Virgin Australia - Wannabes & Recruitment
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People listern to V Australia Union and Somewhereat, say NO. Both posts say it all. The Pilots are aslo saying NO and getting the Australia Federation of Pilots to help.
The agreement is very very poor and you guys need to stop and really think before next week. Again talk to some people in the industry and they will tell you how bad the agreement is.
The agreement is very very poor and you guys need to stop and really think before next week. Again talk to some people in the industry and they will tell you how bad the agreement is.
V Australia Union - where did you get $168 for 55 hours is LAX from?
So I assume that us who start on the 20th dont get to vote so........ do we find the result out on the Monday?
So I assume that us who start on the 20th dont get to vote so........ do we find the result out on the Monday?
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i think again from my previous post, people are just making this up without any truth behind it...
lets get the facts , or atleast let us who dont start until the 20th find out for ourselves rather than giving us a bunch of sour grapes to take with us to the first day rather than a shiny green apple, we are all adults and know what to do,
sorry if that sounds rude but... there are a majority of people who realise this job is a lifestyle not a donald trump empire!!!
lets get the facts , or atleast let us who dont start until the 20th find out for ourselves rather than giving us a bunch of sour grapes to take with us to the first day rather than a shiny green apple, we are all adults and know what to do,
sorry if that sounds rude but... there are a majority of people who realise this job is a lifestyle not a donald trump empire!!!
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The current estimate provided to us is $168USD, but this is still very low, comparing to QF, BA, VS who all get at least $100 more! This is only based on meal cash allowances. It is based on food in the surrounding area. The hotel doesn't seem to even have a proper restaurant, it looks like it is an outside restaurant next door, which delivers room service. If you have stayed there, please correct me if I am wrong. And don't get me started if the company starts giving meal vouchers instead of allowances.
The company has chosen to have the vote end on the 19th. This means crew starting after this deal will not be eligible to vote.
I think someone else put it well saying, "we are not trying to hold the company to ransom, it is just to protect your rights amd get a fair deal".
The company is awesome, expansion plans look exciting, and the aircraft is stunning! The Development Managers have really approachable, the trainers are great, the EPs are simple, clear and easy to learn.
No negativity is intended by any of my posts. I am trying to get everyone to realise that as great as the company is, there are alot of grey areas in the new agreement, that need to be sorted out, which Senior management seem unwilling to do.
If you are happy with the agreement, then vote yes. If you think agreement needs a little improvement and clarification, vote NO. Simple. Results should be released on the 20th.
I am not from FAAA, I am a cabin crew member.
The company has chosen to have the vote end on the 19th. This means crew starting after this deal will not be eligible to vote.
I think someone else put it well saying, "we are not trying to hold the company to ransom, it is just to protect your rights amd get a fair deal".
The company is awesome, expansion plans look exciting, and the aircraft is stunning! The Development Managers have really approachable, the trainers are great, the EPs are simple, clear and easy to learn.
No negativity is intended by any of my posts. I am trying to get everyone to realise that as great as the company is, there are alot of grey areas in the new agreement, that need to be sorted out, which Senior management seem unwilling to do.
If you are happy with the agreement, then vote yes. If you think agreement needs a little improvement and clarification, vote NO. Simple. Results should be released on the 20th.
I am not from FAAA, I am a cabin crew member.
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Holiday Inn at the airport which is just 3 star but more like 2.5, old and run down. It's like this, the deal puts VA international FA on a level equal to say Rex or Q Link- not current international standards. The deal needs a NO so it can be improved.
wrx712 - i completely agree with you. We have all worked so hard to land this role and all we have heard is negative negative negative. whilist I appreciate the heads up, it would be nice to turn up on Monday 20th with excitement rather than fear on how bad our conditions are.
On another note - those who are starting on the 20th - we have no choice anyway so there is no need to be uptight. It is completely out of our hands.
Holiday Inn hey - hmm I have heard its not the best. Yer it would be nice to stay ina nice hotel but rteally, as long as its clean, the bed is comfy dont forget you will be tired after 15 hours in the air.
Holiday Inn hey - hmm I have heard its not the best. Yer it would be nice to stay ina nice hotel but rteally, as long as its clean, the bed is comfy dont forget you will be tired after 15 hours in the air.
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"its a lifestyle, not a way to earn a living" I hear it so often and so often I think...what??? Writing novels from a south pacific island while collecting money from a trust fund is a lifestyle. Being on your feet 15hrs a day, dealing with medicals, complaints and hungry people is a job. And personally if it's a job I expect to be paid properly for it.
