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Kibathepilot 13th Apr 2019 12:37

Netjets Europe/Vistajet Gateways
 
Hi everyone, first of all sorry if this is in the wrong place its my first post on this forum so not sure if it is.
I was just wondering about the gateway system used by NJE and Vistajet and how this works in regards to a pilot being able to change gateways?
I was thinking of applying to them but was wondering how often if would be possible to change your gateway airport as I may have to move a bit due to family.
Is it the same as an airlines base where you stay there for at least a year really or can you change whenever needed and whenever your willing to relocate?

My other question was in regards to moving I know both of these companies have worldwide operations and was wondering if I had to move to Australia due to family once again
would it be possible to swap to a division down there even if it meant changing licence authorities?

Apologies if these are two really stupid questions.

Thanks,
Kiba

tomuchwork 15th Apr 2019 20:42

I can only write for Vista, at least as it was some years ago(till I managed to leave this outfit):

Proceeding base is usually in your contract(!!) which means officially it is not really easy to change. Why? For instance inside the EU your base will be then used for tax deductions, e.g. Italian base, Italian tax and social contributions and so on. You see already, not an easy thing to change bases.
Same goes for moving "outside" the EU - then it is your responsibility to follow tax laws(most just do that offshore thing which is quiet a dangerous gamble nowadays). I KNOW of some guys living in Asia(KUL if I remember right) and the company proceeded him in and out of there. BUT he was a big company man, checking if everyone is REALLY having the cheapest possible proceeding back home and such BS - so the company did him a return favour for making his collegues life miserable. I guess he is still there....

BUT - he was not a registed in Malaysia, had bank account and flat on his local girlfriends name(she stole some of his money as well). On his own he could not be based in KUL. Basically he was a tourist for the local authorities(as he left every month for duty there was no issue with that, immigration wise. All the rest was "fishy" at best).

As I know Vista they might not object IF you would move to a country that would reduce costs for them(less social contributions, NO tax, etc.) BUT it might be a big problem if you would need for instance to come back to the EU which would in turn, raise their costs again. I doubt they would be happy and cooperative.

So or so - you would be always on your own sorting out things with authorities if outside the EU(inside the EU just a few countries are allowed, e.g. Austria, Italy, I think Spain, UK, Germany and some of BeNELux, maybe Denmark).

License wise there should be no problem. You always work for Vista Malta(VJS, was VJT("Vista Malta") as long as the "original" Austrian Vistajet was still existing, then it moved back to VJS), so no need to change license authorities.

There is(was?) a US "Version" of Vista, they got some of the original aircraft ordered for VJS. Do not know(or care to be honest) if they are still around. Vista US is completely independent and as a VJS pilot you would never fly one of their aircraft(US registered).

Hope that could shed some light on things. However, I want to mention that again, this info is now a couple of years old as I left them as soon as I had a chance to do so(which should make you think ^^).

FlyingBE 15th Apr 2019 21:35

Hi everyone,

Do you have an idea why Gateways are not allowed in France ? I might consider to apply there, but i don't really wish to move from France.

DEEC 16th Apr 2019 07:18

If memory serves me right, there is an issue with taxes and / or social security contributions in France and Belgium. This might shed some light on the entire situation: https://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-f...ml#post7464501

Miserable Old Git 16th Apr 2019 09:37

Net jets has gateways. This is the airport where you start and finish work. Usually, but not always, this involves an airline to where your aircraft is. Coming home is the same. The company will get you back to your gateway by 2359 on the last day of your tour. You can change gateway if you wish. It’s not a big deal.

Miserable Old Git 16th Apr 2019 09:40

Oh, the French gateways we’re closed due to the very high rates of NI payments the company had to make. The same may be true for Belgium, but I’m not sure

733driver 16th Apr 2019 18:38


Originally Posted by Miserable Old Git (Post 10448655)
Oh, the French gateways were closed due to the very high rates of NI payments the company had to make. The same may be true for Belgium, but Im not sure

I think we both know that wasn't the real reason. The real reason is a very dark part of NetJets' history but perhaps best not discussed on here.

FlyingBE 18th Apr 2019 20:38

Thank you guys for your answers :) !

I won't consider to be based in Europe somewhere else than home. I've the incredible chance and lux today to fly the 320 based at home, and I won't give it up, because NJE ou VJT are just too scary about the Union or what ever tax system lol. Is a shame because I would LOVE to try Bizjet industry.

Aso 19th Apr 2019 07:40


Originally Posted by FlyingBE (Post 10450767)
Thank you guys for your answers :) !

I won't consider to be based in Europe somewhere else than home. I've the incredible chance and lux today to fly the 320 based at home, and I won't give it up, because NJE ou VJT are just too scary about the Union or what ever tax system lol. Is a shame because I would LOVE to try Bizjet industry.

Your reply is a bit like somebody who never drove a Ford giving a review over a Ford then? It is clear that you have no idea about the industry with all it's good and bad sides :confused:

To be clear: NJE and VJT are not scared by the French tax system but very annoyed as France lives in a different world and so are the majority of pilots and aircraft owners hence the majority of airlines (both commercial and business aviation) try to stay out of France....

Miserable Old Git 27th Apr 2019 15:27

Hi again Kiba,

Just to be sure you understand: To work for Netjets Europe, you need the right to live and work in the EU, an EU ATPL and to live within one hour of one of the European Gateways.


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