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Dubai Bound 7th Feb 2009 09:00

DOJ March 6
 
Still waiting on final approval but now who knows. I am trying to stay positive but if i get my offer withdrawn I will not be well at all. The amount of bad things i want to do in my head right now are immeasurable. I can't believe this **** is ******* happening to us. $8000 I spent on Dentals and for what? I better not get withdrawn or I will do something unimaginable

pinkylicious 7th Feb 2009 10:50

my head is getting shallower
 
every minute i read tese posts...

they should recruit us who have been waiting after sending in medicals!
this is totally unfair!!!

if they had foreseen this disaster they should have not asked us to do our medicals and immediately refuse our applications!

i'm one of the few who applied last year in july and they kept me on hold until i became 21 last december!
if i wasn't 20+ i would have already been working with them last year..

so guess better give up hope now and continue lloking for other jobs..

i'm so disappointed..

and they continue hosting open days in aussie and they did one recently in rome where i live!!

omg...

romell 7th Feb 2009 11:06

Seems quite an ilogical thing for them to do.Whitdrawing completely their offers while still holding interviews in the next few days instead of simply reschedueling the joining process...In any case if I do get the dreaded e-mail after all the money spent the first thing I'll do is calling my lawyer,not their recruitment team. In the offer of employment they state that they are commited to hire you on the only condition that you meet their medical standards.Heck, you could sue them for emotional damage as well. I wonder how they thought that they could turn down hundreds of people and whitout facing legal action...

bkkfly 7th Feb 2009 11:15

I was just reading throught the wannabes forum as we are hearing rumours here in DXB too. I can say part of the problem is accommodation, there is not enough accommodation in DXB for crew at the moment.Most AB initio are still in hotels which is costing the company so much.

Another problem for some of you guys is the EK is now focusing on recruiting crew from countries that it wants to expand in eg, India, Australia. I hate to say it, but people from little tin pot countries are not really on the radar for Emirates right now. You have to remember that in the UAE, the only right you have is the opposite of left. You may feel you have been treated unfairly with the refusal emails you have received but you are forgetting the concept of fairness does not apply here. You guys are a commodity and EK can treat you anyway they like. Sorry but I hope thats a reality check for you.

flylicious 7th Feb 2009 16:53

oh guys
 
I'm so sorry about the withrawal news. OMG, so devastated. As for me, I keep thinking about open day, looking forward it, and now "postponed". I want this job so bad :ugh:

Sodwee 7th Feb 2009 17:14

I'm sorry for all of you guys who got the email. Will indeed investigate tomorrow. Stay tuned. Thanks for the link by the way !

midoy10 7th Feb 2009 17:48

what they are looking for and what is happen !!!!!!
 
i received an email about my failure in the first selection of application http://static.pprune.org/images/smil...y_dog_eyes.gif:


Thank you for your interest in Etihad Airways.

Unfortunately, we will not be pursuing your application for Cabin Crew at this time. However, should you be interested in other positions within Etihad Airways, kindly return to the careers website and reapply for any position that you believe to be a good fit for your skills and experience.

Wishing you all the best in your future endeavors.http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/boohoo.gif

i had an experience in hospitality 5 stars hotels and sales agent in big mall
plus i have http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/worry.gifa great smile lol what they want ? someone have a DOCTORAT:=

why they trait people like that just let any one have a chance to go through interview http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/censored.gif or EK ,EY ... call any one wait for news but they send NO email:=:E

http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/wibble.gif God help us and good luck for every one http://static.pprune.org/images/smilies/sowee.gif

dazednconfused 7th Feb 2009 19:21

You should all just apply to etihad.. there is much more money in abu dhabi and despite the credit crunch i am sure etihad will just keep recruiting...
sorry to hear about what happened though....

Skywards 7th Feb 2009 19:34

Well guys I have a bit of info for you (really doesn't help us in anyway) but thought it was interesting. Was reading on another forum that a girl went to the open day in Sydney yesterday and the recruiters told them that they had put all recruitment on hold. They did the line up thing and handed in their resumes and they said they would be contacted in no less than 2 months to find out if they got to the next stage (I would say the one-on-one).

