Another question for PBN
 

Hello

The deadline for EU is 25 of Aug. this year and question is what if I do not have licence endorsement until that time ?
If I declare non RNAV at the flight plan is it ok to go ? or that requirement is only linked to RNAV approaches ?

https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33...ice2017034.pdf

May I ask you at which CAE centre did you do your recurrent last week?

Its an online course how big of a deal is it not to just do it?

Since now not just an online course, but endorsemet to IR. So rating for example would be SpaceShuttle/IR/PBN.

That's when the CAA issue it, the TRE for revalidation has to write /PBN to show that he has tested you to keep it valid.

Im not really up to date with all this to be honest as I dont fly under my EASA licence at present and haven't done for a while. Although I do keep my TR current on it. I remember when I did my Recurrent in FSI in Feb, the examiner wrote a statement on the check ride form saying something like 'he had completed approaches/PBN etc' (really cant remember what the exact statement was) Has anyone else had that? I asked am I good to go on PBN etc, he said yes. To be honest, it was all new to me as I've been out of europe.

Don’t worry, you lose the LV bit when they stick the PBN on.

You actually get both. I have in the renewal endorsement section of my license: TYPE/IR/LV/PBN

As of a few weeks ago the UK CAA issued a notice to say that there is no further requirement to put the "LV" on the licence and that the onus will be on the operator to prove LV training if necessary. So future licence endorsements will simply be "TYPE**/IR/PBN"

Source: CAE UK

Good to know.

Must be very new, or my examiner not up to date, because I did my renewal mid March and it was as I wrote, on my UK license.

I've got /IR/LV/PBN as well. I guess they can still put /LV even if it's not mandatory. It makes sense to have it in case you get ramp checked in fog..

The notice was issued 15th March, effective 15th March. Nothing like a bit of advance warning.

But like a lot of things, there was never any requirement for /LV to be on your licence, it was just the CAA complicating things. It has always been an operator requirement. Similarly, the regulation about PBN specifically states that it is a logbook endorsement. The CAA putting it on the licence are just adding unnecessary confusion.

Not only in UK, France also.
I have just asked to have it endorsed on my license. Grand Father rights from GNSS, otherwise they said that the deadline was in 2020. Whatever , I shall receive my new license soon ( strikes depending)

Well, i'm guessing (only a guess mind) that should it have become apparent, then any CAA involvement would have most likely looked at your training records to confirm that (whilst not annotated as such) you had indeed completed LVO training. And perhaps a few words on the back of that. A SAFA/SANA inspection however would have perhaps been more 'lively' in findings I would think ;-(.

Everybody talks about PBN as an endorsement to be added to the IR rating, which will be mandatory after 25 August 2020.

What about the aircraft then? If I have an aircraft not approved for PBN operations, can I still fly under IFR after 25 August 2020. (let’s suppose as a pilot I am PBN endorsed but I need to fly my PA28 which is not PBN approved)

Where can I find regulation regarding aircraft minimum equipment for IFR to know what to do after August 25?

thank you