Just a question
 

Hello fellow aviators,

I have the oppertunity to fly for a belgium bussines/charter company.They want me to pay for the type ( turboprop)and there after I would get a JOB Yeehaah.To me this kind of sounds to good to be thru.I would like to have jour opinions on this subject. I also would like to know what I should expect as a salary flying as a first officer on a 19 seat turboprop.


Thx for any shared thoughts.


Gear down sync off speeds high sounds familiar?

Hello.
I dont know the salary in belgium.
In germany you can expect for these type of job 2200 Euro brutto per month. To pay for the type rating is now normal in europe :-(
Greets Markus

Get it on paper that they WILL hire you when/if you pass the type-checkride. I don't know how to ensure that they will cover your costs if they decide halfway through not to hire you. You could also go 50/50 with a training bond agreement (legally worthless, but shows goodwill and faith from both parties)..
Whos says they won't hire somebody else who IS typed, and IS experienced whilst you are off doing your training.

I think it sucks that you have to pay, and I would hate to sit in the end with no job, rated with zero experience on type and a huge bill to pay..

Who me, a pessimist?.. :D

Scam?
 

Make sure you know what you are doing.

Could it be a scam? Read about scams somewhere on www.loh.nu to watch out for possible traps. Do they want you to pay THEM for the training, or some other company like FlightSafety, Simuflite etc?

Or is it one of these schemes, pay for type AND pay for hours?

Good luck

Drop,
Very wise words old man. These schemes can be a total scam and end up costing the individual loads of cash for no job..........


Be VERY careful and get everything in writing up front. Its easy to get caught up in the excitement of a new job and sign up to anything thats offerred, take your time and get it all checked out.


Hope it works out for you. :)

ratings
 

If the company is very keen to employ your good self they should
provide you with the type rating.
If they provide you with the type rating you should be bonded to that company for a stated period. If you decide to leave the company half way through the bonded period you should pay back the company half the cost of the initial type rating.
If you go out on a limb and pay for the type rating your self
.....what happens in 3 months when the company goes bankrupt.?
You have to look at the situation very carefully. A company is ususally more liquid than a pilot....the relationship between you and the potential employer hopefully is one of trust and respect.
If they are not of this nature along the line they will throw you to the crocodiles.
Good Luck

If they cannot afford to type you, can they afford to employ you?

Hello everybody,

I would like to thank all of jou for sharing their thoughts.It really helps that a few more experienced aviators give their opinion on this subject.Reading your replies kinda gave me a less shining view on things.If this company really wants to employ me they would have no trouble giving me the proposed deal on writing.If they cannot do that though luck for them.:D


Everybody muchos happy landings,


ME LIKE SUSHI

Hey Folks.
Sushi where is the operator based in belgium?
Maybe i know them.
Greets Markus

This particular coin has a few sides....... although often the company will type you and you're bonded for a year say, the first year salary (often a lowish one with the mention of a rise after 12 months) really means that you've paid for the rating yourself anyway over the year.
If you pay for your own rating, and you've enough experience on other types that from day one you're making a proper contribution to the job, you could expect a real salary.
However if the company goes down in that first year or indeed in subsequent ones and the type isn't a popular one, you're a bit stuffed. (check around to see who else operates this type)
In any situation both sides should make a gesture of good faith ie they pay up front for the rating, you agree to work for them for a year and good luck to you on what salary you can extract from them. :D

In my opinion, bonding is a fair way for a company to protect their investment in a pilot. The downside for the company is if the pilot runs away anyway, and it can be difficult or impossible for them to get the money from the pilot.

The most effective way to come after a pilot who ran from a bond is by documenting to his new employer what happended, this often leads to problems or even fireing from the new company.

In many countries it is illegal for a company to bond an employee. I think it is even EU law, though I don't know the details of it.