More Fake Nonsense.
Seriously. Have you ever read such nonsense? Who on earth is writing this crap?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...uper-rich.html
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Hello!
It may be written in a stupid way, but the contents of this article is not entirely wrong. The company I fly for is now down to a crewfactor of one. When a colleague calls in sick, the plane stays on the ground. All the FOs but one have gone to the airlines and it is only a matter of time when the last one will leave. Crew scheduling has become very difficult because many of the remaining pilots are over 60 and no two pilots of 60 or above are allowed to fly together. Business aviation has zero appeal to most pilots these days and I myself am seriosly cosidering (after 30 years on the job) to do something different for my remaining years. Almost everything else is better. Regards Max |
Originally Posted by what next
(Post 10588991)
no two pilots of 60 or above are allowed to fly together.
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It's not difficult to see why though. Who wants to do 3-400hrs a year on an entry level TP/Jet with the commensurate time away, when you can go to the airlines and be pretty much guaranteed 900hrs/year - so over half the time to unfrozen ATPL and command, get all the benefits of working for a big company (Stability, holiday, etc). 5 years in RYR/EZY/BAW, over 4000hrs multi crew and the world is your oyster. Or, 2000rs sub 5ton with a big wedge less in your pocket.
I can think of numerous training schools that are struggling to find instructors to pay over 40k/year salaried - let alone keep them for long enough to make any investment in them worthwhile. |
Hello!
Originally Posted by x933
(Post 10589575)
It's not difficult to see why though. Who wants to do 3-400hrs a year on an entry level TP/Jet with the commensurate time away, when you can go to the airlines and be pretty much guaranteed 900hrs/year ...
Originally Posted by x933
(Post 10589575)
... benefits of working for a big company (Stability, holiday, etc)..
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Originally Posted by Cole Burner
(Post 10589337)
Interesting - my (airline) company removed this restriction several years ago.
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Age 60 limit only applies to single pilot ops.
https://www.icao.int/safety/airnavig....aspx#anchor23 |
EASA commercial operations restrictions mean that in 2 pilot operations, only 1 can be over 60. If one is 60+ and the other pilot has a restriction on their medical (other than vision correction) then they cannot be crewed together.
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Originally Posted by redsnail
(Post 10590222)
EASA commercial operations restrictions mean that in 2 pilot operations, only 1 can be over 60.
Please refer to Part FCL.065 https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...u/Part-FCL.pdf |
Originally Posted by what next
(Post 10588991)
Hello!
It may be written in a stupid way, but the contents of this article is not entirely wrong. The company I fly for is now down to a crewfactor of one. When a colleague calls in sick, the plane stays on the ground. All the FOs but one have gone to the airlines and it is only a matter of time when the last one will leave. Crew scheduling has become very difficult because many of the remaining pilots are over 60 and no two pilots of 60 or above are allowed to fly together. Business aviation has zero appeal to most pilots these days and I myself am seriosly cosidering (after 30 years on the job) to do something different for my remaining years. Almost everything else is better. Regards Max |
Originally Posted by Jet Jockey A4
(Post 10590765)
You must be working for a very bad company. Lets face it, there are a lot of Operators in G/A one wouldn´t want to work for. And then there are really good ones. My bosses are in this category IMHO. So its not all gloom and doom "over here". I had times were I regretted to be not an airliner, nowadays I´m very very satisfied with not being one. Others see it the other way round. |
As has been said - some good corporate operators and some bad. Mine is fine for me, but I can see why others (with more family/social orientated commitments) prefer a stable roster. Mine gives me the flex to do other things both inside and outside aviation so the reasonable salary I receive from the corporate job is supplemented by 'bits and pieces' from elsewhere for doing what is essentially my hobby!
Can't complain (nobody listens anyway! ;) ) |
nobody listens anyway! |
>>> It also means that any jet owners strapped for cash <<<
Not only the owners but the young pilots ! Having an overdraft the size of a decent mortgage means they will go where the money is.The first priority is to pay the debt off as soon as possible. As many have said it's not specifically wanting flying hours. We will soon be back to the situation, as in the past, where all airlines pay for your training and type rating, uniform, hotel and duty expenses, medicals, renewals, as well as paid time off for licence upgrades ; maybe even Full Firm or ID 90s again ! Leo Hairy Camel, eat your heart out ! Then, being a commercial pilot may have some appeal again. |
Personally I prefer the stability of an airline ( roster wise ), but it’s not as interesting as some of the corporate stuff I did.
what currently puts me off GA is the fact it is becoming an easy target for Greta and her friends, and I bet the public listens because they either do t understand GA or would be jealous of those that can access private jets |
Hello!
Originally Posted by His dudeness
(Post 10590862)
>>You must be working for a very bad company.
He is. Or maybe was. But he stayed there for quite a few years. The company was TU (went from IIRC 9 to 2 A/C) recently and has now been taken over by another operator.
Originally Posted by His dudeness
(Post 10590862)
Lets face it, there are a lot of Operators in G/A one wouldn´t want to work for. And then there are really good ones.
Regards Max (*) I am directly employed by the aircraft owner mainly for his corporate flying needs. The plane however is placed under an AOC and some of the flying is for their customers. So I know both - corporate flying (good) and broker/charter flying (bad)... |
Spoilt
Used to do occasional 17 day trips in Swissair...average 12 nights home a month some years....VC 10 was known as the magical mystery tour as you never knew where you would end up and when...
Then again we had to be pilots and not computer operators so wasnt all bad. |
Well, not being home every night proves to be vital to the sanity of my wife. To quote her: nothing worse than a pilot not flying for a few days. Look, your job in said company was quite different from mine, I did 600+ hrs with 48 min average leg time in 213 duty days on 4 types (illegal!) as deputy DO. I always flew weekends, because the clown playing DO lived 400 klicks away and „needed to have a social live“. Mine was apparentely not all that important...several off requests vanished unexplained. Until I made Mr. & Mrs.office sign a copy. Etcetc. so there is 2 sides of the same coin. |
Never understood the appeal of bizav Nice, shiny equipment but small and cramped, I’ve got several friends that have flown everything from private citations to vip 777 and I can’t believe what they have to put up with From ridiculously long duty days and carrying passenger bags to emptying the aircraft toilet, always being on call and in many cases having to comply with whatever the owner wants you to do I don’t know how they attract any pilots The airline experience (reputable ones) is infinitely better |
That is just your opinion.
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