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Ian Corrigible 3rd Mar 2018 19:27

Global 6000 'ZS-OAK' sought after Guptas default on loan
 
Canada lent a family $41 million to buy a luxury jet. Now the jet is missing.


If you spot a sleek Bombardier Global 6000 business jet sporting tail number ZS-OAK, Canada would love to hear from you.

The jet belonged to South Africa's notorious Gupta family, whose alleged corruption helped trigger the scandals that recently forced President Jacob Zuma out of office. But the Guptas bought the plane with help from a $41 million loan from Export Development Canada, or EDC, Canada's state-owned export-import bank.

EDC was helping Bombardier Inc., the Canadian aerospace firm, land the jet sale. But that turns out to have been a poor bet: EDC now says the family defaulted on the loan in October and still owes the bank $27 million.

And with an arrest warrant outstanding for Ajay Gupta, one of three brothers in the family, there are other worries, too. “There is a very real concern that the aircraft may be used to escape justice or for some unlawful means,” wrote EDC in a recent application to a South African court seeking permission to ground the jet.

atakacs 3rd Mar 2018 20:50

Well I don't see how they could get maintenance for it anymore.
If it can't fly what's the point of keeping it?!

horatio_b 3rd Mar 2018 21:26

This article suggests it may be in St Petersburg where it landed in early February 2018:

https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...ussia-20180207

supportteam 4th Mar 2018 17:02

Left Moscow on Feb 11 heading south according to our network.

CYKFRotor 4th Mar 2018 19:22

Last I heard it was parked in Dubai and is now on the move

supportteam 4th Mar 2018 19:28

Didn't get that far south on the 11th and not seen since AFAIK.

jack11111 4th Mar 2018 23:51

I wonder if the crew is getting their pay up front. I hope so. Also imagine whoever sell them fuel will do likewise.

TWT 5th Mar 2018 03:07

This indicates it left the UAE last Saturday 3rd March ( unlikely to be accurate and true, of course)

https://real.flightairmap.com/flightid/55933018

2 years ago, it flew from Dubai to India and landed near Nakur : https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...india-20160411

Could it have been headed to India very recently ?
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supportteam 5th Mar 2018 12:56

If someone wants to take a wheel clamp to Dubai Int reckon he should be there in about an hour , ex Mumbai !

CYKFRotor 5th Mar 2018 15:05


Originally Posted by supportteam (Post 10073464)
If someone wants to take a wheel clamp to Dubai Int reckon he should be there in about an hour , ex Mumbai !

Got any source on this info?

supportteam 5th Mar 2018 15:32

Yes , data confirmed, have location to within five metres.

atakacs 5th Mar 2018 15:38

I'm asking again: can such a global 6000 kept flight worthy without active involvement of the manufacturer? Seems highly unlikely

DirtyProp 5th Mar 2018 18:13

A 41 million loan with no collateral? Seriously?? How do I apply?

TWT 5th Mar 2018 19:04


Got any source on this info?
https://corporatejetinvestor.com/art...-in-dubai-879/

galaxy flyer 5th Mar 2018 20:58

Atakacs.

Yes, for awhile it can be, especially if they have a tech onboard, as happens. For awhile longer, if you don’t care.

GF

EDLB 6th Mar 2018 02:00

Why don’t they involve an effective REPO company. Will cost some money but in this part of the world there is additional money flow needed to get, what you wan’t.

supportteam 6th Mar 2018 06:21

Not my source , my post was a few hours ahead of the article and in real time , but CJI details are pretty accurate.

Piltdown Man 6th Mar 2018 08:14

What value does a plane have that no longer has manufacturer support, has an undocumented flight history, is unregistered and potentially has unrecorded maintenance? If the repo men get their hands on this and it returns to the air, would you fly in it? And which muppet in the EDC signed this off? He probably went to the same school as Mark Carney.

PM

supportteam 6th Mar 2018 08:37


Originally Posted by Piltdown Man (Post 10074326)
What value does a plane have that no longer has manufacturer support, has an undocumented flight history, is unregistered and potentially has unrecorded maintenance? If the repo men get their hands on this and it returns to the air, would you fly in it? And which muppet in the EDC signed this off? He probably went to the same school as Mark Carney.

PM

Flight "tracking" is only restricted on web based sites which have to comply with FAA BARR requests.
ATC will know where it is and where it has been , so too the private tracking sites.
It doesn't seem to be breaking any aviation laws as such and the flights will no doubt be documented in the log.
Its a mistake to assume its missing or trying to avoid detection. Many a/c are blocked , for many reasons.

I suppose its like having a taxed , insured , MOT'd vehicle [ in the UK ] but having defaulted on the loan payments.
There is nothing to stop the car being driven around until the loan company takes civil action and brings in the clampers.
A nice chunky clamp on the nose wheel and it ain't going anywhere!

supportteam 7th Mar 2018 13:41

For anyone interested in the extent of the BARR list its worth looking at...

.muckroc dot .com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/faa-list-of-blocked-aircraft-barr-listasdi-block-list-34713/

ZS-OAK is not listed as it is a recent addition , however , its just one of thousands!


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