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josephfeatherweight 12th Nov 2018 02:36

RAFAT - sorry to hear, but I applaud your stance.
The key word in what i said was "everyone".

His dudeness 12th Nov 2018 10:07


Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight (Post 10308693)
I can assure you that ANY aircraft owner that owns an aircraft requiring a type rating can afford to pay for that type rating for the right individual - if they can't then they actually can't afford their toy...

You are dead wrong here. Thats exactly how many of em made their fortune. Do I need to explain Marx ?

Anyhuw, the "best" people in the trade are aircraft managers who take the T/R coming with an airplane and sell them to the crew.

And "everyone" ? Never happened, never will. Ask yourself, how Mr.O`Leary manages to keep his little exploitation scheme going ? Humans are overwhelmingly stupid when part of a mass....

josephfeatherweight 12th Nov 2018 22:10


And "everyone" ? Never happened, never will. Ask yourself, how Mr.O`Leary manages to keep his little exploitation scheme going ? Humans are overwhelmingly stupid when part of a mass....
Yeah, I know - hence my "Think what the world would be like..."
Just some unrealistic optimism! :ok:

His dudeness 13th Nov 2018 08:56


Just some unrealistic optimism!
I knew it, a bloody optimist ! Get lost !!! :)

Aso 14th Nov 2018 08:22


Quote:
Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gifI can assure you that ANY aircraft owner that owns an aircraft requiring a type rating can afford to pay for that type rating for the right individual - if they can't then they actually can't afford their toy...
You are dead wrong here. Thats exactly how many of em made their fortune. Do I need to explain Marx ?
Spot on :D:D:D

CaptainProp 7th Dec 2018 12:11

IJM looking for rated G650 captain, 18/12 roster and they’re really offering an amazing package of €7000!!! Don’t step on eachother as you’re trying to get through the door for that interview!

#thisindustryisfd

Good luck!

CP

Deep and fast 7th Dec 2018 17:56


Originally Posted by CaptainProp (Post 10330270)
IJM looking for rated G650 captain, 18/12 roster and they’re really offering an amazing package of €7000!!! Don’t step on eachother as you’re trying to get through the door for that interview!

#thisindustryisfd

Good luck!

CP

Thats not even Embraer Legacy 650 money...

Globally Challenged 8th Dec 2018 04:13

It’s not much more than my RHS CL605 compensation ...

McMax 8th Dec 2018 07:58

Atm there are a minimum of 5 European companies looking for G650 FOs and on top of that a couple of Cpt positions need to be filled. And that‘s just Europe!
I just hope nobody accepts an offer like that... absolutely no need, there are better options available.

His dudeness 8th Dec 2018 11:08


Originally Posted by McMax (Post 10330868)
I just hope nobody accepts an offer like that...

To say it with Aerosmith: Dream on.

McMax 8th Dec 2018 11:48


Originally Posted by His dudeness (Post 10331002)
To say it with Aerosmith: Dream on.

Two Austrian operators are hiring (a couple of weeks ago)and paying more for an FO...
There is no excuse for someone to sign on the dotted lign under those conditions!

WanderingAround 19th Dec 2018 20:45


Originally Posted by CaptainProp (Post 10330270)
IJM looking for rated G650 captain, 18/12 roster and they’re really offering an amazing package of €7000!!! Don’t step on eachother as you’re trying to get through the door for that interview!

#thisindustryisfd

Good luck!

CP

The key word here is "offering". If you are a normal person and can negotiate, the salary can quickly go up to 10-12k and don't forget that on an Austrian contract you get your salary 14 times per year.

Aso 20th Dec 2018 11:05

7K that is the day rate, right? :}

Private jet 20th Dec 2018 13:26


Originally Posted by His dudeness (Post 10308952)
And "everyone" ? Never happened, never will. Ask yourself, how Mr.O`Leary manages to keep his little exploitation scheme going ? Humans are overwhelmingly stupid when part of a mass....

I believe in psychology there is a well known principle. The "Wolf's dilemma".

bafanguy 28th Jun 2019 09:03

Article about an interview with the head of a well known US corp pilot headhunter:

"Quickly to the subject at hand, she confirms the shortage is real, causing major disruptions within business-aviation flight departments, altering careers and 'is the No. 1 topic in every pilot lounge'.”

"Ultimately, she would like to see a national pilot training academy established with rigorous standards and financed by the aviation industry."


https://www.apiaviation.com/recruite...ilot-shortage/

His dudeness 29th Jun 2019 07:55

Meanwhile I get a call from a call center, doing a survey on behalft of GAMA (IIRC), how would you like a single crew cockpit in your - 25 aircraft ?

Dead silence on my end.... "helllllloooo?" - "you realize you´re talking to a pilot".... "Umhhyeah, but we´d put up data link and have experienced pilots available 24H to help"... "allright, were do you get experienced pilots, who wanna sit in a box, apart maybe from medically disqualified ones and where do you get EXPERIENCED people from after the last 2 man cokcpit is gone ?" Dead silence on their end.

This shortage (who apparently exists in the US, over here there is none) is the last time, the pilots can get something outta their jobs. Aviation - jobwise - will be dead as a dodo in a few years. Ask the checkin folks, excuse the FORMER check in people. Loaders will be gone next and then flight crew. Last to retire will be SAFA/FAA-Checker....maybe time to sent a CV...

flyboyike 29th Jun 2019 11:34


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10504609)
"Ultimately, she would like to see a national pilot training academy established with rigorous standards and financed by the aviation industry."

That gave me a chuckle. They can't even agree on a national curriculum, let alone an actual academy.

bafanguy 29th Jun 2019 13:07


Originally Posted by flyboyike (Post 10505409)
That gave me a chuckle. They can't even agree on a national curriculum, let alone an actual academy.

Yes, it would be a tall order. And the US airlines are not terribly interested in spending money on something like that since they haven't needed to...ever...and won't in the future either. The airline sector of US aviation would likely have to be the major contributor.


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