
Emirates plans on canceling all but 10 of the a380s they have on order for same reasons as above
Due to the financial crisis Emirates will soon be canceling a lot more routes that will put us under 100 destinations world wide
As most of you will know, reserve months for GR1s & GR2s, not a lot of people are getting called out, we simply have too many staff. One hot rumor going around is that we will be offered 2 weeks of unpaid leave. The fact that they just opened more leave slots for the month of March only adds more fuel to the rumor. I know I'll be applying for it if it happens!!
Thats all I have for now. One rumor that did come true, no more CHC!! :{

And this is a reply:
1st Feb 2009, 19:32 by bkkfly

Juzz, your rumour confirmations are correct but in addition San Paulo is also being scrapped (Thank god) 17 hr flight with 24hr LO...Hello?!

In terms of the company stuff, I remain confident that things will change for some CC because:

For UK and Pacific routes they need to retain some Aus/NZ, UK cc and the cost of replacing us every 10 months cant equate to retainment of CC.

If they dont do something in terms of money they simply wont be able to attract intelligent cc from the higher wage countries and then what will happen to the international CC marketing? Imagine the PA: "Our international cabin crew (From all the developing countries of the world) speak many languages (excluding native English as they have all left) for your convenience..."

Oxa.....

Don't you have anything better to do, other than now start turning this into a personal flame war.....?? :=

You, me, all of us, have had our say and posted our opinions. Let us now please respect that and leave it up to the anxious applicants, and if you really must post, plz say something positive & drop your negative attitude!

So please just stop this "personal" issue thingy you are persueing, for crying out loud! :*:*

My humble advice - be positive or stay of this forum, as you are not contributing in the light that it is intended.

Please..........????

Madrockie
 

I am always supporting the other people from the beginning of my post in this forum. Do you want me to say "Yes, everyone don't worry, everything will be alright while I know what is goin on, I would be a liar then, Madrockie" Instead I try to tell everyone who are going there coz they need to, be prepare of the situation. I am one of the hardworker and I don't mind to work 120hrs a month and get paid what it might not be as much as we all dreaming of. BUT to fly 3times a month is NO WHERE you could do anything about it to get pay enough to pay off the bills. Well, if anyone just plan to go for the experience, that would be a cheap holiday on 3 times a month on the same destinaiton. Am I right?

But the situation is going the way that WE all can see the future.

So why some of us still try to say be positive (almost like try to lie to yourself).

My positive way of thinking is Finding the facts before I say thing on this forum coz i was the one who got lots of support from people here when I didn't make it.

And pls don't say I be negative coz i didn't get the YES email, check back all my post as I never worried about that instead I wanted to know the YES or NO coz I have my plan to do thing, yes, i still got my job and muy business here. To know the Yes or No, was a big relief for me to go ahead with my business plan or go to DXB.

As I believe in God and thnks God for all my friends who are working for EK at least 20 of them, and also another almost 10 friends who are working for EY , including my 2 good friend who is a pilot for EK and another friend who is a pilot for EY who given me all those facts to think about as the early state of this worse recruitment ever. That was a big help that I continue with my investment with my friend to do the business, if I don't get those info. I would dropped the plan while I was waiting for the golden call.

And now my information is not a romour so why would I keep it to make some of us keep on dreaming of something that could hurt us more.

Anyway, that's what my intention to help people think and be realistic!

I have nothing to lose or to gain from finding out the true and to prevent anymore heartbreak. Good luck Madrockie! And the war is in your mind because you know the facts now. Now you know where of those info. you can find out for your daughter so as the previous above NO ONE from EK would say anything about the share on the forum coz they will get fired!!!

.....I rest my case.....whatever makes you happy......:E:E:E

^:D
Oxa I said I wasn't going to worry about the things you were saying as my offer has been withdrawn. And yes, if Emirates contact me in the future, I will accept their offer.

MadRookie your humble advice is spot on.

hehe....thx Skywards :ok:

That is the spirit!

You keep on chasing your dream with a positive attitude and you WILL reach the golden pot at the end of the rainbow!

Methinks : "....one who falls down and does not stand up to run again, has lost faith in oneself....& is a lost cause, as the big beast of life will pick you up in it's jaws, chew you into little bits & spit you out into the gutter......"

Hooha

Skywards
 

Yes, i would do the same too and be prepare of being there.

