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skyrambler 21st May 2013 12:58

Best paid business jet job
 
Hi Gents, I just got an option to get a job in business aviation. Company has a few types. Just wondering what is a best paid aircraft type.:cool:

Yeager 21st May 2013 14:02

BBJ, ACJ, G650. G550/BD700, F7X then downwards.

Good luck and welcome to one of the more fun parts of the aviation industry! :p

LGW Vulture 21st May 2013 16:01

Best paid business jet job? Brokering. :E

FrankR 21st May 2013 16:22

I'd say that the guy buying the jet is the best paid

FR

mutt 21st May 2013 16:55

Sorry FrankR but i have to disagree with you as they have to finance the office costs and hopefully get enough sales on a consistent basis. How many times has a broker spent time and effort dealing with a client only to see the whole deal fall apart at the end :(

Best paid job is the one where the passengers tip like crazy :)

Mutt

falconer1 21st May 2013 18:25

skyrambler....
 
if THAT question ist the most important to you...

stay out of aviation....EVERY part of aviation....

we've already got more than enough clowns like that in the corp sector and by the way of their nature, they are in the process of destroying it completely...

Mizuno boy 21st May 2013 18:38

I would prefer the question to be best business jet job, ie. the whole package. Wages, time off, health dental, retirement plans, not pressured to perform unsafe practices, respect from owners/company for us as professionals.
Best paying does not necessarily equal best job.

Cheers
MB

cldrvr 21st May 2013 18:41


I would prefer the question to be best business jet job, ie. the whole
package. Wages, time off, health dental, retirement plans, not pressured to
perform unsafe practices, respect from owners/company for us as
professionals
Just show me the money, the rest are frills.

skyrambler 21st May 2013 19:06

There are so many B737, Airbus guys around. Why they are the best paid?:}

cldrvr 21st May 2013 19:48

LoCo and pay to fly 73 drivers are a dime a dozen, that's why the likes of eJ and FR only need to pay peanuts to find them monkeys. BBJ drivers is a different ballgame all together.

PURPLE PITOT 21st May 2013 21:15

It's all about VVIP long haul experience. The loco monkeys can't hack it.

tommoutrie 21st May 2013 22:18

Global Vision and 650 pilots are probably close to the top of the league right now so just tell them that you want to fly that. Sounds a bit too good to be true, choosing which type to break into business jets.. Salaries vary enormously from company to company because who you fly, where you fly, what your roster is, what else you can do, all that stuff goes into the equation. There's no fixed salaries in business aviation. None of us are paid to fly business jets at all - we all do that bit for free. Its all the waiting around and fannying about that we charge for...

B200Drvr 22nd May 2013 01:45

BBJ and ACJ are not as high as GLEX or G650/550. Also depends on region.

Left Coaster 22nd May 2013 03:57

Have to agree with Mizuno Boy and Mutt! The package plus the "envelopes" make it all worth while! Although type is also up there...range and comfort is important!
(hey MB...who ya picking? Sens? Pens? Wings? My three long shots...)

Mizuno boy 22nd May 2013 11:34

LC

Sharks, we lost to the evntual winner last 3 years may as well make it 4.

Cheers
MB

ra4000 22nd May 2013 12:02

@skyrambler
my old job was the best paid.300k a years,home every night,was cargo,
flying c-172 from Bahamas to Florida carrying the finest product
Made in Colombia and reading about your dilemma i will said
that you were one of my costumer

First.officer 22nd May 2013 14:03


Carrying the finest product made in Colombia
Ah, that would be coffee grains no doubt then, ra4000? :E

Left Coaster 22nd May 2013 15:31

MB
 
Sharks is a good choice....keeps a good buddy flying all through the playoffs! Although he's already got a prime job with some rich dude from the US! Two jobs is better than one for some is guess! Enjoy the impending celebrations...:rolleyes:
Sorry about the thread creep people...

Chicken Leg 22nd May 2013 15:39


if THAT question ist the most important to you...

stay out of aviation....EVERY part of aviation....

we've already got more than enough clowns like that in the corp sector and by the way of their nature, they are in the process of destroying it completely...
Get off your high horse Falconer. Many of us go to work to earn a living. It helps if you enjoy your job, but at the end of the day, it's about putting food on the table.

I could argue that it's people who aren't interested in the pay that are ruining the industry. Those that will accept whatever T's&C's are offered, just so that they can call themselves a pilot.

Although the original question does appear naive, I don't have any problem with someone wanting to put a good pay packet at the top of their requirements.

BBJ-Captain 22nd May 2013 18:05

It would seem GV+ jobs pay the best. BBJ and ACJ coming in close behind.
The reason there are so many Boeing drivers around is because there are so many Boeings!
The reason that there are so few jobs on BBJs is because there aren't actually that many BBJs, and those that have a job on a true VIP BBJ tend to hang on to their positions for a while, and it is a very small community.
There is a big difference between VIP BBJ, and corporate Boeing business jets.

To be given an 'in' to the private jet world on any of a companies operating type is unheard of. Friends in high places you must have!

Good luck.

tommoutrie 22nd May 2013 18:37

He's gone all yoda!

Teldorserious 22nd May 2013 18:47

The money is in managing the sheetmetal not flying them. Guys that just gotta sit in a seat can make more money by chasing big type ratings and go wherever a job is. Have fun. The most highly paid airline or corporate pilot spending two weeks out his life living in hotels is NOT banging his wife, doing hobbies, spending times with kids, ect ect.

