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Bizjet Crash at Teterboro, New Jersey
Reports of a crash near TEB, some say it is a Lear 35.
A small plane crashed into a neighborhood in Carlstadt, New Jersey, while attempting to land at Teterboro Airport on Monday afternoon, according to the FAA. Police said multiple buildings were on fire after the crash, and black smoke was seen rising above the crash site. The FAA said the Learjet 35 was approaching Runway 1 at the airport at 3:30 p.m. when it went down in a residential area about 1/4 mile from the airport. The flight departed from Philadelphia International Airport. "There's nothing really left of the plane at all - you just see the two engines that are burnt up and stuff," one witness said. |
Apparently N452DA, a Lear 35A with two crew onboard doing a circling approach to runway 1 at KTEB.
Wind given by the tower as 360/16G32. The plane checks in about three minutes before the end of this recording: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kt...2017-1900Z.mp3 FlightAware plot: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...830Z/KPHL/KTEB |
N452DA, Lear 35A built in 1981, operated by A&C Big Sky Aviation LLC, Billings, Montana:
http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/...ket/N452DA.jpg |
Eyewitness Instagram reports from Steve Case, AOL founder:
stevecasePlane just crashed trying to land at Teterboro Airport in NJ. Missed runway and landed in adjacent industrial area. Airport closed. judeseeeeOmg. Wow. Hope everyone is ok mark.crudelehey steve its mark at channel 7. do you know if this was a jet or trying to land at teterboro. im at 212.456.3173 or [email protected] chadrockHello @stevecase, I'm a photo editor @nypost. Could we please publish your photo? thezackrsmithhi there. it's zack smith from PIX11. wondering if we may use your photo on our air ny1newsdeskHi, Can NY1 Use your photo on air, we will give you on screen credit of course. stevecaseIt looked like a Learjet. Was trying to land, but missed the turn. Crashed a few hundred yards from airport. stevecaseYes, you may use photo. wcbsdeskHey, @stevecase this is Maryanne with WCBS. May WCBS use this photo with credit to you? waterfaulHi, I’m with ABC News. Is this your photo? Can we use it on all platforms and partners with credit to you? weatherchannelHi @stevecase, did you take this photo? We were wondering if we could have permission to use it on our platforms. Respond with #yesweather if we can. View the terms over at capture.com/terms tomdinkdavismay I use it too? I am NJ editor of Patch.com stevecaseAll are authorized to use my photo stevecaseAirport remains closed. We are sitting on the runway, a few hundred yards from the crash. Fire appears to now be under control. |
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 9772096)
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Could be different crew, radar headings, etc. How would a systems issue as you've speculated go unnoticed?
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I have about 1200 hr. in a Lear 25. My first thought is a yaw damper issue. It was a critical item during landing with the 25 series, don't know if the 35 was as squirrelery as the 25 was with the YD inop or disabled.
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My gut says late turn to final based on the controller's comment about starting the turn. Overshot final, then buttonhooked back towards the runway with overbanking to compensate for the overshoot.
A recipe for disaster. |
There's security camera video of it going in, the third video in this report: 2 Killed When Learjet Crashes In Carlstadt, N.J. « CBS New York
It's hard to tell but it seems to be at a high bank-angle (80-90 degrees) and say 40 degrees nose down. Perhaps consistent with the speculation above? Lots of comments about the wind, many of dubious import, but one obvious observation is that the wind could have caused a misjudgment as to the turn, followed by the overcompensation described above. But speculation is probably pointless; presumably this will be one that the NTSB/FAA can figure out. |
Originally Posted by oyster cracker
(Post 9772220)
I have about 1200 hr. in a Lear 25. My first thought is a yaw damper issue. It was a critical item during landing with the 25 series, don't know if the 35 was as squirrelery as the 25 was with the YD inop or disabled.
One thing that made the Lear 35A squirrelly on landing was fuel in the tip tanks. It seemed the closer you got to the runway the more the roll and yaw axes wanted to couple in this condition.
Originally Posted by AKAAB
(Post 9772223)
My gut says late turn to final based on the controller's comment about starting the turn. Overshot final, then buttonhooked back towards the runway with overbanking to compensate for the overshoot.
About the only other idea would be a flap and/or spoilereron asymmetry when final flaps were selected after the circle, which was actually a dogleg from the runway 6 final course I would think. This plane had Aeronca reversers. I think the other options on the 35A were Dee Howard's and none. Dee Howard's famous thrust reverser sales pitch: 'What's stopping you?' |
Originally Posted by paperHanger
(Post 9772168)
Odd plot ... departure heading 45 degrees off planned track, turn onto the final leg 45 degrees off the other way ... makes me wonder if they had some systems issue as the tracks flown earlier in the week generally appear to be neat and accurate.
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Lots of comments about the wind, many of dubious import, but one obvious observation is that the wind could have caused a misjudgment as to the turn, followed by the overcompensation described above. |
Must be a significant obstacle or airspace problem or there would be at least an RNP AR approach.
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Originally Posted by 500 above
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Why on earth is it a circling approach here anyway? One of the busiest GA airports around, very noise sensitive, not the best approach lighting on RW01. Surely in this day and age at least an RNAV app could be built for 01.
Flew that approach and the circle maybe a dozen times. It's tight in on the best of days. |
I suspect KLGA also enters into the dynamics. Otherwise, and RNP AR could be a feasible solution for Runway 1.
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That whole area is a bit of a beehive with HPN, TEB, LGA, JFK and EWR all within sight of each other.
Departures on 24 out of TEB have a level off at 1500' as you get the heavy iron for EWR overhead. |
Don't know if he overshot the runway center line, but he lost it on the turn to final. Looks like a classic stall/spin. One eyewitness said he saw the aircraft in a 90 degree bank, then saw it roll on its back as it went down.
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Appears to have been a 4-leg day with a 0715 departure which means a wake-up around 0445-0500.
NTSB/FAA will generally request cellphone records to determine periods of inactivity to get an idea of rest opportunity. |
A report on the owners of the aircraft:
The aircraft was being flown by Trans-Pacific Jets, a charter aircraft company based in Honolulu, the jet’s owner said in an interview. Chandra Hanson of Billings, Montana, said she owns the plane with her husband Brad. The Hansons fly on the aircraft, which is based in Salt Lake City, and allow it to be flown for hire when it’s not in use, Hanson said in a telephone interview. The plane was being moved from Philadelphia to Teterboro, according to a person who answered the phone at Trans-Pacific who wouldn’t give his name. Hanson said she and her husband own A&C Big Sky Aviation LLC of Billings, Montana, which is the registered owner of the plane, according to the FAA records Trans-Pacific lists the following addresses on its website: Trans-Pacific Jets Corporate Headquarters 95 Nakolo Pl. Honolulu, HI 96819 Van Nuys Airport Base (VNY) 7415 Hayvenhurst Place, Van Nuys, California 91406 |
Originally Posted by Flight Safety
(Post 9772978)
Don't know if he overshot the runway center line, but he lost it on the turn to final. Looks like a classic stall/spin. One eyewitness said he saw the aircraft in a 90 degree bank, then saw it roll on its back as it went down.
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