"VistaJet aircraft have an average age of 3 years and are covered under manufactures' warranty, meaning they perform better, faster and more efficiently"

Better (?), Faster(???) and more efficiently (????) because they are covered by a warranty - quite a few big leaps there old boy.

Oh and redtree from an article in the FT in 2010 How many are there in the fleet at the moment?

31 registered under the VJ brand as far as I can see.....

CP

This company is full of bull****! They promise you the world, but in the end you have nothing! I can tell based on my own experience

Redtree wrote:
"Regarding your other comments, let me assure you that VistaJet continues to go from strength to strength. Their increasing market share and presence in the Global marketplace, reinforces this. NetJets might furnish the US and European markets, but beyond these contintents; they're absent. VistaJet is everywhere."

Most of the time without an AOC to operate in those countries!!

I have several pals working there now. So on the basis of my beer fuelled discussions with them, I understand the following.

They really don't but they do work very hard to keep costs low. All fairly normal business practices really and the crews by in large are really fantastic people. One or two are merely really nice :). The problems that crew experience day to day, I imagine are not much different to anyone else.

Ryanair charge you for your interview, accommodation, type rating, line training (because they don't pay you), uniform, coffee and they put you under pressure to keep fuel as low as possible to save money which results in a fair number of fuel emergencies (relatively). They treat the pilots like cattle and have little respect between departments (I believe) and generally make the working conditions kind of rubbish. They never seem to base you where you actually WANT to be and make no effort to put you there. They pay quite well once you are flying regularly on the line, you're a contractor as well, so that job isn't secure.

Vistajet do none of that although some pilots are contractors so that they can be tax efficient. All of this is a matter of public record and there's nothing new.

B200Drvr, noone is listening.

Redtree - what is this, some sort of sales pitch?

Could not agree with Phil Brockwell anymore...

"VistaJet aircraft have an average age of 3 years and are covered under manufactures' warranty, meaning they perform better, faster and more efficiently." :yuk:

The company seems to have a massive chip on their shoulder and this kind of reply demonstrates just that… utter rubbish. :D

No chip on my shoulder. except maybe the fact that Vistajet(along with others Austrian companies) are dragging the market down for crew. Paying peanuts and asking for hard work.

Why not let a bit of that luxury and premium filter down a bit to the crew?

Salary, perdiem, etc. are a joke, a sad joke

So what in your opinion is the right salary?

Boabity,

I disagree, people have been listening, watch and see!!

The industry standard for per diem is 100 -150 USD or 100 Euro per day.

Redtree.

Do I really need to name the countries? Are you just playing ignorant, or do you really believe that they operate everywhere in accordance to the requirements of the countries they operate in and out of!!

Well for sure places like Nigeria will impound the aircraft if you are not playing by the rules and Russia, you can pay to avoid the cabotage issue as I understand.

There are many ways to do business, some are conservative and some close to the line but I can't believe they are flaunting the regulations everywhere as it just wouldn't be tolerated by the local operators and authorities.

D and F:8

Well said Booglebox :ok:

I think Booglebox is just a bit bitter as he didn't get a job there... ;)

OB

Surely not Opsbeatch

Guys, you can say how Vista sucks, you can say that 100 euro is minimum per diem (not true, almost all EU operators paying 50-80 Euro), you can say that they treating crews like a ****. This will change nothing.

It's their business, and for me it looks like very successful business model, which are working. And philosophy "Accept our rules or go to another company" is absolutely normal for such operators, I underline – absolutely.

Russians like to say – "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence", it's absolutely true. Each pilot, flight attendant will think that competitor is better, paying more and kissing crew's ass. It's not true. There drawbacks everywhere.

I have experience flying privately on one small company, which was asking to go max duty and was delaying salary for almost 2 months. In addition to that my roster was kind of 60 on / 15 off. After that Vista is looking absolutely good compare to what I have – salary paid on time, schedule works fine, new airplanes, interesting destinations.

So, my conclusion – sometimes you need to value what you have for the moment.

If you think that management sucks, everything sucks – go and open your own company, after you can do what you want, pay how you want e.t.c.

Happy landing!

Too much wodka, mate! Slow down...

Definitely WAY TOO MUCH wodka...:}

PZ :E

For sure is not 85000 Euro for a GLEX captain and 30 Euro perdiem.

Let's about double them and we might start to talk.