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Chronus 21st Apr 2015 18:56

COFFEE UPSET
 
According to news investigation into the "sudden plunge" of Falcon 50 carrying Serbian president, revealed FO spilt coffee onto instrument panel and attempting to clean up the mess accidentaly caused deployment of slats. Seems a tragedy similar to the Falcon 900 over Bucharest in 1999 was avoided.

Tray Surfer 21st Apr 2015 23:40

From now on… I will serve it to the drivers in a tommy tippy cup… :ok:

TheWrongTrousers 22nd Apr 2015 07:27

You joke about tommy tippies, we use the adult versions! I have a mate who had a similar experience in a Challenger, but thankfully didn't deploy anything. He was banned from having hot drinks in the cockpit for 6 months by the P1!

CaptainProp 22nd Apr 2015 11:01

Many moons ago a Dutch crew flipped over a bowl of soup on a Fokker 50... Our CC always serve drinks on the window side of the flight deck seats and we keep all drinks on that side, never on the pedestal.

Lesson learned for these guys...

Chronus 22nd Apr 2015 20:13

I think the point here has been missed. Nothing wrong with spilling a few drops of coffee, it is the way you go about cleaning up the mess that matters. Neverthless it was so fortunate that there was no big bill to clean up a mess in the cabin. Am sure next time it happens the cabin attendant will be summoned.

Mike Echo 23rd Apr 2015 08:25

Apart from the initial sensationalist reporting I will be curious when a final report comes out.
The switch to extend the emergency slats is guarded and would require two separate actions to activate. Although this is a very early Falcon 50 it probably has the same system. I would bet the slats may have some damage as well.

FrankR 23rd Apr 2015 10:01

I call :mad:... I also read that one engine flamed out. Is the "flame out sw" next to the emer slat sw?

this guy just didn't want to go to church is my bet

JammedStab 23rd Apr 2015 16:40

Cleaning coffee spill creates aircraft upset
 
Apparently the Daily Mail is a media outlet that exaggerates stories a bit but there could be an element of a story in this.

Jet carrying Serbian president Tomislav Nikolic dives after co-pilot spills coffee | Daily Mail Online

Basil 23rd Apr 2015 18:11


accidentally activated the 'emergency slat' button
Oops!
Above slat limit speed - one doesn't extend/deforms/comes off - other doesn't.
I made that up but . .

Wenwe were pirates drinks were never passed over the centre pedestal.

freespeed2 23rd Apr 2015 22:54


...when the plane - a 34-year-old French-built Falcon 50 - began tumbling through the air on Friday.
Ah the Daily Mail; never one for the sensational.

Investigated by the Serbian Civil Aviation Directorate in 4 days, the co-pilot is publicly named and shamed and then had his license temporarily suspended. They must have misplaced their copy of Annex 13 or anything that mentions 'just culture'.

Steve Zissou 23rd Apr 2015 23:14

There's a lot to be said about drinking decaf ...

Spotlight 24th Apr 2015 01:56

Does anyone recall a Greek Government Minister killed in a light Jet?

From memory the copilot attempted to reduce the rate of descent using the control column, with the autopilot engaged! The Arthur Q logic didn't like this and violent oscillations in pitch followed. The passengers were flung around the cabin.

SilentCloud 24th Apr 2015 03:15

Suzanne Pleshette
 
Maybe somebody was watching "Fate is the Hunter", where a coffee spill triggered a false engine fire alarm, leading to the shutdown of a good engine. Not good when the other engine had just failed for real.

deefer dog 24th Apr 2015 04:30

A listen to the CVR would be interesting. Especially the part where they figure out what excuse to use.


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