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Old 31st Aug 2011, 02:02
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Qantas Assessment Day

Qantas is having an assessment day 21st september for Melbourne base!
Is anyone here coming?
Im really anxious, i have done my online surveys and what not and it was easy, organising my passport and an appropriate outfit for the day, touching up y resume' too!
Does anyone, can anyone, please tell me what to expect on the day. what i should know etc.
Appreciate the help!!!
thanks in advance!!
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 02:23
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I'll be there on the 21st

Doing my passport application now, shame my last one was a childs passport so I have to do the full application again.

Getting nervous too, would love to hear more about the recruitent day.

Guess I'll see you there ;D
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 02:37
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Text speak

[Text speak]

Read the first sticky thread at the top of the forum.
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 04:38
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I'm still tweaking my application form/resume before I apply... Does anyone have news as to when the MAM applications close (I'm in Sydney)?

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Old 31st Aug 2011, 04:56
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im doing the melbourne Assessment day and I applied with a pretty rough resume and didnt bother uploading a photo yet, the day after i applied i got invited to the assessment day but dont stress on the photo part. Ill be taking everything and more to the assessment day to wow them hehehe!
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Oh awesome, good luck with it! I'm such a perfectionist so I haven't sent it off yet as I wanted it to be perfect, with a proper professional business attire photo etc. Do you have any experience in the aviation or customer service industry?

I only live about 10 minutes from the city, but it's in the complete opposite direction to where the airport is (which means it'll be terribly difficult and expensive to get to and from the airport, especially afterhours), so I've spent the day looking at rental properties next to the airport... Probably getting way ahead of myself here haha, but I want this so bad!
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 07:40
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Have you completed your medical and submitted your security clearance yet?

Do you know how long it takes after these have been completed?
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 08:55
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So Im starting GS on the 12th September-Who else will be there??
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 03:43
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Jecui

Are you close to a train line? A lot of crew use the airport train to and from the airport and some of them live a lot further out of the city (some even near the central coast) and they fly with MAM so I wouldnt stress too much about moving.
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Talking

Yeah, just applied! (Sydney based)
Can't wait to hear from them.

Jecui: stop looking at apartments - get your pic taken!

Does anyone know when the next assessment day in Sydney might come up?

Also, any info about timelines, e.g. how long it usually takes between applications to assessment to ref check to ground school etc etc would be appreciated. Hear-say and rumors too!

Thank you guys.
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GalleyHag - Not too close to a train station (about a 30 min walk), but a 7-10 min bus into the city centre where I can get a train. I was just worried that if I had an early start or late finish, it would be near impossible to commute because of the lack of transport services at those times. The earliest I'd be able to get to the airport would be about 5:15 and I wasn't sure that'd be early enough if I got a very early flight? Considering the price of the airport train it'd probably be better financially for me to move to Mascot as well. There are some nice places around there and it would be super convenient.

SydFly - good luck with your application! I'm not sure on the time of the recruitment process through to training etc, but I'm not expecting it to be particularly quick from what I've read? I've read a few forums where people had interviews in August and started ground school in January, and others have had much longer waits. I guess it would depend though Have you worked for an airline before? Wanted to take my pic yesterday but my boss was around and probably would have wondered why I was taking photos of myself against the wall All taken today though! Very excited now!

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SYDFLY

So based on my own experience, heres my timeline:
04.08-Assesment day
08.08-Reference checks
19.08-Medical and security email
29.08-Offered Ground School for 12.09

Pretty quick for me, but based on what ive read, some people wait months or sometimes more than a year. I think they have a few ground schools left-1 in september and i think 2 in october. Based on the amount of assesment days theyve already had, Id take a guess and say if successful youd be looking at early next year.
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I wouldnt spend too much time on my application! I spent a whole of like 15mins. Its more about how you present yourself at the actual assesment day and how you communicate with others.
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 06:57
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sydney assesments

SydFly

i was invited to these assesment days in sydney via MAM
05-Sep-2011 08:30 AM- Sydney 06-Sep-2011 08:30 AM- Sydney
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Monday and Tuesday next week? I applied earlier today, hope I didn't leave it too late to be considered for those dates!
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I had my MAM interview in ADL on the 1/09. They checked my references at 9am the next morning!!! Was very excited. Both my references gave glowing feedback so I am pretty excited with that. Fingers crossed that I get an email next week to progress further!!!
Does anyone else have any advice? Did anybody get good references and then not make it?? Anyones reponse would be appreciated

YAY
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 02:55
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MAM / QF - Inside story

FYI to all people currently undergoing the MAM recruitment process.

I was once employed my MAM as a Casual Flight Attendant going back some years and flew for Qantas.

For the last 15 yrs I have been in the airline industry and currently work for another airline based in Australia.

