Another Premier 1 down Dec 17 2013
 

2 dead in plane crash in NW Atlanta | www.wsbtv.com

N50PM Premier 1 departing Fulton County Airport, Georgia crashed for unknown reasons - 2 crew on board fatal.

N50PM ? FlightAware

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Premier's accident rate rivals the F-16's.

GF

I listened to the atc tape, on departure the crew reported to ATC they had 'a problem' and were returning. ATC offered emergency equipment which the crew declined. Aircraft was about two miles out on approach to runway 26 making a final right turn when it went down.

A witness who video taped the fire stated the aircraft looked like it was coming right into her house but turned at the last moment impacting the ground in a fireball.

Oh no!!!, read this accident report from the owner/pilot of N50PM when he wrote off his King Air B200 when it ran out of fuel at flight level 33!!!

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I read the KA accident report. No fuel uplifted usually means no fuel bill to pay. That would be my first clue.

Irrespective of everything else, sad to have 2 people pass away.

RIP.

Well, the fireball indicates fuel quantity wasn't the problem.

GF

if you are rich enough to have a jet

you are rich enough to hire professional PILOTS to fly you around

If only that were true.

This industry is littered with idiots who thought they were rich enough to afford a private jet. I even got sent on a type rating once only to find on my return that the aforementioned IDIOT couldn't afford to buy the jet after all.:ugh:

The idiot still owes me £thousands in unpaid wages too!

Didn't that Berlin, Germania, based company Windrose Air ( WINDROSE AIR Jetcharter GmbH. The company - benefits - exclusive business or private flights ) crash a Premier 1 down in Samedan, Switzerland a couple of years ago?

I'm totally unrelated to that operation, yet I would like to point out that it was not crashed by the company. The report concludes

"The following causal factors have been identified for the accident:
- The crew continued the approach under weather conditions that no longer permitted safe control of the aircraft.
- The crew performed a risky manoeuvre close to ground instead of a consistent missed approach procedure. "

I very much doubt that the company you named instructs it's pilots to fly in the described manner.

Flugunfall 19 DEC 2010 einer Hawker Beechcraft 390 Premier IA D-IAYL - St. Moritz-Samedan Airport (SMV)

And if they were the main causes of the accident, it doesn't matter much what aircraft they were flying. Hard to blame that one on the RA390.

meldex


self important...thanks. I guess I've been around the pattern ( or circuit in your parlance ) too many times and some things just smell a certain way.

self important...yes, I am.

and you, what are you?

meldex, you just judged me.


not cricket of you old boy.

how many planes have you seen, in person, crash? or the smoke come up from a crash? or helped pull someone out of a plane that has banged up so badly as couldn't move anymore?

hmmmm


I"ve seen three crash and you?

OMG. Flarepilot.

I think I have just had a fibro-mialgiasm thanks to your awesomeness.
:ooh:

I've finally figured out pprune.

the people on it, for the most part, really don't have too much experience in aviation.

there are exceptions of course.

Care to share with us peons of aviation your vast experience that allows you to judge in the near complete absence of facts? Nothing notable in your profile, flarepilot, other than you are from Chicago.

GF

dear gf


if i put down the truth, you would write that it wasn't true

so, why bother?

but when you have seen enough, you come to your own conclusions...and in a year when the NTSB comes out with a report, you can write to me then.

and you probably don't believe I have seen three planes crash...oh well...

Flarepilot

Think I've got it - you're an airport fireman, right?

I fail to see where watching planes crash provides any special ability to discern causes without factual evidence. WRT this accident almost no factual information has been presented, but you claim to know the cause. Just post some facts so we might judge your creditentials to reach such rapid conclusions.

GF