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JayWJr 18th Dec 2018 14:11

Single crossing the pond
 
I know there’s lots of experience out there, but just wanting some advice for a single turboprop ferry crossing the Atlantic from Europe across Iceland and Greenland to the USA IN December or January.

Any tips would be appreciated. Fuel stops, best way to get charts, required equipment, rafts, dry suit, European rules, communications etc.

EatMyShorts! 18th Dec 2018 21:05

Whatever you do, do NOT ask Robert Weaver for advice. He will probably provide you with a flightplan made in Microsoft FSX :D

JayWJr 19th Dec 2018 00:23

Single crossing the pond
 
Thanks EMS.
Ok Mr. Weaver, what advice do you have that EMS doesn’t want us to hear?

HawkerMarie 19th Dec 2018 05:01

In answer to your question about taking a single turbo prop across the Atlantic in Jan / Feb - if you haven't done a crossing before as a minimum take a safety pilot with you who has. I took my PC12 to Canada from Europe a couple of years ago in the summer (August) going UK - Iceland - Greenland (Narsarsuaq) - Goose Bay / Canada, and in height of summer it was a 'challenging' trip, then this year bought a CJ back the other way in Jan,and scared the daylights out of me, weather can change quickly. You will need survival suits, liferafts, HF radio - Far North Aviation in Wick hire all that stuff, and you can drop it in Goose Bay. All other planning requirements can be found in Jepps manuals. In summarry taking a single across in winter months - you need to know what you are doing and have done it before - good luck.

dc9-32 19th Dec 2018 05:19

HF radio is not mandatory.... careful and accurate planning is !

Daifly 19th Dec 2018 09:11

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EatMyShorts! 19th Dec 2018 10:41


Originally Posted by JayWJr (Post 10338938)
Thanks EMS.
Ok Mr. Weaver, what advice do you have that EMS doesn’t want us to hear?

Sorry, I forgot to add this link: https://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-f...rry-pilot.html

breakdip 19th Dec 2018 11:57


avionimc 19th Dec 2018 14:22

Interesting video. Instead, I suggest the first fuel stop at EGPC (very helpful people at Far North , great service and facilities). Then, first overnight stop at BIRK, hotel is just across from the the FBO. Get a room with view on the ramp:ok:

FlyXLsa 19th Dec 2018 19:29

Insurance costs could be very high without a professional ferry pilot.

Miles Magister 21st Dec 2018 11:51

I used to be a long range Search and Rescue pilot. I flew too many trips looking for people who tried to ferry small aircraft across the pond. I think most of them were probably people who tried to do it themselves rather than pay a grown up.

Stay safe, experience is gained just after you really needed it. Use someone else's.

MM

JayWJr 21st Dec 2018 13:08

Very good advice Miles. The only real international experience I have is bringing a King Air 350 from Japan across Russia and Canada back to the USA.
My 16000 hours of mostly turboprop, corporate, medevac, freight, charter and commuter airline time has taught me that it’s safer to ask questions ahead of time than to just assume you can do it without knowing all of the details. I’ve heard rumors about North Atlantic winter weather but specific details are a must in smaller single turboprops with less range.


SThor 3rd Jan 2019 07:25


Originally Posted by JayWJr (Post 10341468)
Very good advice Miles. The only real international experience I have is bringing a King Air 350 from Japan across Russia and Canada back to the USA.
My 16000 hours of mostly turboprop, corporate, medevac, freight, charter and commuter airline time has taught me that it’s safer to ask questions ahead of time than to just assume you can do it without knowing all of the details. I’ve heard rumors about North Atlantic winter weather but specific details are a must in smaller single turboprops with less range.

This gentleman had 26000+ hours total http://www.rnsa.is/media/1273/ntsb_report.pdf and was the second to ditch in February 2008 near Iceland, never found of course.

Be careful and be safe, which sometimes means ‘don’t go’...


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