I understand how MAM operate directly with Qantas to satisfy their requirements at any given time.

I am writing this post as I have information that you will want to know but will not be told by either MAM or Qantas. It makes me angry that MAM are still up to their old tricks, jumping through hoops for Qantas and not taking into consideration the long term effects their actions will have on new Cabin Crew recruits.. It makes me sick.

Let's just say that this info comes directly from the Qantas side...

Qantas are currently predicting a shortfall of crew due to some minor crew movements, ie.. redundancy, base transfers and only minor growth. Over the last 5 years Qantas established QCCA (Long Haul reduced cost crew), and QCCD (Short Haul low cost crew) to compete with other airlines, and cut cost from their worldwide operation as a whole.

As previously mentioned Qantas are undertaking various actions to cull crew who have been around a long time. The crew targeted are quite literally earning a small fortune, some CSMís are earning as much as First Officers. This is occurring by means of a small number of crew redundancy and forced leave. Whilst they are undertaking these processes they are legally unable to recruit or offer new jobs on their mainline operation, hence they call on MAM to do this for them.


Qantas once utilised MAM quite extensively in the past, and with the creation of QCCA and QCCD over the past years, MAM was slowly being phased out as the casual staff MAM provided were now more expensive than QCCA & QCCD. The current short fall of crew due to redundancy is not enough to warrant a recruitment drive of full time crew, and forced leave is only a temporary shortage.

This is where the flexibility of casual crew comes in. Be very aware that after things have settled down at QF mainline operations there may not be a need for the extra crew accumulated through the current MAM drive. If you have been hired by MAM you will not get the conditions of your contract until you have completed your 7 week training course, which for most people to get to that point will mean quitting their current job, and possible relocation and hugely reduced wages during that period. I know the conditions of the contract very well, and you will need to read it very clearly, especially the part about termination. In brief the clause regarding termination more or less says that you may be terminated if the client airline does not have sufficient flying or are experiencing surplus crew. This is exactly what is forecast with Qantas for next year. I am also told by a recent MAM interview attendee that QF/MAM are telling attendees that there is Career Progression at MAM. I can tell you right now this is a flat out lie. There never has been, and never will be career progression at MAM. The only way to progress from MAM is to either leave or wait around for years and one day Qantas may open 5 or so positions in each base for QCCA or QCCD. I experienced this and I can tell you almost every MAM Casual applied for these 5 positions.. Good luck!

If you think it is weird, and a waste of time/money for QF to train you for a short period of time you are wrong. In 2004 QF trained many crew to a minimum requirement to prepare for Crew industrial action. They were trained at the Sydney Jet Base after hours and shuttled around in busses with blackened windows, so current crew would not catch on with what was occurring. They were issued cheap King Gee work uniforms, much different from the Morissey uniforms full time crew were waring, and then leading up to, during and after the planned industrial action these crew were on constant reserve. I believe some of them flew on one or two flights then the whole lot of them were dumped. It was appalling and very degrading for these new recruits with stars in their eyes. This story was in the media at the time but Qantas still got away with it. Now they use MAM to do their dirty work..

Why am I telling you this? Because I have been screwed over by QF on several occasions, without regard to how much effort, dedication & sacrifice you put in. Sacrifices I have made for QF have been financial, personal and to my previous and future career. I am still trying to catch up to this day. I don't want this to happen to the young fresh people they prey on - YOU. I want you to beware and be aware that this may happen to you.

If you have never dealt with MAM before I have no doubt that you will not have any of their contact details. So if you have questions you want answered contact them yourself and donít rely on information spread on this thread from people who have no idea what they are talking about!

Here are the details to contact MAM:


03 9326 0774


[email protected]


MAM staff: Wei, Swan & Maurice Alexander
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 04:59
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Thanks to everyone for their great feedback! Yep - got invited for coming week Monday or Tuesday too! I'm impressed how fast that went. Fingers crossed now. And good luck to everyone attending or applying!
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Well done highflyer! I have my interview coming up in Sydney. Can you shed any light on what questions they asked you in the final interview?
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"Please note that as more recruitment dates become available they will be published on this website. Once a session is fully booked, it will no longer be visible on this site."

Got the email but obviously couldn't register for the Sydney day for this morning as it started after I received the registration email. Does the above mean there may be more Sydney days coming up? I would definitely fly to another assessment day in a different state, but are those exclusively for people who will be working out of those bases? Any help appreciated, I really want this!
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I have heard that Qantas will now only recruit through MAM for cabin crew.

Then as crew are required for QCCA or QD positions, the MAM crew will be invited to apply and transfer over. If this is true, it is good that the MAM crew will have something to work towards.

just in case any confusion was caused by terradactyl's post....
'QD' (not 'QCCD') refers to "Qantas Domestic ltd"
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