Qantas Domestic - Wannabes & Recruitment
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Hi Flapping thanks for info about ccm, Do you know if there is any vacancies for it at the moment? as i was a purser for long time with my old airline.
Yeh me too wonder how much on average you take home with allowances. Look at past links it looks like $36,500 per month. am i right?
Thanks guys for all your help!
gucci
Yeh me too wonder how much on average you take home with allowances. Look at past links it looks like $36,500 per month. am i right?
Thanks guys for all your help!
gucci
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Gucci,
You need to be working for the airline first before you can think about promotion. Positions can be quite rare and VERY sort after.
A lot of European and Middle East airlines recruit CSM directly but not Qantas.
You need to be working for the airline first before you can think about promotion. Positions can be quite rare and VERY sort after.
A lot of European and Middle East airlines recruit CSM directly but not Qantas.
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Hey Shortfinal...I went through the agreement and did a rough calculation. Yearly flying hours are around 1872, and its about $5 an hour, which is $9360.00 + salary of $36.5K...thats sort of a definite minimum of $45,860. then I believe there's other things added in as well...but no one wants to shed any light on it. Do you know of any friends in QF as domestic crew who will give a rough estimate. Even if it varies its not going to swing too much in either direction. Its really not very fair especially for those who have in the meantime built up careers and want to switch to cabin crew, they need to know roughly what the take home pay is.
Gucci - Qantas does not hire straight into CSM position. You can be flying for long time but when you join to start from scratch. Your current position will however give you an edge when you do apply for the CSM position after 18 months as a cabin crew.
Gucci - Qantas does not hire straight into CSM position. You can be flying for long time but when you join to start from scratch. Your current position will however give you an edge when you do apply for the CSM position after 18 months as a cabin crew.
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I have been following the thread for a while and I understand completely how difficult it is to get an answer about take home pay but like everything with Qantas nothing is set in stone, so it is even difficult to estimate, but I will try and help out. The base salary is exactly that, the base on top of that you get all the extra's as detailed in the QF Domestic EBA. At QF Domestic there is no bidding for trips therefore not as easy to control your fortnightly pay as other crew who are able to bid.
I spoke with a friend in Perth and they will sometimes have 150-300 hours of DTA per month. As you can see that is quite a variable as thats a $750.00 difference from month to month and clearly effects your take home pay. As some months he will do a lot of day trips and a couple of overnights meaning his DTA is around 150 and some of that is taxed due to day trips and other times he will just do trips for the whole month meaning he will have something like 300 hours of DTA untaxed being an additional $1500.00 on top of your base pay per month.
As I explained its not easy to estimate as the flying may and will change sometimes from month to month. My advice to you is if you can live off the base plus say 150 hours of DTA per month @ $5 than apply and good luck and anything extra that you get is a total bonus but if you cant live off that maybe QF Domestic is not for you.
Just my advice on the salary because you have zero control over your flying.
As for CSM promotion dont go into QF Domestic thinking that is an easy way to increase your salary. Very rarely has Qantas over the past 3 years offered promotions and as already noted these positions are VERY difficult to achieve at the best of times. Thats not to say you wont be successful but dont go into role thinking that way. There are prob hundreds of ex Ansett on board managers at Qantas Domestic not to mention ex Emirates, BA and list goes on and on.
I spoke with a friend in Perth and they will sometimes have 150-300 hours of DTA per month. As you can see that is quite a variable as thats a $750.00 difference from month to month and clearly effects your take home pay. As some months he will do a lot of day trips and a couple of overnights meaning his DTA is around 150 and some of that is taxed due to day trips and other times he will just do trips for the whole month meaning he will have something like 300 hours of DTA untaxed being an additional $1500.00 on top of your base pay per month.
As I explained its not easy to estimate as the flying may and will change sometimes from month to month. My advice to you is if you can live off the base plus say 150 hours of DTA per month @ $5 than apply and good luck and anything extra that you get is a total bonus but if you cant live off that maybe QF Domestic is not for you.
Just my advice on the salary because you have zero control over your flying.
