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RichardJones 18th Jun 2023 13:18

Sad News. Flying Wild Alaska.
 
Jim Tweto RIP.

Now he was a real pilot.

https://mustreadalaska.com/jim-tweto-legendary-alaska-bush-pilot-believed-to-be-in-cessna-that-went-down-in-western-alaska/?fbclid=IwAR1ZxG3dMfjmTnqxqeDLNo70KxWGOZhxz8wlcwQeEhqrypV_IV olA7vjlQ8


Jhieminga 19th Jun 2023 09:29

Sad news, I enjoyed the series when it first emerged.

Copied the link so that it's more easily available: https://mustreadalaska.com/jim-tweto...estern-alaska/
and: https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/286896/

340drvr 19th Jun 2023 09:46

Sad indeed, I enjoyed the show as well. The show seemed to present a fairly realistic image of Alaskan ops.
RIP.

EasternHorizon67 19th Jun 2023 11:24

Very sad news, I remember watching the video a few years back

1southernman 19th Jun 2023 17:15

Jim Tweto "Flying Wild Alaska"
 
Really enjoy the show...Been waiting for an update on the accident...

Bksmithca 19th Jun 2023 18:01


Originally Posted by 1southernman (Post 11453550)
Really enjoy the show...Been waiting for an update on the accident...

According to the news accident happen Friday Jun 15. Given the remote location it's likely going to take a while.

FullMetalJackass 22nd Jun 2023 10:02

Dan Gryder - probable cause - claims that the issue was simply overweight take off. Initially there were claims Jim landed, offloaded someone and took off with his passenger. Apparently the story is that two hunters were awaiting collection by Jim, along with a bear which they had killed. Jim loaded the bear and one of the two hunters, then attempted to take off but apparently without considering conditions and actual weight and balance.

If that's actually the case, I'm shocked because in Alaska, they have exemptions for flying 15% over MTOW in certain circumstances. I'm hoping that Dan is mistaken and Jim was faced with an underperforming engine or some loss of power on take off, rather than accept that someone like Jim can be brought down by poor prep in terms of weight and balance calculations.....

EXDAC 13th Jul 2023 15:27


Originally Posted by FullMetalJackass (Post 11454994)
Dan Gryder - probable cause - claims that the issue was simply overweight take off. Initially there were claims Jim landed, offloaded someone and took off with his passenger. Apparently the story is that two hunters were awaiting collection by Jim, along with a bear which they had killed. Jim loaded the bear and one of the two hunters, then attempted to take off but apparently without considering conditions and actual weight and balance.

NTSB report says both hunters had been flown out and the accident flight was carrying one of the remaining guides - https://tinyurl.com/2wetufpf

GE only has low resolution image data but this is my guess as to strip location and orientation and also the NTSB reported location of the wreckage:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....da36fd94dc.png



340drvr 14th Jul 2023 10:53

More discussion here from Juan Browne, and NTSB preliminary report:

RichardJones 14th Jul 2023 17:32

As much as I loved tail wheel aircraft and their versatility, they always sit on 3 points. Meaning? Take a C172 for eg you can load it, then push down on the tail plane and if it lifts the nose " too easily".you know you have an aft C of G of course. Harder to do in a tail wheel. Not to mention C of G shift with fuel burn.
With the C of G in the aft position, it can become more longitudinaly unstable, when flap beyond t/o flap is selected. More air pushing down on the horizontal stabiliser, to put it simply. In a lot of cases. Depending on type of course.
Aft C of G probably was not a contributing factor in this accident. But who knows?


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