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Old 4th Jun 2024, 07:23
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Not LBA but the noise monitoring team for another major UK airport once told me that two people were responsible for 99% of their complaints (or some similar outlandish statistic, can’t remember exactly). Wouldn’t be surprised if the same happened here.

A few more flights wouldn’t do any harm, LBA to LHR should never have been scrapped. It changes a 40 minute flight into a four hour epic across London or stuck in the giant roadwork that is the M1.
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 07:43
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Originally Posted by Fursty Ferret
the noise monitoring team for another major UK airport once told me that two people were responsible for 99% of their complaints
Social disorder / crime is the same way, if you ask any policeman - there's basically 1% of people responsible for all of it.
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 07:47
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Originally Posted by Fursty Ferret
Not LBA but the noise monitoring team for another major UK airport once told me that two people were responsible for 99% of their complaints (or some similar outlandish statistic, can’t remember exactly). Wouldn’t be surprised if the same happened here.

A few more flights wouldn’t do any harm, LBA to LHR should never have been scrapped. It changes a 40 minute flight into a four hour epic across London or stuck in the giant roadwork that is the M1.
The train service is 2.5 hours or less and a cheaper option (data from trainline and kayak). I know this may be unpopular on this forum but short hop air travel is not always the answer
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 07:56
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The problem with the train, as a person that used the ECML twice weekly knows from Leeds to London it isn’t a reliable service. To avoid missing your flight you have to allow plenty of time and then face getting across London on the underground with luggage.
At least when taking a connecting flight the airline are obligated to get you to your final destination something the train company obviously isn’t obligated to do. I now stick to connecting via Dublin or Schipol when flying LH from LBA.
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 07:59
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Oh yes, I agree that investment in trains, track and management is also necessary. Providing a RELIABLE train service would, in my view, be a better solution. YMMV
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The trouble with trains is people jump in front of them. It happens much more often than people think, because these incidents are not publicized to discourage copycats. And when it does happen, reliability goes out the window for the rest of the day.

If you are on a train that's stopped because of a jumper ahead, unless you're on a section of track that's easily accessible by road, you aren't going anywhere for several hours. And neither are the people waiting in stations behind you.

I say this as a regular traveller on commuter trains. They are almost always on time, until...

The carrier I use doesn't mince words in their onboard announcements. They use the words "trespasser" and "fatality" so you know exactly why you're not moving.

Let me also say this: my carrier has a policy of refunds for all if your train is more than 15 minutes late. I have used it, and they stand behind it. Small consolation if you've been stuck for hours..
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 18:03
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I purchased my first property within 10miles of LHR in 1979. Conveyancing solicitor told me to expect noise. Aircraft back then were much less frequent but also much noisier. I still purchased (and still own it). I love aircraft noise!
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Old 4th Jun 2024, 22:04
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Originally Posted by 3db
I purchased my first property within 10miles of LHR in 1979. Conveyancing solicitor told me to expect noise. Aircraft back then were much less frequent but also much noisier. I still purchased (and still own it). I love aircraft noise!
Well thats two of us at least :-)
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Must be something to do with our age!
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Originally Posted by 3db
Must be something to do with our age!
Not me !
Been strangely addicted since childhood.
Think Lightnings at Leuchars and Vulcans or Vulcan at Prestwick twisted my head :-)
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Cool

I expected a thread about Luftfahrt Bundesamt,
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Nearly 40 years ago my job took me to Leeds, when looking for a house the standing joke amongst my new colleagues was to avoid some areas (Horsforth & Cookridge) because you’d have noise, tyre marks on your roof and unburnt fuel falling from the sky.

As it was the house we chose was 4 miles as the crow flies from the airport, not on the approach to the longer runway 14/32 but under the 09/27 approach (the shorter less used runway )

We still regularly heard and were often woken by the early morning British Midland flight departing to Heathrow, back then using a DC9 iirc. I flew on it, the BA flights to Gatwick and the KLM / Air UK flights to Schiphol quite regularly. (Work took me to Sweden, Switzerland, France & Germany quite regularly)

Strangely we seemed to hear the flights, particularly the British Midland early morning flight more clearly than someone living just 1.75 miles from the airport (in Bramhope)

We had very few approach or departures overhead to the 2nd shorter runway 09/27 and eventually it closed, and while flights in general certainly got more frequent the noise levels appeared to have dropped significantly with the use of more modern aircraft to the point where it isn’t really an issue…at least for those who were sensible enough to choose to live somewhere other than on the approach path.

With the ‘wrong’ air conditions and open windows overnight we heard flights at 30k feet to and from North America into Europe far more than anything local.

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And two more

Originally Posted by El Grifo
Well thats two of us at least :-)
One of my sons earliest words, (he's now a SNCO in the RAF) was '' 'Ackelton"

A342
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Originally Posted by ACW342
One of my sons earliest words, (he's now a SNCO in the RAF) was '' 'Ackelton"

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Oh Sh** !!!!!! :-) :-)
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Old 10th Jun 2024, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Maninthebar
The train service is 2.5 hours or less and a cheaper option (data from trainline and kayak). I know this may be unpopular on this forum but short hop air travel is not always the answer
From Leeds to Kings Cross is minimum of 3 hrs 20 IF everything goes to plan. It's 2hrs 15 just for Leeds to Kings Cross. Oh and direct flights from LBA to LHR were stopped in the pandemic.
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Old 10th Jun 2024, 15:52
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"From Leeds to Kings Cross is minimum of 3 hrs 20 IF everything goes to plan. It's 2hrs 15 just for Leeds to Kings Cross. "

i'm confused - its 3:20 AND it's 2:15???
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Old 10th Jun 2024, 17:59
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Given the context of the original quote I’m guessing 3:20 is Leeds to Heathrow. Not quite the 4-hour epic described but not too far off.
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Old 11th Jun 2024, 08:10
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he says Kings cross for both times - I presume he means LBA and C Leeds - but who knows............ maybe he went the long way round
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Old 11th Jun 2024, 08:22
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I know what it says, but the original quoted post was in response to:

Originally Posted by Fursty Ferret
A few more flights wouldn’t do any harm, LBA to LHR should never have been scrapped. It changes a 40 minute flight into a four hour epic across London or stuck in the giant roadwork that is the M1.
Kings Cross to Heathrow is 51 mins, add a buffer for connection and it works out about right.
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Old 16th Jun 2024, 13:00
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
he says Kings cross for both times - I presume he means LBA and C Leeds - but who knows............ maybe he went the long way round
Firstly my apologies, I was multi tasking when I posted.

Leeds to Heathrow is a min of 3hrs 20 if all goes to plan, more realistically c.4hrs. The first leg from Leeds to Kings Cross is c 2hrs 15 at best.
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