I do not understand how they can say this to people! I just want to go, so if they say to me lets put your start date on hold until June, I would be fine with it as long as I was still going! But the fact they may (still a tiny bit of hope left hence the 'may') withdraw their offer and make us start from scratch is absurd.

pinkylicious: I'm bummed too, the only reason I had a start date of March was because I have to give a month's notice to my employer. I could have left easily by the end of Jan if I didn't have to do that...it's amazing the difference a month can make!

bkkfly: Think you're right about the fact that there is just nothing we can do about it....unfortunately.

tiniviel 7th Feb 2009 19:38

:(
 
wow... I could have left yesterday, but i sad no...i wanted to finish my university...
if they hve to cut costs... they will hire people who did whole process like we did... but it is true... my flatmte went to belgrade today on open day... and they will have just group exercize and no interview

leaviateur 7th Feb 2009 21:25

I can see that this situation is altering everyone, and it's reasonable.

I think that all those Open Days that aren't postponed or cancelled, will indeed to hire new CC joiners. I don't see a point of making people travel long ways to get to the Open Days and themselves traveling that far just to say to applicants that they stopped the recruitments.
And those ones waiting for the final interview, they'll have just to wait, it's obvious that this financial crisis is afecting the world and definitely Emirates it's not an exception, but I can hardly imagine that those people that sent their medicals already are not joining the company (unless you have any medical issue) or that they will have to start it all over again, give 'em some time guys.
I see it pretty impossible that they won't hire no more because they have new planes joining the fleet as well, so they NEED more CC, but they'll certainly reduce the quantity of Assesment Days and people joining them due to this hard time world's going through.

Look @ this:

“The current economic climate has prompted many airlines (including ourselves) to re-assess business strategy and recruitment needs for the future. As a business it is paramount that we ensure that we match our recruitment policy to our actual and anticipated business requirements to enable us to create the right training and career opportunities for all those who wish to join us. This re-assessment has resulted in a decision to significantly reduce the number of new Cabin Crew we are hiring this year.
[...] We would seek to re-contact you when we have our next course start dates confirmed…”

Isn't that clear enough?? I think it is.

So... for those waiting, don't lose hope. If you make it this far, you're in. And I know all this situation it's just too tough, but be patient, it'll be worth it.

And those going to the Assesment Day, GO FOR IT! :ok:

PD: Don't believe everything you read:= Internet can be a Double-Edged weapon.

wannaworkupthere 7th Feb 2009 21:38

Jessi
 
I know Jessie went to Sydney open day yesterday, please tell us what happened? But remember what I said stay positive don't let things get to you, negativity may prevent you from getting what you want, staying positive means that A) right now you are happier B) if you get the job your dream will come true C) if you don't get the job, it's not your destiny and you'll be fine cos your strong and worrying doesn't help you! Good luck everyone, there are many people in the world less fortunate than you so just be greatful for what you do have and you'll attract more abundance into your life!!

leaviateur 7th Feb 2009 22:22


Originally Posted by mikesofly3000
romell : I strongly agree with you. If they're recruiting in the USA, everyone will sue them by now and they seriously will be facing some legal action....and Emirates will lose a million dollars....However, I think all of us here have the damn right to sue them now, don't you think?


I am speechless and feel sorry for who got that stupid email, and now anything could happen to all of us here. I'm so scared now even I got the "final approval" already. My DOJ is Feb 27th and I will not say "I make it" until I'll get the ticket and visa; I wish Emirates will keep me and keep hiring everyone, Please, Please, Please....

I would cry so hard and go crazy if I get that email.....As a matter of fact, this is extremely rude, and very unprofessional. People invest a lot of money to work here and now they turn them down with nothing in return. I understand about the economic crisis and their situations, but don't they think about us before making a decision at all???.......and now they're still recruiting more cabin crew out there, WTF!!!!!


