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Miserable Old Git 20th Aug 2018 15:44

Netjets Europe Conditions
 
With the announcement by Netjets Europe of the recruitment of 50 first officers, this should help out with many of your questions:

https://www.kuraaviation.com/docs/Ne...FAQ%202018.pdf

If you are interested, apply here:

https://www.kuraaviation.com/netjets/

Sarah Juliana 3rd Sep 2018 02:36

RE: Any known upcoming positions for Flight Attendants/Inflight Representatives?
 
Hope it's ok to post here - just wondering if you may know of any of the above mentioned positions coming up? A requirement for more First Officers makes me think there possibly will be?

Any information would be gratefully received.

Kind regards, Sarah

redsnail 3rd Sep 2018 12:13

There's a round of interviews happening at the moment. Don't wait for an announcement, go to the NetJets website and apply online. Make sure you apply to Europe and not the US (unless of course, you want the US site). Think carefully about what you put on your application, in other words, don't rush to fill it in.
If you know someone on the inside so to speak, have a chat to them.

https://jobsite.netjetseurope.com/se...Sociedad=0001#

AFrotary 3rd Sep 2018 20:00


Originally Posted by redsnail (Post 10240173)
There's a round of interviews happening at the moment. Don't wait for an announcement, go to the NetJets website and apply online. Make sure you apply to Europe and not the US (unless of course, you want the US site). Think carefully about what you put on your application, in other words, don't rush to fill it in.
If you know someone on the inside so to speak, have a chat to them.

https://jobsite.netjetseurope.com/se...Sociedad=0001#

Can you tell anything about the pilot requirements at Netjets? Are they inviting tons of people for a few positions or are they actually struggling to get enough candidates?

redsnail 3rd Sep 2018 21:53

All I know is that there's 50 FO positions available. As for the number and quality of applicants I don't know. Kura's handling the recruitment. My response you quoted was for Sarah as she was asking about Flight Attendant/ISR positions.
The advice of being careful what you write, think about who you're applying to and what you can bring to the table so to speak. If you're in private aviation, you'll know that our job is a lot more than just flying. :) The above links should help. :)

I must warn, if you are looking for a fast upgrade, NetJets is not the place.

EatMyShorts! 4th Sep 2018 09:55

If you are looking for a lot of money, it won't be your place either.

shithappens 22nd Sep 2018 19:22

If you are looking for a pension it is not the place either, you will not get a viable one at NetJets, so count on putting pension investment money aside from any salary offered. What they offer is a gross salary, it is up to employees to cover pension from that sum.

dirk85 22nd Sep 2018 20:04

So itís not the company for career prospects, money, or pension, and history of redundancies... I fail to understand why anyone would consider this job if you guys put it like this.

For the good training and the half decent roster? That doesnt cut it I am afraid.

shithappens 22nd Sep 2018 20:22

The advert did state that upgrade was expected within 6 years on the document that I read from NetJets, however I do not know how the company can predict this, given the number of Command ready First Officers waiting for upgrade since more than ten years already. As Dirk and others say: don’t join NetJets expecting a quick upgrade, a decent salary, or a pension worthy of that name. They are offering 6 on, 5 off and that is the main incentive.

Bottom line:look around. Do not get tricked by the salary, look at the package value. That means looking at the TOTAL COST OF EMPLOYMENT, not the salary. NetJets is social phobic, this means that if they offer you 100€, the cost to NetJets is circa €115. If Lufthansa pays you 100€, the cost to them is closer to 200€, Check it out. You get what your employer pays for and it is important to look at this for you long term security (social protection, healthcare, unemployment cover, long term sickness and pension). NetJets offers a low salary, with a below minimum social protection package. If you join, then do so because you don’t care about social protection, want the 6/5 lifestyle and don’t need the money.

Marlon Brando 25th Sep 2018 11:32

When i started aviation, less than a decade ago, Netjets was my dream job, my goal.
it has changed. It's a pilot market now, but Netjets's T&C are pretty bad actually. I didn't even applied

i'm talking about Netjets EU.
USA is pretty good

Miserable Old Git 25th Sep 2018 15:05

AFrotary - We are receiving applications, if you are interested, you should apply. We are not struggling to recruit, just looking for good people :)

redsnail - You are absolutly correct. A fast upgrade is not possible. Projections are for the current FOs in the company to be upgraded in 6-8 years time. Obviously, the new guys and girls would be just behind them. As with any businesses, it all depends on market conditions.

