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Intrance 28th Feb 2019 19:31

Well, I guess that’s one of the last full featured electronic logs gone down the subscription road.

Don’t update your software significantly for about 3 years or so, then claim development costs for the 20 full time programmers (that you had working on your new company project instead of on mccPilotlog v5) is why you need subscriptions, slap a new logo and company name on your old, old user interface and then compile in 64-bit to use that as selling point as well.

Oh, and your “lifetime” subscription that you paid for? Yeah, that was for mccPilotlog, not Crewlounge Pilotlog. So feel free to use the old version that is bound to stop working because we abondoned it. But good news everybody, you can “grandfather” in your old lifetime subscription for the low low price of a three year subscription for our new pig with lipstick. Suggesting that after three years, we will probably pull the same trick again.

OK, cynical rant over. But this is kinda what I was expecting after so many claims that v5 was coming soon.

josephfeatherweight 1st Mar 2019 00:11

I only purchased the Enterprise Edition two months ago, BASED ON what they said was coming in V5 - if this is all true, I AM EXTREMELY PI$$ED OFF!

oz_faf81 1st Mar 2019 02:34


Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight (Post 10403460)
I only purchased the Enterprise Edition two months ago, BASED ON what they said was coming in V5 - if this is all true, I AM EXTREMELY PI$$ED OFF!

According to their website, you'll get lifetime access to the new software for the price of a year subscription...

Intrance 1st Mar 2019 09:00


Originally Posted by oz_faf81 (Post 10403514)
According to their website, you'll get lifetime access to the new software for the price of a year subscription...

Yeah, awesome. Someone purchases based on the promise of a new update soon and is already out €70. Two months later; "Surprise guys, no update but 'new' software and company. Don't worry though, we got you covered, for the low low price of only €36 your earlier lifetime subscription that you got to use for two months can carry over."

Not exactly customer friendly.

EatMyShorts! 1st Mar 2019 10:49

Well, it might be helpful to contact them directly with all the facts and they might make you a good deal or just grant you a full licence.

ehwatezedoing 2nd Mar 2019 17:51

You are all b!tch!ng about subscriptions or a « rebranding » followed by a fee but seriously, it would be like buying a car and asking its manufacturer to provide maintenance for free as long as you want to keep it.
mccPILOTOG saved me 3 or 4 years ago by being able to transfer my out of date electronic logbbook. If they want to start a subscription l so be it.



My car was built in 2000 by the way

MCDU2 2nd Mar 2019 20:06

https://pilotlog.crewlounge.aero/faq/

EatMyShorts! 2nd Mar 2019 20:35

Hi MCDU2, thanks for pointing this out. Let me quote here:

I paid for mccPILOTLOG, do I have to pay again ?
Your license for mccPILOTLOG remains valid, we keep our word ! You have paid for a lifetime use of mccPILOTLOG, so you can continue to using mccPILOTLOG as long as you want. However, we do no longer update mccPILOTLOG after 2018. The application continues to run “as is”.Please notice that mccPILOTLOG was developed using older programming languages. Like any other software, without maintenance, the application will eventually bounce into problems as the computer operating system is updated, or when the airline crew portal is modified, or when security protocols change.Our team is now focusing on the CrewLounge AERO Suite, a completely new platform created with the latest coding technologies and security protocols. CrewLounge PILOTLOG, as part of the CrewLounge AERO Suite, is the new pilot logbook to replace mccPILOTLOG. CrewLounge PILOTLOG is subscription based, we do no longer offer one-time payments.We strongly encourage all pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG to migrate to and enjoy the new CrewLounge AERO Suite ! We certainly understand that you are reluctant to switching to a subscription plan. We have GOOD news for you : You don’t !Contrary to our competitors, that either ceased to exist, or that canceled all license keys and forced users into a subscription plan, we offer grandfathering rights to all users of mccPILOTLOG ! You can now migrate your lifetime license from mccPILOTLOG to CrewLounge PILOTLOG with a one-time contribution ! Buy 3 years and get Lifetime ! No subscription, no extra charges ! We will also pay the VAT for you !That’s true ! All pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG can now transfer their license to the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG application and be excluded from subscriptions, for lifetime! This offer is limited in time !

As a bonus, you receive a free 1-year license for the popular calendar app CrewLounge CONNECT (value 12.00 EUR) ! And, as an extra bonus, all PRO users (mccPILOTLOG) can now free upgrade to ENT (CrewLounge PILOTLOG) without being charged extra !

So, here is the deal :
  • purchase 3 years of the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG software
  • get 10% immediate discount (online payment)
  • get another 20% discount (EU Pilots – we will pay the VAT for you)
  • transfer your Lifetime license to CrewLounge PILOTLOG (be excluded from subscriptions)
  • switch from PRO to ENT at no extra charges
  • get 1 year free use of CrewLounge CONNECT
This is a temporary offer (Q1&Q2-2019), we hold the right to terminate this offer at any time ! ception for recent purchases : Pilots that purchased mccPILOTLOG in 2019, can upgrade with paying only 1-year subscription to CrewLounge AERO.