I'd already got my final approval and my DOJ is Feb 27th but....Am I safe to join?, Am I secure?..I really don't know about my future right now!!!!


I've already quit my job, I've been gone too far, and I just can't afford to go back now.....Oh, My Life is now depending on 1 stupid email!!!!!!!
:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Some people here writes a lot of stuff before even think about what they're talking about.

It'll be a great waste of time and (most important) money for all those who start legal actions against Emirates. They just can do whatever they want with the Assesment Days they're holding just because it's YOUR CHOICE attending to them or not, even before you apply to the position, they let you know that they won't pay anything you need to go through their recruitment. They're not holding a gun directly to your head and all of the sudden they turn out not to hire anybody else, they're just making what's best for them, and eventually for the people they're hiring.
But well sometimes I forgot that in North America it's always better to take the easiest way, blame the other. GOSHH!

If you have you're joining date, then you're in. And if you really think this company is behaving rude... Then why don't you just do the same to them? Call them and say what you think about their policy and leave the position to somebody that may want it more than you do.

I don't think that an "unprofessional" company like Emirates, it's what it is because of this kinda things, I highly doubt it. They're just letting people know through their website & e-mails. There's nothing else they/we can do because WE ARE NOT employees yet.

So, just calm down, and wait 'till you get your tickets before talking like this, because you'll be happily working for them and for me you're having a stupid attitude.

Skywards 7th Feb 2009 22:37

I think the fact that we are all still waiting to hear from Emirates shows how bad we want it. As does the fact we are so upset that we don't know what's going on.

I think Mikesoffly3000 is meaning that the fact they have withdrawn from a signed contract is unfair. And yes they are to blame, we made the decision to apply and they made the decision the hire us (via written contract). To me that is their commitment to employ us, and they are to blame if they withdraw from that commitment.

I don't think it's fair to say such harsh things to Mikeoffly3000. You are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else on this forum. But there is no need for insults.

leaviateur 7th Feb 2009 22:43

Maybe those people with withdrawn "contract" didn't read the "contract" that well....

Emirates won't take a risk like that just because. You don't sign any contract UNTIL you're in Dubai. So check out what you understand by contract. What you sign in the interview are the company's policies and stuff... Otherwise, they're already employees and the should be receiving their salaries, but obviuosly, that's not happening.

I'm sorry if I'm being a bit rude, but this is how it works, complaining is useless since it won't take you anywhere.

And yes, you are right ther is no need to insult, and I didn't. I just said that his "attitude" was stupid. That's it.

dxb_ fido 7th Feb 2009 23:32

No Wayyyy
 
It's confirmed, Emirates is going to withdraw all the offers and cancel all their air plains orders.





















Relax guys, I have no idea what I'm talking about, it was a funny joke wasn't it ? of course it was not, I was just showing you my dear friends how a simple comment on this thread could ruin your day or get you a heart attack and it could be just a stupid idea in a day dreamers mind like mine.

So let's just expect the worst and hope for the best. My self I'm gonna start job hunting tomorrow, I can't even get any sleep :} it's 4:30 AM and I am drinking coffee and smoking my head off.

This thread although it's helpful and you get to know great people like you guys, but it's stressing the hell out of me.

It was raining in Dubai today, and in our culture rain means good news

Peace out,

Fido

Dubai Bound 8th Feb 2009 00:05

Dbx_fido
 
That was such a dick move......
I got such a good laugh out of it when I scrolled down. Damn my heart dropped..
It's good to get a laugh for once in the past couple days!!!

Skywards 8th Feb 2009 00:08

Sorry I should have referred to it as a 'letter of offer'....(but in the doc it is even referred to as a contract). To me, whatever it is called it is an agreement/commitment that they should uphold, not saying that they have to uphold it....just hoping they do!;)

Well said Fido...:Dgave me a laugh to!

mikesofly3000 8th Feb 2009 03:22

Thank you Skywards!!!!
 