Asking for the average income in Australia is hardly the equivalent of wanting to be overpaid for what you do. So lets keep the Donald Trump references to ourselves. It's not selfish to expect an income on a par with what the rest of the country earns doing much easier work.
Asking for the average income in Australia is hardly the equivalent of wanting to be overpaid for what you do. So lets keep the Donald Trump references to ourselves. It's not selfish to expect an income on a par with what the rest of the country earns doing much easier work.
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It is not the Holiday Inn at the Airport! Where did that come from!The hotel is a leading 4 star property in a fairly good location about 35 mins from the airport.
Nice big rooms, pool, gym, and heaps of things to do in the vacinity! I think the moderators prefer not to have Hotel names posted on this forum.I would like to appologise for giving people a negative impression of the company! I can only say it again, my intention is not to create fear or aprehension. It is to spread the word to people who are voting in next weeks ballot! If you are not voting next week, then this is out of your hands, but if it were me, I would still want to know.
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Time is running out...!!
Can I just back up what V Aus union has said.....I agree, the product, the expansion plans and the general excitement around the airline is fantastic. We all are in it to make it work and be a part of something incredibly sucessful and exciting. However, we should be entitled to clarity around the terms and conditions (or lack thereof) found within our 'safety net.'
The company seems to want these direct relationships, however, they have really not come to the party and included in the agreement basic conditions that other airlines (including VB) enjoy and that we are entitled to as crew.
They want engaged pilots and cabin crew, however they don't seem to realise that as it stands, we are currently and will be the most disengaged crew in this country!
Unless we can have some negotiaition either directly or through someone else and express concerns before the vote, we must vote NO and either stay on our current contracts (which offer more potential for negotiations down the track) or get the company to negotiate with us after the NO vote if they ultimately want us on a collective agreement (which they most def do!)
The company seems to want these direct relationships, however, they have really not come to the party and included in the agreement basic conditions that other airlines (including VB) enjoy and that we are entitled to as crew.
They want engaged pilots and cabin crew, however they don't seem to realise that as it stands, we are currently and will be the most disengaged crew in this country!
Unless we can have some negotiaition either directly or through someone else and express concerns before the vote, we must vote NO and either stay on our current contracts (which offer more potential for negotiations down the track) or get the company to negotiate with us after the NO vote if they ultimately want us on a collective agreement (which they most def do!)
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V-Australia has agreed to meet with the pilots!
But not cabin crew!
Here some information from the pilot's union.
Bargaining Agents Pilots.pdf
I encourage all crew to appoint a bargaining agent.
The form was emailed by Scott Swift, but was not clearly explained.
Bargaining_Agent_Request[1].pdf
But not cabin crew!
Here some information from the pilot's union.
Bargaining Agents Pilots.pdf
I encourage all crew to appoint a bargaining agent.
The form was emailed by Scott Swift, but was not clearly explained.
Bargaining_Agent_Request[1].pdf
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Well it looks as though the company are realising the safety net will be a NO vote and that they might need to start bargaining with the crew via the FAAA union.
I urge all crew to return this document to the FAAA so they can begin negotiating with the company to better the conditions.
We aren't asking for Qantas old style contracts but definately need something better than what we are being offered.
V will be a huge success so we need to sow the seeds now so that we are rewarded later on.
As the previous post mentioned, fill this out and fax:
Bargaining_Agent_Request[1].pdf
I urge all crew to return this document to the FAAA so they can begin negotiating with the company to better the conditions.
We aren't asking for Qantas old style contracts but definately need something better than what we are being offered.
V will be a huge success so we need to sow the seeds now so that we are rewarded later on.
As the previous post mentioned, fill this out and fax:
Bargaining_Agent_Request[1].pdf
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I have sent out a group email, but because I am just using a hotmail account it is proving a little tricky. Oh well, keep your eyes peeled. It is basically just the same as we have discussed here on pprune, but sent to everyone, as I know no teveryone looks at pprune.
dy1ng_to_fly: YES - would I be doing this otherwise?
dy1ng_to_fly: YES - would I be doing this otherwise?
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Lets put that Holiday Inn rumour to rest - you will be staying at the Hilton Longbeach. Who gives a **** if its posted on here or not - look the hotel up and decide for yourself if its good enough!
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V Australia Union - Was just asking. None of your posts have been about recruitment, your ground school, any positive feeling about starting etc, just, well, as your name suggests, the V union
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dying_to_fly please read V Australia Unions post at the top of the page. I can definately see this crew member is happy to be at V but are obviously concerned about the terms and conditions.