Personally I would laugh at someone telling me that I should make less money for flying a Falcon 900 vs a G550 because that would only elicit this response...'so buy a G550...oh, you can't afford it? Is that it? So what your telling me is that when you have the stones to afford that plane, then magically my flying skills and experience magically instantaneously equate to your new revised bottom line. I see, so what you are saying is that if I can find a Saudi Prince to send me to school for 2 week on the next hottest aircraft, then all of a sudden I am worth more money? It has nothing to do with my 20 years in this skill set. Ok, I get it. Yeah, ok. "

gbruton 23rd May 2013 00:01

Exactly!

My father in law fly's a G200 and makes as much if not more then a G550/650 pilot. He is not fully retired yet but I joke with him that it sure seems like he is. Fly's for a private owners and I would say 75% of the trips are for vacation. Week in cabo here, Week in Hawaii to check on property, Skiing in Utah. Total flying time last year was less then 170hrs.

Why does he get paid so well.
1.He treats the owners wallet like it's his own.
2.Makes sure they are getting the BEST prices. Looks for the best deals ON everything Fuel, Maintenance etc...
3.Has a great personality.
4.And most of all the experience. He flew for the air force and then commercial Captain on 757,767 and has over 28,000+ hours.

The owners even told him when he official retires they want him to stay on to over look the flight dept. because they trust him so much. (they have two other planes)

YOU CREATE YOUR OWN VALUE. A plane model does not.

FrankR 23rd May 2013 02:00

Mutt,

FYI, the guy who BUYS the jet is called the BUYER or OWNER. The guy who lists and sells them is called a broker....

And "managing" jets and flight departments is a job for suckers... Sure, you get paid better than the line captains, but you pay a huge price, with owners, service providers, and crew members all calling you at all hours day and night.

Enjoy your life, and look for a job flying from one vacation to another, or find a "job" that pays real money.

FR

Left Coaster 23rd May 2013 04:05

Technically...(and this is from Boeing Business Jets) any "non airline" configured Boeing is a BBJ. So those VIP/VVIP/corporate interiors on the B744 B777 and obviously the 737 variants etc make them "BBJ's". That's how Boeing sells em, and that's how they are marketed...just sayin' !

Teldorserious 23rd May 2013 14:40

FrankR, your response belies someone that doesn't have the skill set to aspire to more then flying back and forth. Like you said the Aviation Manager makes more money, and yep, he has to deal with the people, but you know what.....He gets to bang his wife every night while you make knuckle babies to cable porn in the hotel room for week. He gets to do his hobbies, on his own schedule, gets to see his kids grow up and usually gets to cherry pick the flights he wants to take, giving you the crap ones. An most importantly? He tells you what to do. He is your boss. If you gotta anniverary that you have been waiting for, Xmas with the kids....YOU get that flight, that's right...meanwhile he's trimming the tree and chasing his wife around the house that night.

Yeager 23rd May 2013 15:10

Teldoorseriously,

You'r on fire mate - a cracker. You obviously don't know what your "wify" fancies for a shag - a real shag. If you think a pimp in a grey suit, driving a company leased car - with the tact you have - is the way of the world - you'r obviously not the one catching the ball. Why don't you go and count a few more of the peanuts and tell you wife how great you are ( obviously she would already know that!) - does she even listen to your boring tales from the office chair, about how you been licking somebodies b@lls to keep you desk job?? :ok:
Now, while you download your next Flight simulator single engine turbo prob. aircraft - have a good long think about that bru'. :oh: :ok:

You'r a a cracker - a funny bunny one :p

FrankR 23rd May 2013 15:10

Hey there Teldorserious,

You're right on a few points here. When you're the boss you make the rules, but when you take all the good trips, the pilots quickly resent you, and then you end up having beers with guys who you know can't stand you.

As for being gone vs being home with the wife and kids, you should figure that one out before you take your CPL checkride. If you want to be home every night and manage people and gin up budgets, buy a pizza pub.

I've spent plenty of years in management and around managers. Partly, we all should take a turn, but in my view, 70% of the time it's pilots who are burned out or with weak flying and people skills who gravitate to the office jobs.

Nope, a reasonable schedule and a blackberry that only goes off when a flight plan and hotac info shows up is what it's about if you are a professional pilot. Aviation managers are neither pilots or managers, just frustrated and burned out little men hiding in an office along with the angry old flight attendants.

FR

Teldorserious 24th May 2013 21:54

Frankr -

If someone gave me a free type, a six figure job, and told me that it was me or him that had to take the Xmas trip, I would volunteer for the flight rather then resent that fact that he didn't take the bullet.

And like you said, if you would rather go flying, or rather stay home, then that can be worked out with the other pilots. A good dept manager would probably give that flight to the single guys that would otherwise be depressed sitting around on Xmas alone watching TV. I don't see any resentment other then what you manufactured.

Chicken Leg 24th May 2013 22:09


A good dept manager would probably give that flight to the single guys that would otherwise be depressed sitting around on Xmas alone watching TV
A good dept manager wouldn't be so stupid as to think single guys necessarily sit around watching TV at Xmas in a depressed stae. What caricature of a world do you live in?

Booglebox 25th May 2013 10:37

This thread =

Yeager 25th May 2013 15:15

Chicken leg,

Well spotted young man :ok:

Very right indeed, you are. The opinion stated by this self pronounced hero to flight management is obviously, not aware how he's disliked by his flight simulator buddies! ;-)

Cheers,

Teldorserious 25th May 2013 17:05

Yeager -

I think your picture of a flight department is out of movie where a bunch of white scarfed aviatiors are sitting around the hanger slapping each other on the back after regailing each other of their daring after battling the forces of evil that day.

You need to hit stop on those old World War I movies, and head out to the airport and talk to the guys that do this for a living.


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