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Pace 23rd Apr 2012 07:16

Bose

I suffer with a condition kniown as FidgyChondria which means I can only study for a period of 10 minutes before rushing off to do something more exciting.
I have to be literally strapped down and sedated to last longer especially when the subject material lacks any motivation for me :)

But yes if its not looking good after the June meeting I will reconsider.
On principal that is hard as I do think we are all pilots and at some point all this willy waving and protectionism has to come to an end with a worldwide acceptance and standard on FCL so that pilots can be free to work wherever.

Having to get licences which have NO relevance to the aircraft flown is madness

Pace

S-Works 23rd Apr 2012 09:07


Having to get licences which have NO relevance to the aircraft flown is madness
The thing is I agree with you totally. The difference between you and I is that I am pragmatic enough to understand the politics of envy.

But I did tell you nearly 5 years ago this was coming. I was told it by the people who are forcing it through and I was told to my face that they would get there way. You can't push against that sort of determination.

Unfortunately with politics people will pay you you lip service and do exactly what they want behind your back. This is just another example I think.

However as I have said many times before I am happy to be proven wrong.

Pace 23rd Apr 2012 17:26

Bose

I do not disagree with your warnings 5 years ago :{

One thing I am sure of is that what we have on the plate now will not be what we have on the plate by 2014.
Reasons for that?

One my contact on the EASA negotiating team advices me to do nothing re licence conversion. If he was not hopeful he would say do the exams.

The FAA are putting Big names into negotiations in June and both sides are active in adding a FCL Bi Lateral to the existing Bi lateral signed up months back.

What will that Bi Lateral Be? I am equally sure it will NOT be give me your licence here is mine ;(

Should all that hit a brick wall EASA are still faced with Laws which they know are flawed (fact)and will not take testing in the EC courts.

If they still want the existing to work they will have to make some pretty big allowances or scrap the whole dual licencing thing.

The sad fact is that EASA had a chance of bringing both systems much closer than they are now but inisted on clinging onto a complex and expensive way.
They could have copied the FAA system with a few changes and saved the tax payers a fortune but instead have regulated to strangle the industry.
There is No evidence that Pilots trained in Europe are any better than those trained under the FAA system so why?
Partly the eastern influence of control and wanting people to fly in people carriers not GA. That part AOC OPS have missed EASA are not their friend either.

But lets give them the benefit of the doubt and see if they really are true to their word before part 2 the courts! I assure you that is on the cards too:E

Pace

S-Works 23rd Apr 2012 18:20

Like I said, lip service. Neither do I think that anything will be won in the courts.

But we shall see.

Thomascl605 24th Apr 2012 01:30

If I could offer my advice then I would say to stop panicking. For those already employed as pilots flying on non easa licences in Europe then I am reliably informed (by our national CAA) that we can keep flying.

dizzen 25th Apr 2012 16:12

Operator base
 
Sorry to come back to this thread, but - if I read this well - this impliments that if an operator, be it an AOC or private enterprise or even person, would be not EU based, the crew does not have to carry an EASA license?

peterh337 29th Apr 2012 10:50


Sorry to come back to this thread, but - if I read this well - this impliments that if an operator, be it an AOC or private enterprise or even person, would be not EU based, the crew does not have to carry an EASA license?
Yes.

IOM based operators should be OK, IMHO.

It is a reasonable assumption IMHO that in the simple case of the owner flying himself, he is the operator, and in this case an M-reg won't help unless he actually lives on the IOM.

And I remember the FAA, back in the 1980's and 90's trying to "force" N-reg owners to have the aircraft spend maximum 6 months outside of the USA! The FAA wanted that, not the European's. Who knows, perhaps it hit the books yet has been overlooked all these years.
Do you have a reference for that?

The 6 months still applies but only to aircraft owned by some specific corporate structure. This is almost never used for European ops.

You are forgetting that the majority of light aviation around the world is N-reg :) Europe is just a little spot on the globe. The FAA system dominates, with its pilot licensing, aircraft certification, etc.

What is the EASA definition of your base?
There isn't one, and it doesn't look like one is coming, either, according to my enquiries. The law is now on the books, and you are stuck with the useless wording. It will be for the national CAAs to implement this (or ignore it) as they see fit.


The N reg arn't allowed to be owned by someone thats not resident in the US
False.

It needs to be owned by a US citizen or green card holder, or by a company which is 75%+ US shareholder owned.

Where the American individual(s) reside is irrelevant.

Many US citizens live in Europe and elsewhere and own N-regs directly, without a trust.


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