But the facts I was there if they offered me on flagship only A380 flying, I wouldn't. As I want to make my career not to gain an experience. As I have mentioned if you want to go on that condition and the facts you are already know what it would be overthere if you go now. I'm pretty much sure that you will be survived. Of course if the business is getting better you will be lot happier. Keep in mind, by the Avaiation thing in Middle east, you need to complete at leat 100 hrs flying on one type of A/C before you can be trainned for a different types of A/C.

I hope they contact you back Skywards as soon as possible. So you can tell me if I was wrong while you are overthere so at least I was the stupid nonsense to poiont it out about this. I want you to be there and send us a message on this forum that I was wrong. Because I want it to be opposit from what I said. And this is my humble say as well...blame on me as much as you can use all the info. to prepare not to have another heartbroken story apart from the medical expenses, the withdrawal, the flagship email, the reserve line and no call out, etc.

Madrookie
 

Methinks : "....one who falls down and does not stand up to run again, has lost faith in oneself....& is a lost cause, as the big beast of life will pick you up in it's jaws, chew you into little bits & spit you out into the gutter......"

Good say and I always do that...I never gave up on my dream.. Keep on being positive through the end but don't forget to be nice and allow yourself to cry out. And learn from that, alright?:D

Skywards - As i have mention earlier, I was a cabin crew in the middle east and lived there. I have seen lots of difficult time among the airlines and EK never ever be like this, this is the real bad I ever seen. I have seen you were on the other forum and you already read what they said, how about those ppl who are at the trainning atm and what do they think, yes if you go there, keep your job and be positive. That's what I tried to say from the beginning to be prepare. I don't try to be negative. You have seen those post they hope they did gather enough information before they pack and leaving for Dubai. So what else you want to say about I am trying to tell people the facts to be prepared in case of another disappointment?

omg!
 

i think oxaliza has taken over the discussion! set up your own blog or something haha

Thank
 

Don't need to, because apparently there are more than enough information but depends on who want to accept the true and be realistic. And open their eyes wider to see the big picture till the economic is getting better.

What make me up to this point is why some people wants to learn in the hard way. I understand their have their own point of view so I only do my best. Thanks and I hope you got the good news as well. And thank you for your good sense of humour ha ha I think it is funny!!:ok::D

Oxaliza - i cant answer all your points as to be honest i lost the will to live halfway through your posts!

I am not about to publish my roster on this forum as it serves no purpose whatsoever. I am not a grade 2 and therefore it would not give a fair representation of what the wannabes in this forum could expect. All i will say is that i have seen no obvious change in my roster over the x number of years i have been working for EK.

With regards to Emirates allegedly undercrewing flights at the moment, that is just down to good economic sense (if in fact that is the case that they are being undercrewed). If a flight is not full, what is the point in spending needless money on flying pay ensuring that a full complement of crew are onboard. This happened shortly after the tragic events of 9/11 and enabled to company to save money rather than waste it.

From your posts i suspect that you are not EK crew, nor have had a recent interview with Emirates. Whilst you are entitled to your opinion and some of your points have value all you are serving to do is create demotivation of those who do want to join Emirates.

You also pointed out that i had said that people were leaving because of pay, rosters, dubai etc. If you re read my post i said it would be unfair of me to state what peoples reasons were for leaving.....i merely gave an opinion as to why they might be. As far as i am aware these are the 'normal' reasons that anyone leaves a job be it with Emirates or any other company.

To all the people who still want to work for EK, please make your own decisions. I am not going to sit here and tell you that it is a bed of roses, as with any job or company it has its faults, but it also has a whole heap of positives which is why people like myself have stayed for so long. We need motivated and positive people who will carry the company through this 'crisis' and into a new more fruitful era, dont be put off by those who obviously wish to be Emirates but couldnt quite hack it.

What still amazes me is that this person that is annoying many of us, knowing ALL THE FACTS PERFECTLY, went ahead to the open day hoping to get a job with EK, I guess that it all turned negative when she was rejected, well, I wonder why? :}, I bet that she would be thinking very different if she was accepted, it seems to me that she wants people to boycot EK so that she feels better about the rejection.

Would the moderators PLEASE do something with this individual, she is starting to get on many of our nerves :eek:.

PS: I wasn't complaining about the SFS, it was a comment on the service, something that you hijacked from another thread which, at the momment, ITS NOT FOR YOU !!!!!!!!! :=.