EatMyShorts! - I've been in aviation for 30 years, I am comfortable, but you are correct, you won't make a lot of money being a pilot - those days are long gone. I'm not sure what 'a lot' is though. Can you tell me? 66,300 after two years is not bad IMO.

shithappens - The pension for UK based pilots is OK, unless you know otherwise. The EU one has some issues due to stupid tax rules and is being looked at with some vigor by management. Perhaps you know something else? Please let us know.

dirk85 - You also fail to understand the majority of pilots who work for us. Times are good and there are jobs around, but we have not seen a big increase in churn. Yes, there is an increase, but nothing unexpected. If the company was that bad, why do so many work here? Personally, I am very happy at Netjets and have no interest in driving a bus behind an armoured door. I managed to disconnect ego and aircraft size some time ago and enjoy the challenge of our operation and the interaction with our pax, some of whom are very interesting people.

Overall, I feel well paid (could be more of course), I enjoy the flying as it is not boring, the family medical cover is excellent and the new management seems to be listening to the concerns of all employees. The introduction of the SFO rank is a good example of how long term FOs are being rewarded for their service.

EatMyShorts! 25th Sep 2018 18:55


Originally Posted by Miserable Old Git (Post 10258028)
EatMyShorts! - I've been in aviation for 30 years, I am comfortable, but you are correct, you won't make a lot of money being a pilot - those days are long gone. I'm not sure what 'a lot' is though. Can you tell me? 66,300 after two years is not bad IMO.

It is pretty bad. Because you don't join NJE with a least 4 years of experience. Elsewhere you can make a lot more in the second year, e.g. Easyjet 90k. The reasoning that you work less here, compared with the airlines, does not hold up anymore, since we have been working like crazy in the last 2, 3 years. If people in bloody cheap Eurowings make more money than us, then something is wrong! And if you want to make big bucks you go and work for the airlines in China: 300k a year.

The pension in the UK is a shame. I have been paying my social contributions in the UK in excess of 10 years now, still the maximum retirement pay/pension will be 159 pounds per week. Can't even go shopping with this.

Klimax 26th Sep 2018 11:13


Originally Posted by Marlon Brando (Post 10257845)
When i started aviation, less than a decade ago, Netjets was my dream job, my goal.
it has changed. It's a pilot market now, but Netjets's T&C are pretty bad actually. I didn't even applied

i'm talking about Netjets EU.
USA is pretty good

I would have to concur to this. The 6/5 roster, the training and the ops support is really the only thing speaking in NJE favor. The salary (Captain and F/O) is not appealing. Go Jet Aviation, Tag Aviation and even Global Jet and you on a much better pay deal. It's a shame. NJE will defo not be able to attract the best talents (unless they take absolute rookies and train them for the next 10 years).

Professor Plum 26th Sep 2018 15:01

Hi all,

Can anyone kindly say say what the pension is for a uk based pilot? I,e how much the company/employee contributes?

sadly not in a position to apply now (Iím military with a few years to go), but the 6/5 and variety is appealing. Itís not just about purely the money for me. Though it always helps!!

Many thanks.

EatMyShorts! 26th Sep 2018 17:40

At this time most, if not all, UK based crew members are taking part in Scottish Widows. Others are taking part in another pension scheme, which is currently under review. The company pays 50% of what you put in, up to 6500 EUR a year. Not so great.

Globally Challenged 26th Sep 2018 21:33


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 10259107)
At this time most, if not all, UK based crew members are taking part in Scottish Widows. Others are taking part in another pension scheme, which is currently under review. The company pays 50% of what you put in, up to 6500 EUR a year. Not so great.

TAG only pay 5%, private Medical not as good, LOL is not included with many (or maybe most) aircraft.

I used to to be at NJE and would love to return having taken VSP - but the salary is the same as it was 10 years ago and I canít afford to take such a hit to also sit the RHS for 6-8 years.

A shame as I really liked it.

EatMyShorts! 26th Sep 2018 21:49

Yes, the real alternative is going to the airlines, preferably in the Far East (for the money, not for fun) or look for a good owner. But you never know what you really get and you may be out of a job after a year or two.

The good news is: the less people are willing to join NJE, the better the package will be that the company will have to offer to all of us.

Klimax 26th Sep 2018 21:53


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 10259304)
Yes, the real alternative is going to the airlines, preferably in the Far East (for the money, not for fun) or look for a good owner. But you never know what you really get and you may be out of a job after a year or two.

The good news is: the less people are willing to join NJE, the better the package will be that the company will have to offer to all of us.

You've got to be dreaming. NJE is like the airline of the corporate jet world. They do what a lot of the established airlines do - lower the entry requirements until they've filled their slots. What I'm saying is - don't hold your breath for that!. Sorry.

Globally Challenged 26th Sep 2018 22:27


Originally Posted by Klimax (Post 10259309)
You've got to be dreaming. NJE is like the airline of the corporate jet world. They do what a lot of the established airlines do - lower the entry requirements until they've filled their slots. What I'm saying is - don't hold your breath for that!. Sorry.

Unfortunately agreed.

EatMyShorts! 26th Sep 2018 22:30

I will hold my breath. Trust me.


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