As for CSM promotion dont go into QF Domestic thinking that is an easy way to increase your salary. Very rarely has Qantas over the past 3 years offered promotions and as already noted these positions are VERY difficult to achieve at the best of times. Thats not to say you wont be successful but dont go into role thinking that way. There are prob hundreds of ex Ansett on board managers at Qantas Domestic not to mention ex Emirates, BA and list goes on and on.
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Hi Everyone, you all seem confused about the pay and rightly so...you can't really give a definate....especially now you can't bid for your roster. However you should be looking at around $55,000 (give or take). You will also find a portion of this tax free (overnight DTA - daily travel allowance). Promotion to CSM doesn't come up very often...they are talking about letting new recruits apply, however you would need to have previous experience to do this short term.
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Hmm it's a bit dissapointing you can't bid or have a rough idea of take home pay. I really want to apply, have always wanted to work for QF but I think I'll wait till someone sheds some light. Am currently based out of SYD with Virgin with an average of 9 on's per month and a base salary of just under $48,000. So QF is $36,500 plus your DTA and incentive pay and as far as I read, you get a dollar amount per hour if you work unsociable hours/weekends/public holidays. Surely that's around the $55K mark but I also read that you will be assigned a reserve roster or a flying roster. That will def affect pay if you hardly fly during your reserve roster! Decisions, decisions lol.
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Nat the cat do you know when they might open upgrade for new recruits?
I am interested as i was purser with an airline in the Middle East.
Thanks everyone for feedback about pay!
Gucci
Nat the cat do you know when they might open upgrade for new recruits?
I am interested as i was purser with an airline in the Middle East.
Thanks everyone for feedback about pay!
Gucci
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yes I have worked for two well know airlines - 1 in oz and 1 in middle east. About CSM, very much doubt QF would recruit externally (the unions would not let this happen)....believe they would look at new recruits to apply for CSM internally. This would only be when positions arise...could be 6 months could be a few years...you just never know. Back to the pay, someone was talking about hourly rate for nights and weekend, this is correct it is $8 or $9 an hour (can't remember).
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For all those wanting the financial details...
The salary for a Qantas Domestic FA is $36,597. You will be paid around $5 an hour for every hour you are away from your base on top of that.
Plus, band money depending on what time it is in the day and what day of the week or year it is. This ranges from $1 for a weekday (70% of your flying in $1 or $2) $2 for early mornings to $4 on weekends. $7 on public holidays.
When calculating the extra money you will earn from the above, you will work around 120 hours a month flying hours (currently a little less). So taking into consideration your annual leave of 6 weeks a year - 1320 hours a year on average flying hours. $6500 to $8000 average.
Your yearly income will be around $45-50,000 (before tax), or around $1200-1400 (after tax) a fortnight.
There is no Year One FA, Year Two, etc. at Qantas Domestic. You will just receive what your agreement states. Currently 3% a year increase in wage.
No bidding for trips, and days off.
Good Luck to all.
The salary for a Qantas Domestic FA is $36,597. You will be paid around $5 an hour for every hour you are away from your base on top of that.
Plus, band money depending on what time it is in the day and what day of the week or year it is. This ranges from $1 for a weekday (70% of your flying in $1 or $2) $2 for early mornings to $4 on weekends. $7 on public holidays.
When calculating the extra money you will earn from the above, you will work around 120 hours a month flying hours (currently a little less). So taking into consideration your annual leave of 6 weeks a year - 1320 hours a year on average flying hours. $6500 to $8000 average.
Your yearly income will be around $45-50,000 (before tax), or around $1200-1400 (after tax) a fortnight.
There is no Year One FA, Year Two, etc. at Qantas Domestic. You will just receive what your agreement states. Currently 3% a year increase in wage.
No bidding for trips, and days off.
Good Luck to all.
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RE External CSM Recruitment
Exceptional, this information is 100% incorrect. I have confirmed this with management.It has however been announced via crew voice that they expect to have some recruitment for CSMs soon(esp for Perth), however, this will only be available(as previous) to those already employed by the company. Whilst appreciating that this is not necessarily a requirement by other airlines, it still remains so at Qantas. Gucci77 I still wish you the best of luck with your endeavours.
