TTAF MAX
Aircraft values for corporate jets continue to plummet as a result of supply and demand - too much supply (world wide). This is resulting in higher time airframes available on the pre-owned market at what appear to be very low prices. Good bang for the buck? Maybe or maybe not. Given good maintenance history, what would be the maximum Total Time Airframe ("TTAF") and/or age to consider for any given jet aircraft acquisition, and why? (Engines are not part of this discussion as most are on a MSP of some type.) Some aircraft have unlimited airframes, while others are restricted to TTAF/age, which ever comes first. More specifically, is there a hull TTAF and/or age limition for the Citation X?
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I take it, you're asking because of the few C-X airframes available out there with 14-15K TTAF priced around $2mil?
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A $2 million, 14k hour C-X maybe the most expensive plane ever.
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Simply stated, what is the maximum TTAF/age of any jet aircraft to be considered for acquisition, and why?
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Originally Posted by Soundcheck
(Post 9638032)
Simply stated, what is the maximum TTAF/age of any jet aircraft to be considered for acquisition, and why?
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Originally Posted by Amadis of Gaul
(Post 9638633)
I don't know if this is the sort of question that can be simply answered, regardless of how simply it was stated.
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a relatively low hour Hawker 4000 was recently sold for well under $500,000
Does that give you a clue how expensive an underpriced airframe can be? |
Originally Posted by GlenQuagmire
(Post 9639013)
a relatively low hour Hawker 4000 was recently sold for well under $500,000
Does that give you a clue how expensive an underpriced airframe can be? |
My previous employers used to operate a 6000-hr teenaged C560XL. When it was repainted a couple of years ago they found lots of corrosion, and quite a lot of money is being spent on maintenance.
The owners are quite sensible and are trying to replace it with an XLS+ but it's not really worth very much... At my local airport there are a couple of Rockwell Sabreliners and Lockheed JetStars regularly on the move... There is a HA4T based at my local airfield too and it seems to have frequent technical problems - crew telling ATC they need to taxi back to the ramp to turn everything off and on again, etc. Shame, I quite like the design. |
Originally Posted by Booglebox
(Post 9639280)
At my local airport there are a couple of Rockwell Sabreliners and Lockheed JetStars regularly on the move... |
No, the 4000 needed the block point upgrade and the FAA were not letting it fly without it. But it was low hours and it was an astonishing price!
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Originally Posted by tommoutrie
(Post 9639775)
No, the 4000 needed the block point upgrade and the FAA were not letting it fly without it. But it was low hours and it was an astonishing price!
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Originally Posted by Soundcheck
(Post 9639158)
Mission profile includes KSFO-PHKP. Also quoted, I'm looking for a prize "instead of a pig-in-poke".
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Yes, PHKO. That's what happens while eating Cheetos and typing with thumbs. Just glad my iPad wasn't an FMS ;)
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So, given the Hawker 4000 didn't make the cut, what aircraft will best accomplish the KSFO-PHKO mission for a budget minded (acquisition and DOCs) Buyer? G200 or Challenger 604?
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You'll have to give us a bit more information. Firstly, what exactly does "budget-minded" mean in this case? Secondly, will the whole Kona thing be something the airplane will be doing all the time or only occasionally and, if it's the latter, what will the majority of the flight profile look like? Thirdly, how many people and/or how much stuff will you be carrying? Fourthly, how much flying will you be doing (hours per year)?
Start with that. |
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