MCDU2 3rd Mar 2019 08:28

No problem. I haven't followed through that link to "register" yet to see what the total damage will be. As an enterprise lifetime subscriber it looks like I am going to have to pay them 3 years of something for a "new" lifetime subscription until such time as they devise another product and attempt to migrate everyone across to that. And the companion apps that had a one off charge from the app/play store now look to be subscription based as well which will be an additional cost after the initial "free" year ends that they are giving to existing customers. Like many of my colleagues I use the crew connect app on a daily basis to get a heads up of any roster changes before a call from crew control (so I can have my arguments ready beforehand) and to link these through to my calendar. Not a happy bunny.

Intrance 3rd Mar 2019 08:42

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Originally Posted by ehwatezedoing (Post 10405076)
You are all b!tch!ng about subscriptions or a « rebranding » followed by a fee but seriously, it would be like buying a car and asking its manufacturer to provide maintenance for free as long as you want to keep it.
mccPILOTOG saved me 3 or 4 years ago by being able to transfer my out of date electronic logbbook. If they want to start a subscription l so be it.

My car was built in 2000 by the way

It’s more akin to a car manufacturer selling you a car with a 10 year warranty, packing up business after 5 years and setting up a new company with slightly different name. Then they say, we will honor your warranty if you pay us again.

It is shrugging off responsibility you took on when selling your product a certain way (in this case, “lifetime”). It’s a deceptive way of doing business. What guarantee do they offer me as customer that they will not just take my money and pull the same trick again later?

EatMyShorts! 3rd Mar 2019 10:04

I do not need the CrewConnect functionality, because I do not work for an airline. Basically I could probably stay with mccPilotLog, but who knows when they will stop providing the server to synchronize my data. I currently have the ENTERPRISE edition, but as they state that you only need to have the PRO edition and you will receive a free upgrade to ENTERPRISE on the new system, I assume that it 12 months * EUR 1.99 and the result times 3 = EUR 71.64 . It's not a catastrophe, but it is not nice either. CrewConnect seems to cost 12 EUR per year. While it is not a lot, they still kind of broke their promise for a lifetime subscription. I would have understood had they asked for a couple of Euro after 5 or 10 years.

pilot dude 4th Mar 2019 08:14

It’s 04-03 and the app is not on the AppStore. Not a good start

MCDU2 4th Mar 2019 09:04

I emailed them and am awaiting a reply as from the link in that FAQ they are trying to charge me 113EUR for 3 years. No indication anywhere of the 20% VAT free discount, plus the additional 10% and of course an undertaking that this "3 year" deal is for lifetime given my current ownership of the ENT version. The email to support form is all headed up mccpilotlog, even the automated reply to my email was headed mccsupport. To try and state that its all new etc is utter garbage. They upgraded the software from 32bit to 64bit and made it cross platform. Thats it, no more no less. If I can't get a decent price out of them then I will keep using mccpilot and probably go back to roster buster. When mccpilot stops working will export my logbook to excel and see what else is in the marketplace at that time. I certainly won't be entertaining any sort of cloud/monthly subscription for a pilot logbook.

EatMyShorts! 4th Mar 2019 10:35

@MCDU2, I see it exactly like you. Except I will wait a few more weeks, since the transfer-offer is valid for Q1 and Q2 of 2019. Otherwise I will simply continue with mccPilotLog and that's it.

MCDU2 4th Mar 2019 16:30

Thats the way I see it as well. Let them sweat and see who blinks first. They aren't the only game in town. Had a look at Safelog and its cross platform as well and cheaper than mccpilotlog.

josephfeatherweight 5th Mar 2019 04:19

Yep, not a great product launch at this stage! The download link for the PC version on their website is linked to nothing...

Intrance 5th Mar 2019 06:22


Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight (Post 10407127)
Yep, not a great product launch at this stage! The download link for the PC version on their website is linked to nothing...

No replies on the mccPilotLog Facebook page either when asked about it. Or perhaps they blocked me since the post says it has 9 comments but I only see my own :}.

Parson 5th Mar 2019 06:49

I am (slowly) building my own on Excel. I am a bit of a stato so intend to manipulate it to provide lots of interesting but useless information.....

josephfeatherweight 5th Mar 2019 07:16

From their Facebook page:

The newest version was due for release on 03.03 but we decided to implement a last minute change, causing a couple of days of delay. The team is finishing up with that LMC and we plan to release the new software later this week.

Thank you for your continued support and interest!

josephfeatherweight 6th Mar 2019 08:47

https://pilotlog.crewlounge.aero/download/

Appears that the "grand release" has been delayed until 12th March.


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