Anyone that has been through the last selection process fancy shedding some light on the “crew capacity test” Thanks |
No idea what it is. The word 'Eagle' gets banded about. Sorry, can't help more than that
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If there is any NJE pilot who is using VIE (LOWW) as gateway and is willing to answer a couple of my questions please PM me. I would appreciate that very much.
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NJE is a strange one. Personally, I'd love to work for them but the salary just doesn't cut it. When they opened up recruitment I seriously considered applying and I currently have command in a UK based LOCO.
They can't preach to want to recruit 'the best' and offer such poor pay scales. |
Out of interest, what salary are they offering new hires ? |
First Officer (FO): EUR 58,500 - until the completion of 24 months of
employment, EUR 66,300 onwards As mentioned on the other thread? |
You’re right seven3heaven!
when I started my flight training, NJE was the company I wanted to work for one day! They are happily taking the experience, actually asking if you have NAT/ETOPS/VIP experience! I don’t mind sitting in the right seat of a Phenom 300, but at least pay me according to my previous experience. Sounds like a job for young pilots with the required minimum of hours. |
A pilots job
10 years of great adventure. I left to try something different. Was it perfect? Never is. Mostly good people- band of brothers. 6/5 party time! If you're up for an adventure and good times, go for it! You'll be a very complete pilot, no airline bordeom. Salary if you can live in eastern or southern europe - party! Don`t know whether they still use the "gateways".
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Gateways are still used, but the French and Belgium ones have gone |
All the info here: https://www.kuraaviation.com/docs/Ne...FAQ%202018.pdf |
Any NJE pilot with experience with paying Social Security in Austria PM pls. Highly appreciated.
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Netjets vs airlines
A question at the Netjets pilots:
After a carreer at the airforce I’m ready to transition to civil aviation. My main reasons to leave the airforce are work-life balance and stability. Having the choice between Netjets and a LCC, what would you recommend me to do? |
LCC all day long. Rapid upgrade and the RHS income at pretty much any LCC will far exceed NJE |
Yes, the aggregated long term difference in salary would be enormous. Home every night too (more or less), for the work/life balance.
Biz jet operators really need to do something about the pay levels. Only in the US is VIP/corporate now a sensible career choice. |
Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
(Post 10306159)
Yes, the aggregated long term difference in salary would be enormous. Home every night too (more or less), for the work/life balance.
Biz jet operators really need to do something about the pay levels. Only in the US is VIP/corporate now a sensible career choice. Bear in mind, I’m a the biz jet pilot myself so I’m not writing this as a 121 pilot recruiter, just relaying what’s going on in the US side of the pond. I have a green card but as I have no intention of moving back to the US I’m staying at my rotational BBJ gig. |
Originally Posted by FlyTCI
(Post 10306224)
There is an enormous exodus of talent leaving biz jets going to the airlines in the US (similar to what’s heppening in Europe, only to a larger extent) and the brain drain currently happening is a major issue in regards to safety in that part of the industry. Some biz jet operators are aware of this and try to catch up, but they keep falling short.
That's the impression I've gotten from the bits & pieces I read about biz av in the US. The question I have is whether the owners are willing to abandon the luxury of corporate airplanes rather than do (pay) what it takes to attract and retain the desired level of pilots and talent. Is there a central clearinghouse of accurate info about how the biz av industry is actually dealing with this vs commentary about what they're thinking ? |
Originally Posted by bafanguy
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FlyTCI,
That's the impression I've gotten from the bits & pieces I read about biz av in the US. The question I have is whether the owners are willing to abandon the luxury of corporate airplanes rather than do (pay) what it takes to attract and retain the desired level of pilots and talent. |
Originally Posted by bafanguy
(Post 10306262)
FlyTCI,
That's the impression I've gotten from the bits & pieces I read about biz av in the US. The question I have is whether the owners are willing to abandon the luxury of corporate airplanes rather than do (pay) what it takes to attract and retain the desired level of pilots and talent. Is there a central clearinghouse of accurate info about how the biz av industry is actually dealing with this vs commentary about what they're thinking ? I’m member of a US based pilot web forum whose members were probably 95% corporate pilots a couple of years ago. Over the last two years a very high number of them, even those flying G’s, Globals, BBJs and so on are crowding the exit doors to “start over” as FOs on everything from the ULLC’s to SWA, the legacy carriers and UPS/FedEx. Due to many of them having been long time in the biz jet part of aviation there’s a wealth of knowledge of just about every biz jet operator out there, and hence it’s quite easy to find out what various operators are offering and when they improve conditions. Funny enough the first company to foresee this and acted to retain their pilots by offering significantly better contracts was WalMart about two years ago. I believe the number for a LR60 captain is/was close to $200k, better pension contribution and with more days off than they had before. Despite this sizeable increase they still cannot compete with the airlines long term though. The main reasons why some choose to stay corporate is the to not wanting to move/commute to a base, or they are too old to make the move. There will be, and has to some extent already happened, operators on the lower part of the ladder who have been forced to close due to not being able to staff their planes. So far this is mainly in the 135 world, but my guess this will eventually start to heppen in the 91 world too. They don’t mind spening loads of money on their doctors or lawyers, but the have been so spoilt over the last 20 years or so by the access to cheap pilots that they will refuse to pay what it takes. Those are obviously the kind of people you don’t want to work for anyways, so I say good riddance. |
Does NJE only hire F/Os ? I am a Falcon 50/900 TRE. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by AFrotary
(Post 10306082)
A question at the Netjets pilots:
After a carreer at the airforce I’m ready to transition to civil aviation. My main reasons to leave the airforce are work-life balance and stability. Having the choice between Netjets and a LCC, what would you recommend me to do? Big jet = Ego boost + more comfortable. One of the best part of the NJE deal is the roster. It's 6 on, 5 off and given to you 6 weeks in advance. It cannot be changed without your permission except during training or if you are on a disciplinary. For me, that's more important than the money, but I know other people have different priorities. There is no home standby unless it's on one of your on days - off means off. You may volunteer to work extra days as many of my colleagues do. You will be paid between 600 - 800 euros ish if you do one. For me personally, the thought of flying backwards and forwards to the same airports every day behind an armoured door would bore me rigid. I have never been bored flying with NJE, but if more money than we offer, fast promotion and a big jet is something you want, it's not the right place for you. If you want varied and interesting flying tours, to work for a very professional company, some manual and visual flying into special airports, contact with customers and to actually get to know the people you work with, I think it's a good job. Not for everyone though. |
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