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FlyTig 18th May 2011 16:54

Crash Landing after take-off at Bournemouth
 
American registered executive twin lands on golf course BBC News - Men's 'lucky escape' from Dorset light aircraft crash

jxc 18th May 2011 18:53

Ah The ole Pancaking technique :D

Well done to them hope they are ok

Spunky Monkey 18th May 2011 19:19

I seem to remember the phrase from an old US WWII movie, where the pilot (someone famous) was going to pancake the aircraft. Finished with the Immortal words - "Pancake, Pancake, Pancake..."
I wonder who will pick up the Green Fees?

transilvana 18th May 2011 20:19

"clear to the right, no golf players around", "nice landing sir", I won´t take the ugly one.

Beautiful landing, I remember one similar in Malaga years ago with a B200, wheels up landing and plane was flying again 3 days later. Independly of aircraft problems it looks a very good landing, congratulations, you know a good landing is the one you can leave the aircraft walking.

Sir George Cayley 18th May 2011 20:43

CEGA ex Bournemouth. Have a look at today's NOTAMs

SGC

Dawdler 18th May 2011 22:07

There is a very similar thread here:
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...urnemouth.html

Newforest2 19th May 2011 06:31

Best use for golf courses!;)

HS-125 19th May 2011 14:21

Rumor has it the aircraft had a burst tyre ...

He had a hole in one.

supertech 19th May 2011 17:49

I wonder who does/ did the maintenance on this E90???:ooh:

421 19th May 2011 21:46

I doubt the maintenace is an issue. If you look at the other thread there was a NOTAM put out that stated get fuel from Shell only. All Jet A1 aircraft were grounded. That suggests a fuel contamination problem more than anything.

eyeinthesky 21st May 2011 06:48

Forced landing shortly after departure at about the place a Propellor RPM reduction may be initiated as aircraft passes a certain height AGL. The Condition Levers are very close to the Prop Levers, and once they are cut there's no going back! :hmm:

Picture indicates that the engines were not producing power at the time of impact (props bent towards rear).

drag king 21st May 2011 07:29


Forced landing shortly after departure at about the place a Propellor RPM reduction may be initiated as aircraft passes a certain height AGL. The Condition Levers are very close to the Prop Levers, and once they are cut there's no going back!
Case solved then. Everybody back to work...:hmm:

DK :mad:

youngskywalker 21st May 2011 07:49

The condition levers have to be pulled right back through a gate in the King Air to stop those PT6's, if memory serves me correct. I would be surprised if a Pilot accidently closed them rather than reduce the prop' rpm. Prop rpm reduction after take off is from a very small movement of the levers, if any, some operators dont reduce until top of climb.

His dudeness 21st May 2011 08:43

...and coming back on the RPM´s means Torques rising, something you'd wanna watch closely to make sure not to go over that redline...

But then, **** just happens...

toolowtoofast 21st May 2011 09:26


Originally Posted by eyeinthesky (Post 6464222)
Forced landing shortly after departure at about the place a Propellor RPM reduction may be initiated as aircraft passes a certain height AGL. The Condition Levers are very close to the Prop Levers, and once they are cut there's no going back! :hmm:

Picture indicates that the engines were not producing power at the time of impact (props bent towards rear).

when the PT6 stops producing power, the props will eventually feather. all that picture tells us is that the props have been in fine pitch when they have struck. there is no real way of telling what the engines were doing as unless the props were intentionally feathered, a windmilling PT6 prop left in fine pitch will produce enough governor oil pressure for a period of time to keep the props in fine pitch. once the rear of the engine stops supplying oil to the governor, they will eventually feather, however i have shut down, waited 5 minutes, and restarted a PT6 without the prop going to feather.

eyeinthesky 21st May 2011 10:17

Hold on a second.

At no point have I suggested that retarding the wrong levers was the cause. All I observed was that the forced landing occured close to a point in flight where manipulation of the levers is not uncommon and that the action of closing the wrong levers is irreversible. In some (Kingair) aircraft it is unnervingly easy to skip the condition levers past the small notch (gate) on the quadrant.

WRT the autofeathering issue the same would also be true in the case of engine failure due to another cause.

Why does my observation come in for such a flaming when other people seem so ready to accept broad statements about maintenance or fuel issues possibly being a cause? :mad:

youngskywalker 21st May 2011 11:44

I don't think anybody has flamed you at all. I certainly didnt.

His dudeness 21st May 2011 17:55

Me neither.

And is:


I wonder who does/ did the maintenance on this E90???
a 'broad statement' ? If so, who accepted it ?

421 didn´t, he said:


I doubt the maintenace is an issue. If you look at the other thread there was a NOTAM put out that stated get fuel from Shell only. All Jet A1 aircraft were grounded. That suggests a fuel contamination problem more than anything.
So that were the 2 statements with mx or fuel.... I´d suggest you´d get a thicker skin mate...


BTW, I´ve nether found it easy to get past that detent (4000+hrs in KA´s)

TeeS 23rd May 2011 02:55

Slightly pedantic/drunk/bored head on but has there ever been a 'crash landing before take-off'? :)

TeeS

Pilotech 26th May 2011 17:11

TeeS, I think it is possible...

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