Skywards....Thank you for writing your opinion!!! You have explained everything all!!!

Leaviateur....Chillax dude! You can go back and read "Skywards" comment again once more time and you will see what i mean. I was just made a comment on "romell comment" toward my point of view ONLY. I know that I am a bit worried about the situations at this point, but again it's just my "opinion" and it doesn't mean that I am going to sue them tomorrow....relax dude!!!!! If I had a stupid attitude like you said....well, what about your not so-nice attitude? how do you call it? I think, your words just a lil bit harsh as an attacker ....and are you working with EK now? Wow, very impressive! you know so much about everything in this world!!! I think you should work in HR Department...:D:D:D Please, end it up here!!! Sorry to everyone, this message is exclusively for Leaviateur.....

made_in_ukraine 8th Feb 2009 05:52

Leaviateur, with all my due respect to what you wrote here, there is also such thing as corporate culture and policy. Indeed, in legal terms, most probably, those whose offers have been withdrawn are unlikely to get any decision enforced upon Emirates. I am sure there must be a reference to force major conditions somewhere in the contract (I am not an employee of EK, nor was I offered an offer). And "adverse economic crisis" falls neatly into the force major frame.

That being said, one should also bear in mind that by withdrawing the current offers, Emirates is likely to cause some negative (and let me go as far as saying, "worldwide") impression of a company to work for. Granted, like every enterprise, their main drive is to make money, nothing wrong with this (and because of this, they will pursue policies which are beneficial to them at first place). However, there are certain things which money can't buy; reputation being one of them. No matter how much one has, if one tends to create a negative impression, it will stay along for a significant period of time (after all, people tend to remember bad things longer than good ones).

Let us do pure mathematical calculations:
People whose offers of employment are being withdrawn must have attended their assessment days in November/December. Given that there were around 20 assessments per month, with each assessment selecting on average 8-10 people, we are looking at 400 potential employees. Now, not everybody who went in November/December will (or rather would) be joining Emirates in February. About 30% have already joint in January, 70% will do so in February and March. Those 280 people who have received the "sorry to withdraw our offer" email would not make a big deal in such a huge corporation as Emirates is. Indeed, they will be saving a few thousands of dollars by not employing those 280. But the question is whether the money they would save is really worth given the negative outcry that the company is likely to face. I bet newspapers and journals will gladly address this issue - after all, it is not about "Emirates who does not have money" image but about "Emirates who offered employment to candidates who spent their own money" image. Credibility in reliability of Emirates will shrink drastically. And while passengers may not care that much about these poor 280 guys, the image will still be there...

There have been plenty of warnings for Emirates about its notorious spending with no clear dividends for the company. Moreover, the financial crisis did not start yesterday. Things have been deteriorating since September. A wise business planning done by wise accountants and economists would have calculated what company needed and could afford and thus predict how many of new FAs they can and should employ. And this would subsequently either shrink or enlarge the number of ADs or ODs they would be holding. If a company whose business plan states that money might be an issue still holds recruitment, then it clearly states that something is wrong inside the enterprise.

If the mistake in planning was made, then they should face it and do everything they can so that this mistake does not have any impact on the promises they were supposed to keep.

And as for "stupid" remarks, come on... We are all adults here. And, at least I, would imagine that a certain level of respect is a priori here. After all, one does not have to agree with everyone's opinion here; nonetheless, one should respect it. Would calling someone names follow this logic? A rather rhetorical question, I assume.

PS. Just to add one thing which occurred to me as I was re-reading my post. Take Lufthansa, for instance. They are among very very few airlines who have made profit last year (ca. 1,3bln EUR). They do plan to open some new routes; however, their FAs recruitment has been suspended until late 2010. It is not because they do not need FAs (on the contrary, they are 5-7% understaffed), but because they know (most probably, having done some serious calculations) that despite having recourses at this point, thins may change later (and there is no need to train FAs which does cost money) and then "let them go" because there is no money to pay their salaries. Wise business planning... simple as that!


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